Psystar Demos 'Open Computer' on Video

[madmax_2069]

Sorry but i see this as a somewhat of a good thing and also a bad thing. but what was Apple saying to us before they replaced the PPC Macs with Intel Macs ?

that they would be cheaper right. i haven't really seen them being cheaper, all in all they are more expensive then the PPC Macs they replaced. even the intel mini is more then the PPC mini, even when they first switched. not to mention you still have to buy a monitor and other things before you can even use it, which not the mini would almost cost above 1k.

and why would it make a unstable OS if its not on Apples Hardware ?? just cause its not on Apples hardware ?

 

[Yvan256]

Bull Twaddle. You can't prove that.

Owned PC's for 15 years, never upgraded much more than memory. Some do, but I venture that most don't.

You can't prove that either.

I've been using computers for over 25 years, me and my friends have always done incremental upgrades on our computers. And judging by all the people I know and all the people asking for a "low-cost Mac mini tower" in Mac-related forums (such as MacRumors), I'd say that a lot of us want exactly that.

Some don't, but I venture that most do. 🙄

😉

 

[irun5k]

why don't people just buy a mac?

Amen. If you can't afford one, but don't like or want Windows, go get a Dell preloaded with Ubuntu. Otherwise, just stick with your white box and whatever flavor of Windows you fancy.

 

[robert05au]

If apple where to buy this guy out then they would screw the Pystar guys right properly.

That would at least save the legal way.

I can see in future apple possibly making changes to lock OS X to either the mac hardware in some way or adding a serial similar to OS X server.

The fun has yet to really begin.

 

[quantumbits]

Go Psystar!

While I like OS X, Mac hardware leaves something to be desired. I find it overpriced, unreliable and often times underwhelming. My Crapbook has been nothing but a series of hardware headaches.

I don't mind if my company drops coin on a Mac, but for personal use I'm switching to a Lenovo at the next opportunity. I'll give Hackintosh first dibs on it, but I won't have any qualms about switching to Ubuntu.

Its a shame that Apple refuses to untether OS X from the Mac.

 

[Marx55]

Apple, please, allow Mac OS X to run on any PC-box there and Windows will be history in three years. That easy! After all, Apple can offer better design and extra value as on the iPods and iPhone. It is not just that Apple will make more money: it will make much more money taking 99% of the market share for operating systems in a few years!

 

[inkswamp]

Exactly. Thats why you buy Mac - zero problems.

Clearly you didn't pick up on the sarcasm. I've owned half-a-dozen Macs in the last 15 years. All have had hardware and/or software problems.

Personally, I think it is a sad indictment of the world we live in that people think it is okay to lie, cheat, and steal as long as the entity they are lying to, cheating on, or stealing from is not able to enforce sanctions against them.

Oh boo-freakin'-hoo. Many people, myself included, would buy a mid-range tower from Apple if they made one. Hell, I've even gone on record here in this very forum saying I would pay the Apple premium for it. I'd prefer to do it the legitimate way, but I cannot if Apple refuses to pull their heads out of their arses and put out the machine that everyone on the planet seems to realize is their next logical move (save for a few fanboys/apologists who denounce such a thing now but will fall madly in love with the mid-range tower the day Apple puts one out)

It's like someone saying,"Hey, it's not cheating if my wife never finds out!" Uh, yeah, it's still cheating you lying bastard.

Wow, overly dramatic much? What sort of sad life must one live before finding a freakin' software EULA as personal and meaningful as their marriage?

When you install Mac OS X, and the licensing agreement comes up, and you click "Agree", you have a pretty damned clear idea of what it is you are agreeing to, and pretending otherwise is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.

Guess what? It's not against the law to break the terms of a EULA where copyright is not infringed. Go look into it. The EULA is legally in place to protect the work from being pirated and illegally distributed. The rest of the EULA terms that don't pertain to copyright is generally considered unenforceable and not necessarily legally binding to the end user. If I install a legally purchased copy of Leopard on non-Apple equipment, I've done nothing illegal. Why do you think Apple hasn't gone after OSX86? Why do you think Apple isn't doing to that site what they did to Think Secret? It's because they can't.

 

[queshy]

pretty neat...maybe we'll see these machines popping up at BB soon...not. lol

 

[Matek]

Its a shame that Apple refuses to untether OS X from the Mac.

No, it's not. It's a perfectly sensible business move, it's all about the money.

People buy Macs because of OS X. Sure they're pretty and everything, but I'm sure you agree a lot of people would buy cheaper machines instead of Macs, if they could run OS X on them. Which means Apple would lose a lot of hardware sales.

After that, OS X would become worse. It is stable and secure because you can only run it on a limited number of configurations. It's much easier for Apple to write software, they know exactly what to expect. If they had to support a large amount of hardware, they would have the same trouble as Microsoft.

Also, OS X would gain popularity and become a bigger target for hackers, which would, once again, ruin everyone's experience and make OS X less attractive for purchase.

Which in the end means Apple would sell less hardware AND probably end up with an OS that has less advantages than it used to have.

Closed platforms are their thing on basically everything they sell. Don't expect that to change.

 

[HLdan]

Sorry but i see this as a somewhat of a good thing and also a bad thing. but what was Apple saying to us before they replaced the PPC Macs with Intel Macs ?

that they would be cheaper right. i haven't really seen them being cheaper, all in all they are more expensive then the PPC Macs they replaced. even the intel mini is more then the PPC mini, even when they first switched. not to mention you still have to buy a monitor and other things before you can even use it, which not the mini would almost cost above 1k.

and why would it make a unstable OS if its not on Apples Hardware ?? just cause its not on Apples hardware ?

Can you point to where Apple actually stated the Intel Macs were going to be cheaper, I've never once heard Steve Jobs say that.
When Steve announced that Apple was switching to Intel he said, "We want to make the best computers for our customers from here on". I certainly don't recall him saying the prices would be cheaper.

From the looks of your sig bro, I think it's time for a serious Mac upgrade. What beige G3 AIO was there ever?

 

[subsonix]

Most macs or atleast the mac pro´s have top of the line technology in them and that is reflected on the price. Go out and buy two xeon 5400 and you´ll realise it´s a good deal actually.

The specs of this hack computer seems to be closer to a mac mini. I hate it.

 

[madmax_2069]

Can you point to where Apple actually stated the Intel Macs were going to be cheaper, I've never once heard Steve Jobs say that.
When Steve announced that Apple was switching to Intel he said, "We want to make the best computers for our customers from here on". I certainly don't recall him saying the prices would be cheaper.

From the looks of your sig bro, I think it's time for a serious Mac upgrade. What beige G3 AIO was there ever?

its my sig i need to upgrade nothing else. and there is nothing wrong in having a old Mac. that Beige G3 AIO was my first Mac and its staying as is. BTW i am not buying a intel Mac cause they are to over priced. yes i like Mac but that dont mean i have to buy every new piece of hardware they produce.

i have a Performa 475 fully upgraded, 2 Beige G3 AIOs 1 upgraded 1 stock, DA G4 533 stock , and a HP P4 2.8ghz.

and if you want me to upgrade that bad to a newer Mac then give me the money to do it. if not then leave my Macs alone and find someone else to harp on.

well for one the Intel hardware Apple is using is in every other PC out there (meaning its common hardware) which is one reason it should be cheaper cause a manufacturer like intel dont have to charge out the arse for its parts) and Apple mainly uses the lower end of CPUs from them (excluding the Mac pro), the PPC hardware was really only being mainstreamed by Apple (which would be more expensive to buy cause no one else was really buying that hardware, meaning its not common hardware) and a select few other companies was using PPC wile everyone else was using x86 hardware. so companies could and did charge more for the PPC hardware (meaning motorola and IBM and whoever).

Sorry i cant remember where the link is but i seen it mentioned here before the intel switch took place and a few other places. basically saying what i said above. i will sum it up in a few words. its cheaper to produce a Mac with intel hardware then with PPC hardware.

and the Beige G3 AIO (short for All-In-One) is referring to is this Beige G3 AIO also called molor Mac and a few other things but if you look at Apple discussions in the older hardware products you will find a part of the forum there for the Power Macintosh G3 (Platinum-Beige) and everywhere you go people call them Beige G3. there was 3 models a MT (meaning minitower), DT (meaning Desktop), and AIO (meaning All-In-One only sold in the usa and to the education market)

 

[subsonix]

well for one the Intel hardware Apple is using is in every other PC out there (meaning its common hardware) which is one reason it should be cheaper cause a manufacturer like intel dont have to charge out the arse for its parts) and Apple mainly uses the lower end of CPUs from them (excluding the Mac pro)

That´s not true IMO, that would mean celerons etc. Look at the current line of mac books or imacs, the spec is definetly updated to represent the best that line (core 2 duo) has to offer.

 

[0098386]

I'd like one, but I wouldn't get one. My next mac will be a 24" iMac since I don't want to waste desk space on a tower.

 

[andyr2120]

You can't prove that either.

I've been using computers for over 25 years, me and my friends have always done incremental upgrades on our computers. And judging by all the people I know and all the people asking for a "low-cost Mac mini tower" in Mac-related forums (such as MacRumors), I'd say that a lot of us want exactly that.

Some don't, but I venture that most do. 🙄

😉

There is an incredibly simple way to refute the argument that PC owners don't upgrade their PCs -- walk into any Best Buy. I know, it can be painful, but do it. Locate the computer section. There should be one, two, maybe three aisles of hard drives, cases, video cards and other stuff. Where does that stuff go? PC upgrades represent a huge business, and not just among geeks -- even grandma brings in her computer and has a Geek Squad guy drop in a few sticks of RAM from time to time.

As a "switcher", it has been pretty difficult for me to accept that Macs don't play in that arena, outside of some third party memory upgrades. That's why I bought a used Mini -- if I can't get what I want, why sink extra cash into something I don't want? The Mini is only slightly more handicapped than the iMac, for about half the price. It's also half as beautiful, but it makes up for that with enthusiasm.

I am slightly interested in this Psystar abomination, but I'd rather get the mythical xMac.

 

[andyr2120]

{edit} and <snipped> Why did this post twice?

 

[funkboy]

Am I the only one to see the irony here 🙂

It's really funny that a hacker starts screaming bloody murder when his tool, that makes other software to be used without permission, is used without permission.

It's like a drug dealer crying that a thief stole his stash. Who is he going to run to? The Cops?

One of them is misappropriating an author's software without the author's permission & attempting to profit from it, and the other is not. Coding osx86 software may enable others to violate a EULA (do we see a resemblance to p2p here?), but misappropriating and misrepresenting software is just plain illegal.

 

[funkboy]

Any idea why that video is not viewable on the iPhone / iPod Touch? Did they just not imbed it properly into the page?

Because the Steveulator doesn't allow it!

 

[andyr2120]

Wow, overly dramatic much? What sort of sad life must one live before finding a freakin' software EULA as personal and meaningful as their marriage?

Apologies for jumping in, but let's face it -- a shrink-wrap license like a typical EULA is worth about as much as toilet paper, and that's only if you can manage to print one out on toilet paper. If you read them carefully, you will frequently uncover over-arching and unenforceable provisions, as well as a few rules that you may have already unwittingly broken.

I can't comment on Apple's EULA because I haven't read it, and I don't plan on reading it in the future. I know what I can and can't do with it, under the laws of the state and country where I live. That is good enough.

 

[GoodWatch]

Most macs or atleast the mac pro´s have top of the line technology in them and that is reflected on the price. Go out and buy two xeon 5400 and you´ll realise it´s a good deal actually.

The specs of this hack computer seems to be closer to a mac mini. I hate it.

Good deal? The least expensive Mac Pro is $3436 in Europe and by sheer coincidence all stores charge the same price 😕

 

[macsmurf]

Am I the only one to see the irony here 🙂

It's really funny that a hacker starts screaming bloody murder when his tool, that makes other software to be used without permission, is used without permission.

The guy who made the tool does not live in the US. We don't know if making a tool to enable running OS X on a PC is illegal where he lives. In addition, this tool is free. Nobody is making money on OS X, except for Apple (until now).

 

[subsonix]

Good deal? The least expensive Mac Pro is $3436 in Europe and by sheer coincidence all stores charge the same price 😕

Ok but an intel xeon harpertown 2.8 ghz which is what the smallest mac pro carry costs roughly $1500 each, so thats ≈ $3000 just for that cpu´s in europe at least.

 

[nick9191]

The Octo Core Mac Pro is £1600 inc student discount here, people have tried and failed to build it cheaper, even without the discount.

 

[paja]

Yeah I'll be buying a Psystar...NOT!

A MacFixIt reader had a very interesting email exchange from Psystar's support, who told him that they don't want customers installing Leopard themselves. Here's the quote from the support team:

We absolutely do not support customers attempting to install the Leopard operating system on our Open Computer themselves. This is due to a difficult process that we go through to get Leopard to function on our computers. We encourage you to purchase an open computer, and select the option to have Leopard Pre-installed. Currently, (shipping the computer back to us) is the only option available. If the HDD dies, you can ship it to us for $50 plus shipping, so we can replace it for you.

Good luck to anyone buying!

 

[paja]

Lol

Awesome, finally, a cheap computer with mac os x

Yeah, Psystar is always looking for a few more suckers.