Psystar Exits Bankruptcy, Launches New Xeon-Based Systems Running OS X

[gnasher729]

By "stealing" you mean "paying the price Apple charges", right ?

Psystar is (or maybe is, since they first lost all invoices so they couldn't show Apple in discovery what they are paying, then when Apple got the court to tell Psystar that they _must_ deliver the information they went bankrupt, then when Apple got the court to tell Psystar that they _still_ must deliver the information even when they are bankrupt they suddenly don't find it convenient to be bankrupt anymore, in other words, nobody knows whether Psystar _has_ paid anything to Apple) paying the price that Apple charges to extra special customers who have already paid good money for Apple-labeled hardware, and who already have a previous version of the OS legally installed on their hardware.

Psystar is paying what Apple charges for MacOS X with a license that allows installation on a single Apple labeled computer. They are free to install every copy they paid for on a single Apple-labeled computer, and there is nothing that Apple could or would want to do to prevent that legally. They are not free to install MacOS X on their Psystar computers, and they haven't paid for that.

 

[*LTD*]

wow. i'm kinda surprised at this. i hope that they get to keep selling systems, so apple will have to do something about them, something like lower prices and upgrade their hardware sooner

Do you honestly think Psystar is making enough sales to be a threat to Apple??

No one's buying their knockoffs.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Do you honestly think Psystar is making enough sales to be a threat to Apple??

No one's buying their knockoffs.

Does anyone know where Steve Ballmer lives? I'll try get some money together, by one and taunt him about a PC without a windows license. Hey it might put Phystar out of Business if I just said, "With Love, Phystar" But thats illegal here Or just "With Love"?

Seems like a good practical joke as he forces is families to use Zunes ETC. Because I don't live in the USA he can't sue me and posting a parcel isn't illegal here.

 

[mdriftmeyer]

What are you talking about???

The corporate sector is a completely different market.

The consumer desktop market is DYING. The numbers don't lie.




Except that it runs Windows. Why would anyone here want to run the worst operating system ever conceived, no matter the hardware? Windows sufferers have been getting shafted with garbage operating systems since 2001, and XP wasn't anything to be proud of in the first place.

I'd rather pay DOUBLE for an OS X rig, which naturally means a Mac.

The Consumer Market is not dying. The Planet's population isn't declining. There is a trough happening due to hardware transitions.

Markets will be moving forward again once people let go of their 5-8 year old PC and find a new system.

Believe you me, I have several relatives that are in that category.

 

[smartalic34]

The Consumer Market is not dying. The Planet's population isn't declining. There is a trough happening due to hardware transitions.

Markets will be moving forward again once people let go of their 5-8 year old PC and find a new system.

Believe you me, I have several relatives that are in that category.

I think, and I may be mistaken, that the poster you are responding to put emphasis on the consumer desktop market... to illustrate the shift of the consumer's preference from desktop to laptop. laptop sales are soaring, while desktop sales, well, aren't. people are continuing to upgrade, but are buying laptops instead.

the general trend the past few years has been towards laptops, especially with Apple. my guess is that now their notebooks have decent power, whereas in the past an Apple notebook was a performance compromise vs. a desktop. nowadays, even a white macbook adequately meets most users' needs

 

[NoSmokingBandit]

whereas in the past an Apple notebook was a performance compromise vs. a desktop.

Thats because in the past Apple built desktops with actual desktop parts. iMacs and Minis compare to the macbook/mbp line because they use most of the same hardware. This isnt because apple is making better laptops, its because they are making slower desktops.

Desktops may be dying, but they arent dead, and quite a few people are looking to a hackintosh to get a core2quad mac. If apple made a reasonably priced desktop, made of actual desktop components, then i might consider buying it, even thouhg i once vowed to never spend money on apple's hardware. This will never happen though, "reasonably priced" and "mac" arent synonymous by any means.

 

[Mackilroy]

Desktops may be dying, but they arent dead, and quite a few people are looking to a hackintosh to get a core2quad mac.

Do you have numbers, or are you talking out of the side of your mouth? Just because a lot of people on MacRumors might want a quad-core desktop Mac by no means reflects the general population.

 

[smartalic34]

Thats because in the past Apple built desktops with actual desktop parts. iMacs and Minis compare to the macbook/mbp line because they use most of the same hardware. This isnt because apple is making better laptops, its because they are making slower desktops.

a good point. portable laptop components vs. desk-bound laptop components... the former is vastly preferable

 

[charlituna]

wow. i'm kinda surprised at this. i hope that they get to keep selling systems, so apple will have to do something about them, something like lower prices and upgrade their hardware sooner

don't hold your breath. Apple does what Apple wants. it is very very rare that they listen to or act on outside pressure (firewire in the 13 inch laptops might be the first in a very long time). Which is why they only just now lowered prices though folks have been screaming at them to do it for years. which is why they haven't put in built in blu-ray despite the very vocal very small group that has been demanding they do it. which is why despite tons of analysts saying they should, they haven't gone for the majority market share. it's actually in their interest not to since that lack of majority is what makes their tying non abusive. if they had 50+% of the market it would probably been deemed anti-trust and they would be forced to allow cloning. which they don't want to do. even though some folks say they should.

Do you honestly think Psystar is making enough sales to be a threat to Apple??

No one's buying their knockoffs.

doesn't matter. current copyright law disregards profit in the equation, they could be giving the machines away and the punishments don't change.

also, if Psystar is allowed to get away with them, what is stopping me from doing it also. and you and every other person on this board. we could start the MacRumors Company and make a fortune selling our Mac clones. Going after Psystar gets it put in the books that Apple is in the right, it is copyright violation, they don't have to allow clones, it's wrong for anyone to do it, the EULA is solid etc. Even if Apple doesn't collect a dime in damages they have it in the books that they are right, Psytar and the like are wrong. so still a victory

 

[*LTD*]

don't hold your breath. Apple does what Apple wants. it is very very rare that they listen to or act on outside pressure (firewire in the 13 inch laptops might be the first in a very long time). Which is why they only just now lowered prices though folks have been screaming at them to do it for years. which is why they haven't put in built in blu-ray despite the very vocal very small group that has been demanding they do it. which is why despite tons of analysts saying they should, they haven't gone for the majority market share. it's actually in their interest not to since that lack of majority is what makes their tying non abusive. if they had 50+% of the market it would probably been deemed anti-trust and they would be forced to allow cloning. which they don't want to do. even though some folks say they should.



doesn't matter. current copyright law disregards profit in the equation, they could be giving the machines away and the punishments don't change.

also, if Psystar is allowed to get away with them, what is stopping me from doing it also. and you and every other person on this board. we could start the MacRumors Company and make a fortune selling our Mac clones. Going after Psystar gets it put in the books that Apple is in the right, it is copyright violation, they don't have to allow clones, it's wrong for anyone to do it, the EULA is solid etc. Even if Apple doesn't collect a dime in damages they have it in the books that they are right, Psytar and the like are wrong. so still a victory

Completely agree with all of this. Good post.

EDIT:

Actually, this is one of the better posts I've read in a while.

 

[AtariKee]

I'm happy with Apple's smaller OS marketshare.

And so are they...

Funny how pundits claim Macs won't sell because they're too expensive, then when Apple offers one well below $1,000, the same pundits clamor it doesn't have a larger screen (or some other nonsense).
Let's face it, those that want a Mac for under $1,000 are just cheap, and would never be satisfied until they were paid to take it home.


 

[macintoshtoffy]

And so are they...

Funny how pundits claim Macs won't sell because they're too expensive, then when Apple offers one well below $1,000, the same pundits clamor it doesn't have a larger screen (or some other nonsense).
Let's face it, those that want a Mac for under $1,000 are just cheap, and would never be satisfied until they were paid to take it home.


What I also find funny is how many of these pundits seem to be 'business experts' - so where are their billions in hardware sales to back up their 'claims' of expertise?

It reminds me of the debate how more people using Windows meaning more customers - but one must look at the quality of the customer based. Compare the quality of the Windows customer base when compared to Apple. Disposable income being the best example of this benchmark - if you're a producer, which would you rather have as your customer base - millions of cheap skates who can barely make ends meet or a smaller base who has disposable income and can purchase things when they want?

 

[NoSmokingBandit]

Compare the quality of the Windows customer base when compared to Apple. Disposable income being the best example of this benchmark - if you're a producer, which would you rather have as your customer base - millions of cheap skates who can barely make ends meet or a smaller base who has disposable income and can purchase things when they want?

This is the elitist attitude that drive people away from macs. My friend was looking for a laptop not too long ago and was on the fence about getting a 13" umbp, but told me he didnt buy it because he didnt want the world to think he was an "elitist douchebag."

 

[gnasher729]

This is the elitist attitude that drive people away from macs. My friend was looking for a laptop not too long ago and was on the fence about getting a 13" umbp, but told me he didnt buy it because he didnt want the world to think he was an "elitist douchebag."

Sad when people base their decision what computer to use on what they think what others will think of them. Sadder when anyone thinks that the purchase of a $1199 item indicates that someone is an "elitist douchebag".

Although in my experience, when people come up with weird and strange reasons like that one, usually there is a completely different reason. Like your friend might not have the cash

 

[*LTD*]

And so are they...

Funny how pundits claim Macs won't sell because they're too expensive, then when Apple offers one well below $1,000, the same pundits clamor it doesn't have a larger screen (or some other nonsense).
Let's face it, those that want a Mac for under $1,000 are just cheap, and would never be satisfied until they were paid to take it home.


They don't sell?

Macs are their biggest moneymaker.

 

[NoSmokingBandit]

Sad when people base their decision what computer to use on what they think what others will think of them. Sadder when anyone thinks that the purchase of a $1199 item indicates that someone is an "elitist douchebag".

Although in my experience, when people come up with weird and strange reasons like that one, usually there is a completely different reason. Like your friend might not have the cash

He had plenty of cash, and actually went with a dell studio that would have cost the same as the 13" umbp. I dont buy apple hardware for a variety of reasons, one of which is the elitist factor. I dont want to slowly turn into a Jobs Zombie and lose all sense of reason.

 

[Music_Producer]

He had plenty of cash, and actually went with a dell studio that would have cost the same as the 13" umbp. I dont buy apple hardware for a variety of reasons, one of which is the elitist factor. I dont want to slowly turn into a Jobs Zombie and lose all sense of reason.

That 'elitist' factor has a story to it - it doesn't crop up right away. Once you convert from windows to mac - and the years go by and you hear your friends screaming about their computers crashing, etc - you start getting puffed up because your computer has never given you a problem.

And then you start walking around with your chest sticking out, proclaiming 'I have a mac' which basically means "haha, you losers can stick with your dlls and reformatting and bloatware and malware.. I keep churning out productivity on my mac'

At least that's how I feel

Uh, I'm not a Jobs zombie - stop making daft assumptions.

 

[fef714]

don't hold your breath. Apple does what Apple wants. it is very very rare that they listen to or act on outside pressure (firewire in the 13 inch laptops might be the first in a very long time). Which is why they only just now lowered prices though folks have been screaming at them to do it for years. which is why they haven't put in built in blu-ray despite the very vocal very small group that has been demanding they do it. which is why despite tons of analysts saying they should, they haven't gone for the majority market share. it's actually in their interest not to since that lack of majority is what makes their tying non abusive. if they had 50+% of the market it would probably been deemed anti-trust and they would be forced to allow cloning. which they don't want to do. even though some folks say they should.



doesn't matter. current copyright law disregards profit in the equation, they could be giving the machines away and the punishments don't change.

also, if Psystar is allowed to get away with them, what is stopping me from doing it also. and you and every other person on this board. we could start the MacRumors Company and make a fortune selling our Mac clones. Going after Psystar gets it put in the books that Apple is in the right, it is copyright violation, they don't have to allow clones, it's wrong for anyone to do it, the EULA is solid etc. Even if Apple doesn't collect a dime in damages they have it in the books that they are right, Psytar and the like are wrong. so still a victory

Yeah, it's more to send a message to any future Mac cloners, "Hey, I wouldn't go up against our legal team. Remember what happened to Psystar?"

 

[*LTD*]

I dont buy apple hardware for a variety of reasons, one of which is the elitist factor. I dont want to slowly turn into a Jobs Zombie and lose all sense of reason.

Whoa.

When I use my MBP the last thing that enters my mind is elitism of any kind, and I honestly don't think the person next to me (or anyone else who sees me) gives a sweet damn about what I'm using. And if they do, it's probably the very last thing I'm gonna worry about.

Choosing not to purchase something which you find nice, useful, and enjoyable because of something as abstract, unlikely, and completely nebulous as "elitism", makes no sense. Quite frankly, people who think like that have issues.

That 'elitist' factor has a story to it - it doesn't crop up right away. Once you convert from windows to mac - and the years go by and you hear your friends screaming about their computers crashing, etc - you start getting puffed up because your computer has never given you a problem.

And then you start walking around with your chest sticking out, proclaiming 'I have a mac' which basically means "haha, you losers can stick with your dlls and reformatting and bloatware and malware.. I keep churning out productivity on my mac'

At least that's how I feel

Uh, I'm not a Jobs zombie - stop making daft assumptions.

I don't think that sort of thing plays as central a role in our lives as people would like to think.

It's just on message boards where we let loose a bit. And really, the enthusiasm of the Apple community is more of a shared experience rather than something deliberately projected outward.

The key is not to care and keep using your Mac and enjoying it. If someone labels me an elitist, that'll be about as important to me as last week's weather. The term itself has no meaning to me. And if I have friends like that, I'll make it a point to start losing them. Start shortening my contact list. Time for better friends, and better yet, friends with Macs, if that's even a factor. If they can't grow up, then trade up.

 

[Eidorian]

Whoa.

When I use my MBP the last thing that enters my mind is elitism of any kind, and I honestly don't think the person next to me (or anyone else who sees me) gives a sweet damn about what I'm using. And if they do, it's probably the very last thing I'm gonna worry about.

Choosing not to purchase something which you find nice, useful, and enjoyable because of something as abstract, unlikely, and completely nebulous as "elitism", makes no sense. Quite frankly, people who think like that have issues.

Elitism is frankly a very strong perception of Mac users by others.

That 'elitist' factor has a story to it - it doesn't crop up right away. Once you convert from windows to mac - and the years go by and you hear your friends screaming about their computers crashing, etc - you start getting puffed up because your computer has never given you a problem.

And then you start walking around with your chest sticking out, proclaiming 'I have a mac' which basically means "haha, you losers can stick with your dlls and reformatting and bloatware and malware.. I keep churning out productivity on my mac'

At least that's how I feel

Uh, I'm not a Jobs zombie - stop making daft assumptions.

Sadly for most the comments about Windows make the "not a Jobs zombie" end fall on deaf ears.

 

[AidenShaw]

Sad when people base their decision what computer to use on what they think what others will think of them.

Come on - ya' gotta look good in the Starbucks with your glowing white Apple!

When I use my MBP the last thing that enters my mind is elitism of any kind...

Yes, sure.

Your avatar betrays you....

 

[macintoshtoffy]

He had plenty of cash, and actually went with a dell studio that would have cost the same as the 13" umbp. I dont buy apple hardware for a variety of reasons, one of which is the elitist factor. I dont want to slowly turn into a Jobs Zombie and lose all sense of reason.

When compared to a Ballmer and Gates Zombie where people like you claim that Microsoft 'created' the 'PC Revolution' and that we should all grovel before the almighty Microsoft because of it.

 

[*LTD*]

Elitism is frankly a very strong perception of Mac users by others.

Oh well.

 

[Eidorian]

I'm not particularly bothered by that. Should I be?

That's entirely up to you and everyone else.

 

[charlituna]

This is the elitist attitude that drive people away from macs. My friend was looking for a laptop not too long ago and was on the fence about getting a 13" umbp, but told me he didnt buy it because he didnt want the world to think he was an "elitist douchebag."

buying a Mac might make folks think someone is an eLEETist but one would have to act like a douchebag to be seen as a douchebag.

walking around saying "I've got a Mac so I'm better than you with your pansy ass PeeCee" is a good start.