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If Psystar is actually overwriting Apple code to get past a legitimate prevention technique, yes, that is a DMCA violation.

Otherwise it's as others have stated. Nothing more than loading a proper driver to support the hardware. That isn't illegal.

The driver doesn't have to be supported by Apple to be legal.
One only needs to look at the Windows platform to see how that plays out.
The supplier of the driver is responsible, not the supplier of the OS.

If the OS vendor releases an update/patch that "breaks" the third party driver, it's not the OS vendors responsibility to fix it.

Apple has many avenues to attack any cloner if they chose to.

For a DMCA violation, it doesn't matter _how_ you get around the copy protection, as long as the material was protected by an _effective_ mechanism that is supposed to prevent you from accessing it. It seems quite clear that Apple's copy protection is _effective_, because in their bankruptcy filings Psystar valued their know-how to get around it at $3 million.

Pystar did not use the Boot-132 method, they used a hacked up method which not only hacked up software but also they redistributed Apple updates with their own custom modifications. If that isn't a flagrant violation of the law - I don't know what the hell is!

As I said, for a DMCA violation the method doesn't matter. Obviously modifying copyrighted software makes some things worse; it means Psystar created derived works without permission, Psystar distributed derived works without permission, it would kill any argument relating to first sale doctrine etc.
 
For a DMCA violation, it doesn't matter _how_ you get around the copy protection, as long as the material was protected by an _effective_ mechanism that is supposed to prevent you from accessing it. It seems quite clear that Apple's copy protection is _effective_, because in their bankruptcy filings Psystar valued their know-how to get around it at $3 million.

This is not a copy protection mechanism!!! It is a tying mechanism. You would have a point if Apple was actually trying to stop people from illegally copying Mac OS X. That is not what this mechanism does.

Two quick cases to illustrate the point.

1. You buy some songs on iTunes. Your friends like several of your songs. You burn a copy of the songs onto a DVD and they pass around the DVD and install those files onto their Mac. When they go to play those sounds the DRM kicks in and says those machines are not licensed.
[ the DVD isn't necessary... however just so using same physical digital medium as next example. ]


2. You buy a retail copy of Mac OS X. Your friends like this new version. You give them the DVD and they install that onto their Macs. It works. Not legal, but it works. Those folks are violating basic copyright law. The mechanism does nothing to stop that. Everyone who wants to run a copy of Mac OS X should buy their own copy (hackintosh or not.); if you are running it you should pay for it.



The copy protection mechanism doesn't have to be "uncrackable" , but it has to even try. There is no even trying here. The only trying here by Apple is to recast tying as copyrights.



In the first half of this case, Apple pragmatically admitted that they are tying the software to the hardware. That is not an issue of copying. The aspects of the EULA that deal with copyrights is not what Apple putting a protection mechanism on. It is the tying aspects that they are protecting.


The DMCA allows for mechanism that provide interoperability so long as they do not subvert copyright management control. There are no basic copyright control being done here. The only thing here is the tying aspect that Apple has thrown on top and using the DMCA (whose principle purposes is copyright management) as a hammer to enforce their tying activities.

I'm not a lawyer but this has some similarities with Lexmark vs. SCC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexmark_Int'l_v._Static_Control_Components
http://www.eff.org/cases/lexmark-v-static-control-case-archive


Apple's argument might be that the DMCA is a control mechanism for basic copyrights plus whatever other terms they choose to pile on top. That may work on some lower court judges. IMHO, letting business throw whatever truckload of conditions on top of copyright issues and applying DMCA to those too is a loophole that can drive a 18 wheel truck through. The interoperability escape clause is indicative DMCA isn't suppose to squash all interoperability. Nor is it intended to be the universal enforcer for companies for anything they want.



As I said, for a DMCA violation the method doesn't matter. Obviously modifying copyrighted software makes some things worse; it means Psystar created derived works without permission, Psystar distributed derived works without permission, it would kill any argument relating to first sale doctrine etc.

Modifying is a whole another matter. Once start screwing with the copies (even adding different ktext to the DVD image. You can't change two lines of 'War and Peace' and then ship it as your own derived work. ) then have brought aspects of the copyrighted work back into the issue. At that point the DMCA will certainly kick in because aspects of basic copyright law (not tangential issues that Apple wants to loop in) kicks in.



Apple hasn't been stripped bare here. They still have the EULA terms. They can make the case how folks have to agree to tie the software to the hardware. As said before, if Psystar shipped separately (copy of Mac OS X and the box), they'd be in better shape. By installing themselves they are hard pressed to make the argument they are not buying into the EULA terms.
 
HP's international sales account for 68% of their revenue. One third US, two thirds international is a rather typical ratio for anything from hi-tech products to box office (Titanic = 600 million US, 1200 million international).
Alright, so at which point between 46% and 66% will Apple's international sales stop sucking?

Companies like Microsoft, Dell and HP are pumping out ads and TV commercials in all corners of the world. I have yet to see a single Apple ad on Swedish TV. I think they do some local version of the Mac vs PC ads in the UK, but apart from that they don't seem to advertise on TV in the EU. Macs are still niche products here, they're extremely rare outside the offices of creative professionals.
Well, considering Apple doesn't really advertise overseas then, I would think 46% is pretty respectable.
 
This is not a copy protection mechanism!!! It is a tying mechanism. You would have a point if Apple was actually trying to stop people from illegally copying Mac OS X. That is not what this mechanism does.

Of course it is a copy protection mechanism. It did prevent, until it was circumvented, that people could copy MacOS X by installing it say on a Dell computer and run it. It clearly doesn't prevent all copying of MacOS X; it doesn't prevent you from making illegal copies by installing one MacOS X DVD on two dozen Macs. But it prevents, unless circumvented, making illegal copies by installing MacOS X on non Apple-labeled computers.

Does it say anywhere in the DMCA law that an effective copy protection mechanism must prevent _every_ copying? It doesn't. Apple created a copy protection mechanism that prevents copying in those cases that Apple cares about most, and that doesn't apply in those cases where false positives would be most annoying for legitimate customers.

Your argument would allow anyone to steal my car, just because a friend has my second set of car keys. Clearly the locks on my car are not an effective car-theft-prevention-mechanism since my friend can just drive away at any time. :confused:
 
Of course it is a copy protection mechanism. It did prevent, until it was circumvented, that people could copy MacOS X by installing it say on a Dell computer and run it.
Thats not copying, its installing. If i use boot-132 with efi partition i can install a completely unmodified leopard disc on my pc. Assuming i went to the apple store and paid my $130 for that leo disc, i have not illegally circumvented any copyright mechanisms, i just installed it on my pc. I could even go so far as to install leopard on a hard drive using a real mac, then put that hard drive in my pc and run leo on it without changing a single thing.
Tying is not the same as a copyright, ergo installing osx on a pc is not breaking a copyright.
 
Thats not copying, its installing. If i use boot-132 with efi partition i can install a completely unmodified leopard disc on my pc. Assuming i went to the apple store and paid my $130 for that leo disc, i have not illegally circumvented any copyright mechanisms, i just installed it on my pc. I could even go so far as to install leopard on a hard drive using a real mac, then put that hard drive in my pc and run leo on it without changing a single thing.
Tying is not the same as a copyright, ergo installing osx on a pc is not breaking a copyright.

To install software on a computer is to make a copy of it onto the hard drive of that computer. Thus, breaking any methods of preventing the installation of the software onto a computer which it is not allowed to be installed onto, is breaking the copy protection.

jW
 
To install software on a computer is to make a copy of it onto the hard drive of that computer. Thus, breaking any methods of preventing the installation of the software onto a computer which it is not allowed to be installed onto, is breaking the copy protection.
By your definition, anyone who provides hardware drivers for Windows is breaking the law.

Apple not making any effort to support non-Apple hardware is not the same thing - in either intent or practice - as Apple deliberately seeking to break OS X on non-Apple hardware.
 
By your definition, anyone who provides hardware drivers for Windows is breaking the law.

Your being obtuse. Microsoft does have exceptions to allow for manufacturers to use drivers with their OS. Part of the whole psystar case is that they are distributing OSX in a modified state - the only way that MS allows for that is to be an OEM.. Psystar does not have any authority to sell OSX unless is it is in an unmodified, non derivative fashion.
 
To install software on a computer is to make a copy of it onto the hard drive of that computer. Thus, breaking any methods of preventing the installation of the software onto a computer which it is not allowed to be installed onto, is breaking the copy protection.

jW

This kinda brings us full circle because we are back at the question "is it legal for apple to synthetically restrict osx to mac hardware?" which the courts will decide whenever they get to it.
 
Fun facts.

According to Apple's arguments, Psystar committed the following acts:

Copyright infringement (unauthorized reproduction, distribution, or display of
Apple's copyrighted works; i.e. OSX)

Contributory or induced copyright infringement
(inducing, causing, or materially contributing to copyright infringement on the part of their customers)

Breach of contract (violating multiple parts of Apple's user agreement by installing or aiding others in installing OSX on a non-Apple machine
and modifying Apple's code for Psystar-friendly updates)

Inducing breach of contract (inducing breach of contract on the part of their customers)

2 counts of trademark infringement

Trade dress infringement

Brand dilution

Unfair competition (state law)

Unfair competition (common law)

All of these are said to have been committed
with full knowledge and intent, as well as for
profit exceeding $75,000.
 
This kinda brings us full circle because we are back at the question "is it legal for apple to synthetically restrict osx to mac hardware?" which the courts will decide whenever they get to it.

Well we have Judge Allsup (who is hearing this case) has concluded that Apple is entitled to sell its operating system as it sees fit. The only thing that would change that is some sort of anti-competitive action by Apple. That was the first thing that Psystar tried and failed.

OSX is tied to hardware, but again, as it has been stated multiple times on this forum, tying - especially when the items are related - is perfectly legal. A great example of this is Pro-Tools. You have to have the Pro tools board to legally use their software.
 
Pystar is a parasite

"Pystar is not an Apple competitor in the true sense of the word, Pystar is a parasite that takes what Apple has developed to make a profit and gives nothing in return."

As much as I despise Micro$oft, I am wondering if PyStar is paying for the OEM licenses for Windows? If not, Apple is the least of its concerns.
 
As much as I despise Micro$oft, I am wondering if PyStar is paying for the OEM licenses for Windows? If not, Apple is the least of its concerns.
Well they haven't been able to show that they legitimately purchased retail copies of Leopard (not that it matters) so I wonder about that too. OEM copies of Windows can be gotten cheaply though...
 
Open source rarely gives you free rain to make profit off their work without giving back.

yes but that wouldn't be Apple's problem. or at least not just Apple's problem.

This kinda brings us full circle because we are back at the question "is it legal for apple to synthetically restrict osx to mac hardware?" which the courts will decide whenever they get to it.

The courts got to it. And declared that the market is Personal Computers (not Mac Computers as Psystar tried to argue) that Apple lacks a level of market share to make the tying abusive. so they could restrict the hardware being used by their software as much as they want.

This is not a copy protection mechanism!!! It is a tying mechanism.

sorry but you are wrong.

Copyright is literally the right to control making copies of a work. that includes the copy made when you install software onto a computer.

Apple has a right to control who can make a copy of OSX. this was validated by the courts when they tossed the whole anti-trust thing. And Apple has, under those rights, restricted copying of the OS to only those folks using a computer configured by them with the parts of their choosing. They created their little lock to ensure that the restriction is honored.

Psystar's technology to make the OS install on configurations of their choosing breaks that lock and thus allows the creating of a copy outside of Apple's rules. which makes it an illegal, and copyright violating copy and the technology a DCMA violation.

Just wait and in the fall the courts will be repeating the same thing. unless of course Psystar gives up and apologizes before then.
 
I was/am a Mac Clone owner

Anyone remember power computing? Better, Faster, Cheaper Macs than Apple could make at that time?

The PowerTowerPro was the mac I used longer than any others I've owned.

So I am considering one of these Psystars. $1,499 for all that, are you kidding? That's amazing.

The EULA may be illegal, just like exclusivity contracts for phone companies. It's all in the judges lap. Psystar is forcing the issue. GOOD FOR THEM (and maybe us).


I think the main point here is Psystar has been NOTICED now, they have machines that will run OSX. SO even if they are told they can't pre-install OSX, nothing will keep them from selling a system that will accept a clean install of OSX.
 
Yes I hope Pystar expands all over the world including to Australia. No $1999 imac a nice $1000 Pystar rig will make Apple rethink their rip off currency rates.
 
Anyone remember power computing? Better, Faster, Cheaper Macs than Apple could make at that time?

That is what has Apple worried.

Apple remains first and foremost a hardware vendor. Computers, media players, cellular phones, what have you.

OS X exists to sell Apple Macintoshes.

The iTunes Store exist to sell iPods and :apple:tv's.

The App Store exists to sell iPhones.

Apple makes their money off the hardware. Things like OS X and iTunes make Apple hardware more attractive and increase the perceived value of that hardware in the mind of consumers which is why they will pay a not-insignificant premium for that hardware.

If Apple offers OS X as a "generic OS" like Linux that will run on any x86-based platform, then Macintoshes become less-attractive and have less value. Yes, an aluminum MacBook Pro looks nicer then a plastic Dell, but does it look $500 nicer when both are running OS X?

I expect Apple has a pretty big annual R&D bill and that bill is funded in no small part thanks to Apple consumers paying an "Apple Tax". It's just like government R&D laboratories around the world are funded by taxes those governments impose on their citizens.

My worry is that if Apple products become a commodity product in price, they will become a commodity product in style and performance. Many of us laugh at the Zune and the Android G1 for how "lame" they are compared to the iPod and iPhone, but those are commodity products built on the cheap with an emphasis on getting them to market, not polishing the design and user experience.
 
SO even if they are told they can't pre-install OSX, nothing will keep them from selling a system that will accept a clean install of OSX.


Actually DCMA will. If they lose all the legal arguments they will be found guilty of a massive digital copyright violation. And if they continue to sell machines with this 'driver' that circumvents the hardware check in the OS X installer, they will still be violating DCMA
 
Users still facing software issues while running the most current version of Mac OS X Leopard may take kindly to word that Mac OS X 10.5.7 is moving swiftly through its development cycle. Apple as early as this weekend is expected to equip its vast developer community with a new build of the maintenance and security release.(Apple)

??? I've had 10.5.7 on my home machine installed through software update for ages, and so have many MacRumors readers.
 
The EULA may be illegal, just like exclusivity contracts for phone companies. It's all in the judges lap. Psystar is forcing the issue. GOOD FOR THEM (and maybe us).

Except Apple is suing primarily based on copyright infringement (amongst other things) - not the EULA. Apple doesn't need to worry about EULA claims (as unlikely as having them held as invalid are). Psystar is claiming the EULA being invalid as a defense for their crime to claim that what they do is illegal, but that defense is very shaky. Here are the claims specifically.

Amongst the many accusations that Apple is making, they talk about EULAs in the context of this case:

Contrary to what you may have read elsewhere, EULAs in general have been tested in courts many times and have been held enforceable in several states, including Florida, where Psystar is located. In addition, EULAs are currently valid in the federal Ninth circuit, where Apple's brought suit. It's true that there are some cases holding that EULAs are unenforceable and the Apple's Leopard EULA has never been litigated specifically, but this claim isn't nearly as shaky as it's been made out to be -- it's just not a big money-winner like a copyright claim.

Emphasis mine. The case is summarized by Engadget as follows:

Like we've been saying all along, the suit is more about copyright infringement than EULA violations, since Psystar was distributing a modified version of Apple's copyrighted code outside the terms of the EULA

THe EULA is just a secondary claim to add further hurt to their primary accusations regarding copyright and trademark infringement - arguments that are really strong.
 
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