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Psystar Files Appeal in Apple Lawsuit Over Unauthorized Mac Clones

Go Psystar!!! Go Psystar!!! Go Psystar!!! Go Psystar!!!

Love it!

I may be the only one here happy about the news: GO PSYSTAR!!!

It is so hypocritical to see all of the Apple "Fans" criticize Psystar, how many of you have jailbroken iPhones, stealing Apps from Apple, or downloaded hacked copy on torrents? I thought so... who's the hacker now?

GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
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Mac 101

The reason most enjoy the fruits of Apple's efforts are because they make the operating system AND the hardware. These, subjected to rigorous QA, generally result in very, very reliable machines.

I don't claim they are 100% reliable. Right know I have a co-worker who has purchased a 27' iMac plagued by the 'flickering display' issue. At least he's getting a new machine from Apple.

All technology is subject to failure, regardless of who manufactures it. That said, I think the "hardware and software maker" model works much better than what Microsoft has to contend with (OS manufacturer trying to make an OS that runs on a near infinite combination of hardware components).

Pystar, for me, represents the diluting of the Mac OS experience. I'll happily pay the extra few hundred dollars to have a real Mac....and I have 4 of them in my house....none of which have suffered any hardware failures (G4 -> c2d). I work in IT full time...not having to deal with the issues at home I confront at work with Windows makes it all worth while, and totally puts it in perspective.

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BRLawyer said:
I don't care: it's the same crap, just a terminology problem irrelevant in this case:

HACKERS = CRIMINALS = THIEVES
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Yes agree that they are criminals.

Personally, I would put them as thieves, way below the class of hackers.
 
No one I know has ever heard of them, in-fact if it wasn't for this site and other Apple rumour sites, I don't think I would have ether. So if this is just a publicity stunt, it an't going very well!
 
ferrous said:
Love it!

I may be the only one here happy about the news: GO PSYSTAR!!!

It is so hypocritical to see all of the Apple "Fans" criticize Psystar, how many of you have jailbroken iPhones, stealing Apps from Apple, or downloaded hacked copy on torrents? I thought so... who's the hacker now?

GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
:rolleyes::cool::D;):p:eek::):rolleyes::cool:;):p:D:eek::):cool::rolleyes::):):D:cool:
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Generalize much?
 
cmaier said:
To which roadblock do you refer? The business plan based on theft of intellectual property? The business operations that constitute copyright infringement and violation of the DMCA? The pesky little contracts that are binding on me (EULAs) that prevent me from doing what I'm doing? Or the fact that my product is such crap that even by stealing from another company and using the other company's own products against them at a lower price I still can't manage to sell more than a few hundred boxes?
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There are very few IT companies of which cannot be said the same. Look at recent news regarding Apple, Nokia and Kodak. So you've got a little guy doing questionable tactics against a big guy that has made billions off of patent infringements. I'm not going to hold Pystar up to a higher standard than Apple.

And as for EULAs, I can't remember the last time I actually read one. Most people I think are like me, you scroll to the bottom or just click through. It's because we really don't care for them and if we did actually read them and think they were enforceable, we wouldn't buy the products.

For what it's worth I wouldn't by a Pystar box. Nobody who is half way technical would...you could do it yourself. But there is something fundamentally wrong with Apple policing what hardware I can load OSX on. I've been an Apple user for quite a while. I'd say I'm fairly loyal to the brand. But this is the type of strong arm tactic that turns me off. I know I'm in the minority.

I also know this horse can't walk anymore...the courts and Apple's very deep pockets will put the last nail in Pystar soon enough.
 
ferrous said:
Love it!

I may be the only one here happy about the news: GO PSYSTAR!!!

It is so hypocritical to see all of the Apple "Fans" criticize Psystar, how many of you have jailbroken iPhones, stealing Apps from Apple, or downloaded hacked copy on torrents? I thought so... who's the hacker now?

GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
:rolleyes::cool::D;):p:eek::):rolleyes::cool:;):p:D:eek::):cool::rolleyes::):):D:cool:
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I've done none of those things. Now may I continue to criticize the thieving Psystar?

You are projecting - you think because you break the law, everyone else does. You also equate jailbreaking with stealing, and that's a tough argument to make. When you jailbreak your own phone you violate the DMCA, but you at least paid Apple for their copy of the OS and paid them for the hardware it's tied to.
 
good for them, hope they win. Then I hope both Nokia and Kodak both win and any other litigants in the future....
 
There's a difference between accidentally infringing a patent (after all, their are millions of them, and you can't possibly check them all every time you do something) which may or may not be valid, and predicating your entire business plan on stealing IP (and having a court adjudicate that you have done so, unlike your Apple/Nokia/Kodak example).

Further, do you really think Psystar was not aware of the EULA? That's just a ridiculous argument. (Also a legally meaningless one).

Apple deciding what hardware its OS can run on is no different than Microsoft saying its xbox OS can only run on its boxes, Tivo saying its OS can only run on its boxes, RIM saying only its hardware can run the blackberry OS, etc.

ldkaplan said:
There are very few IT companies of which cannot be said the same. Look at recent news regarding Apple, Nokia and Kodak. So you've got a little guy doing questionable tactics against a big guy that has made billions off of patent infringements. I'm not going to hold Pystar up to a higher standard than Apple.

And as for EULAs, I can't remember the last time I actually read one. Most people I think are like me, you scroll to the bottom or just click through. It's because we really don't care for them and if we did actually read them and think they were enforceable, we wouldn't buy the products.

For what it's worth I wouldn't by a Pystar box. Nobody who is half way technical would...you could do it yourself. But there is something fundamentally wrong with Apple policing what hardware I can load OSX on. I've been an Apple user for quite a while. I'd say I'm fairly loyal to the brand. But this is the type of strong arm tactic that turns me off. I know I'm in the minority.

I also know this horse can't walk anymore...the courts and Apple's very deep pockets will put the last nail in Pystar soon enough.
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dasein said:
Somebody has deep pockets here. These guys aren't in it alone. It isn't lawyers...where would they get paid from with these guys making T-shirts? Someone's pushing the envelope.
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My thoughts exactly. You don't take on a high profile case like this without some cash to back it up. It almost seems like Psystar was just a front to push this case into happening. I can't see that they were rolling in the dough by selling cheap Mac clones. It will be interesting to see how it will shake down.
 
ferrous said:
Love it!

I may be the only one here happy about the news: GO PSYSTAR!!!

It is so hypocritical to see all of the Apple "Fans" criticize Psystar, how many of you have jailbroken iPhones, stealing Apps from Apple, or downloaded hacked copy on torrents? I thought so... who's the hacker now?

GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
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Don't jailbreak, steal apps or download hacked copies via torrent... SO...

GO APPLE!!! :):)
 
cmaier said:
There's a difference between accidentally infringing a patent (after all, their are millions of them, and you can't possibly check them all every time you do something) which may or may not be valid, and predicating your entire business plan on stealing IP (and having a court adjudicate that you have done so, unlike your Apple/Nokia/Kodak example).

Further, do you really think Psystar was not aware of the EULA? That's just a ridiculous argument. (Also a legally meaningless one).

Apple deciding what hardware its OS can run on is no different than Microsoft saying its xbox OS can only run on its boxes, Tivo saying its OS can only run on its boxes, RIM saying only its hardware can run the blackberry OS, etc.
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problems with this...

1/ Psystar obviously thought they would win the court case and they based their business model on that, not 'stealing IP'

2/ If Apple had followed the law and not put Nokia's GSM tech BEFORE they had agreed licensing terms in the iPhone then there would be no iPhone.... think that would've hurt them much.?

the blinkered views and sheer double standards on here is frightening.

BTW there is a german compnay doing a 'psystar' but Apple hasn't gone after them..

why?

No chance they would win in Europe...
 
ggbrown said:
The reason most enjoy the fruits of Apple's efforts are because they make the operating system AND the hardware. These, subjected to rigorous QA, generally result in very, very reliable machines.

I don't claim they are 100% reliable. Right know I have a co-worker who has purchased a 27' iMac plagued by the 'flickering display' issue. At least he's getting a new machine from Apple.

All technology is subject to failure, regardless of who manufactures it. That said, I think the "hardware and software maker" model works much better than what Microsoft has to contend with (OS manufacturer trying to make an OS that runs on a near infinite combination of hardware components).

Pystar, for me, represents the diluting of the Mac OS experience. I'll happily pay the extra few hundred dollars to have a real Mac....and I have 4 of them in my house....none of which have suffered any hardware failures (G4 -> c2d). I work in IT full time...not having to deal with the issues at home I confront at work with Windows makes it all worth while, and totally puts it in perspective.

G
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Apple just needs more choice like a more MATE screens Imac needs one.

Where is the head less desktop (mini to weak and priced high) (mac pro over kill price with low ram and **** video)

When you can build a system with about the same cpu power as the mac pro X2 the ram and MUCH MUCH better video card for $1400-$1000 less then what are you paying THAT MUCH more for? and why does a $2500 system only have 3gb of ram and a crap video card? with only 1 cpu?

Where is the system like a imac with out a screen? People do not want to be locked into a screen.

Why can the imac only hold 1 HDD in a hard to get place and have no E-sata? at least they have firewire 800.

why no card slot? in the imac / 15" MAC BOOK PRO? why does a $1200 desktop have on board video and only a DUAL core cpu?


The thing with the iphone is people do not want ATT and the law is on there side.

also the law said that psystar can not use images to install os x so Psystar 2 can start up and install os x by hard on each system and be in the law.
 
archipellago said:
problems with this...

1/ Psystar obviously thought they would win the court case and they based their business model on that, not 'stealing IP'

2/ If Apple had followed the law and not put Nokia's GSM tech BEFORE they had agreed licensing terms in the iPhone then there would be no iPhone.... think that would've hurt them much.?

the blinkered views and sheer double standards on here is frightening.

BTW there is a german compnay doing a 'psystar' but Apple hasn't gone after them..

why?

No chance they would win in Europe...
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Psystar lost on SUMMARY JUDGMENT. This means the judge said there was absolutely no factual evidence supporting Psystar's position, and, as a matter of law, they lose. There is no way they could have believed they would win.

As for Apple, who says they didn't follow the law? No court has found them guilty of infringing everything. By law, in fact, Nokia cannot prove its case merely by saying "GSM requires our patents, and Apple is compatible with GSM." If Apple loses, then so be it, but I'm sure Apple's lawyers gave them better advice than did Psystar's lawyers.

Also, copyright infringement for profit is a criminal matter, which makes it quite different than patent infringement.
 
Joe The Dragon said:
also the law said that psystar can not use images to install os x so Psystar 2 can start up and install os x by hard on each system and be in the law.
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No, that's not what the judge said. He upheld the EULA and said not only can Psystar not infringe the EULA, but it can't even assist consumers in doing so.
 
I wonder if Psystar (and those supporting it) know the meaning of the word stupid?

Probably not.
 
ferrous said:
Love it!

I may be the only one here happy about the news: GO PSYSTAR!!!

It is so hypocritical to see all of the Apple "Fans" criticize Psystar, how many of you have jailbroken iPhones, stealing Apps from Apple, or downloaded hacked copy on torrents? I thought so... who's the hacker now?

GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!! GO PSYSTAR!!!
:rolleyes::cool::D;):p:eek::):rolleyes::cool:;):p:D:eek::):cool::rolleyes::):):D:cool:
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You just may be the only one happy with Piss-Tar's persistence (actually the lawyer's and whom ever is bankrolling this crap).

Not everyone lives by your unethical standards.

I do not have a jailbroken iPhone, nor do I steal apps from Apple, nor do I download hacked copies on torrent. Throw rocks in your own glass house!

Dumb phuque. Cheating, lying and stealing are the business tactics of a lazy fool. I guess you are in good company if you support Piss-tar.
 
cmaier said:
Psystar lost on SUMMARY JUDGMENT. This means the judge said there was absolutely no factual evidence supporting Psystar's position, and, as a matter of law, they lose. There is no way they could have believed they would win.

As for Apple, who says they didn't follow the law? No court has found them guilty of infringing everything. By law, in fact, Nokia cannot prove its case merely by saying "GSM requires our patents, and Apple is compatible with GSM." If Apple loses, then so be it, but I'm sure Apple's lawyers gave them better advice than did Psystar's lawyers.

Also, copyright infringement for profit is a criminal matter, which makes it quite different than patent infringement.
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think Apple could influence the judge?

wouldn't,put it past them, besides, the fact that they are appealing means they must think 'something'

If Apple loses then they shouldn't have been selling a phone with GSM tech in it.

I assume from your righteous position that you would then support a fine on Apple equal to the profits made by Apple on iPhone? and a ban on sales until due licensing fees are paid.?
 
MizuInOz said:
You just may be the only one happy with Piss-Tar's persistence (actually the lawyer's and whom ever is bankrolling this crap).

Not everyone lives by your unethical standards.

I do not have a jailbroken iPhone, nor do I steal apps from Apple, nor do I download hacked copies on torrent. Throw rocks in your own glass house!

Dumb phuque. Cheating, lying and stealing are the business tactics of a lazy fool. I guess you are in good company if you support Piss-tar.
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When Apple get nailed for doing the same to Nokia, Kodak, Qualcomm and......

will you think the same..?
 
It's getting to the point that I no longer say I have to take a ****. I am going to start saying I have take a Pystar.
 
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