Psystar Releases 'Rebel EFI' Software to Enable Installation of Snow Leopard on PCs

[seashellz]

couldnt APPLE make a solid, basic version of 10 for PCs that would be twice as good as Windows and then REALLY start eating into MS marketshare;
IF they were worried that it would eat into HW sales-I think not-it might even drive them;
Still, the money to be made to selling to people who are sick of Windows but are required to use it would see an instant 10% gain marketshare gain overnight-getting APPLE to 20% and thats being conservative
and would easily offset any revenue declines

 

[Don.Key]

Yeah, that's what I was alluding to. But now that I go back and re-read the posts that generated my comment, I'm not even sure what Don.Key wants. My apologies for confusing the matter even further.

Simple...

2 x 30 Inch displays on one Apple.

Not apple cinema displays.

All my workstations have 2 x 30 inchers on them. Some also additional 21 inch as a sidekick.

 

[hugodrax]

I don't feel like reading through 20 pages, however here are my thoughts

1) Apple wouldn't be in this mess if they didn't convert over to Intel a few years ago. Snow Leopard would have been drastically coded differently to support IBM's cell processor. Now all that 3rd parties need to do is spoof a bios and ensure drivers are compatible.

and I would still be on a windows PC. Only reason I switched to Mac Pros was the Intel conversion. and I think the stats will confirm post intel switch apple has done much better.

 

[Don.Key]

Uh ? the iMacs have had Mini display port for a while. 27" is only required for Mini display port INPUT (using your Mac as a monitor).



Just get a screen of the same diagonal size with the same native resolution and then calibrate both using the same screen color calibrator. Why would they need to be identical ? Oh I know, just adding unnecessary requirements so you can make your otherwise ridiculous notion somehow seem valid.

Sorry, see nothing "ridiculous" in the desire to have two identical displays.

And if you really need that, the Mac Mini as already been pointed out, or you could you use something like Matrox's dualhead or triplehead products to output to both your "identical" monitors from the single display port on the iMac or on your Macbook.

Why do I have to buy additional product, which cannot even support Dual Link DVI when all I really need is a machine with a PCI-E Slot?

 

[Don.Key]

Psystar isn't a consumer, so what do consumer rights and individual usage have to do with anything?

There was a threat that Apple will get customer database from Psystar and hit on end users which purchased the product....

 

[Don.Key]

This is actually the funny part to me. Psystar has definitely been a part of the OSX86 community - hell, I'm using one of their kexts on my hackintosh. The idea that they can take a product born out of that environment, where files and software flow like water, and then sell it for money, is either the dumbest thing I've ever heard of or the ballsiest thing I've ever heard of. Possibly both.

I like Psystar. They are a company that is making an earnest effort to make a buck using methods that are probably highly illegal, and they just keep pushing. I feel like I'm cheering on modern day pirates. Sometimes the bad guys are so plucky and determined you can actually admire them for it.

Why dumbest? Many companies sell open source software forks for money... Hell even Apple.

I am quite aware that there is nothing new in that, all that is in Chamameleon, Boot 1-2-3 and whatanot, but friendly end user interface and thus - time saving is worth a bit of money.

Some of the the project parts can still be property of Psystar as long as no GPL code is involved in this particular part (Like updater or driver poller).

 

[Don.Key]

F*ckers.

I hope this becomes the most pirated thing on BitTorrent. So they leech off of OSX86 and yet want to make money off of it?
No way. Some of you are seriously standing by their decision to rip-off a FREE project to make some money to help finance their ever poorer pockets?

F*** off Psystar.

Did you get as aroused when you find out that Apple used BSD foundation in OSX?

Nothing wrong with taking Open Source code and selling it for money. As long as you comply to GPL.

 

[golimpio]

Did you get as aroused when you find out that Apple used BSD foundation in OSX?

Nothing wrong with taking Open Source code and selling it for money. As long as you comply to GPL.

If you use GPL in your system and redistribute it, you have to make the source code available for download (you can download the source code for Darwin from Apple).

I didn't see any source code for Psystar Rebel EFI available for download.

 

[lordmolotov]

I hear a lot of bitching and moaning and not a lot of out-of-the-box thinking!!

Instead of complaining how Psystar's ripping off Apple or whatever, why don't you talented, creative people put your heads together and actually BUILD SOMETHING BETTER THAN REBEL EFI!

If Chameleon and Boot-132 and all of the other techniques out there are so good together, and so many people have had success using one method or the other, why not make a simple, one-click (or two or three click) GUI that anybody can download and use?! Make it BETTER THAN REBEL EFI!

That way, we can say "F* u" to Psystar for charging for something that ought to be FREE to begin with!

--Molotov

 

[golimpio]

F*ckers.

I hope this becomes the most pirated thing on BitTorrent. So they leech off of OSX86 and yet want to make money off of it?
No way. Some of you are seriously standing by their decision to rip-off a FREE project to make some money to help finance their ever poorer pockets?

F*** off Psystar.

I can't agree more!

They are such a parasites!

 

[CQd44]

Who cares, most people buy Mac's because they aren't ugly bricks like PC's

I rather pay extra to get design and convenience, more or less the the hardware/software, because I know however much I pay 5x that for a PC I will never get the beauty that comes with a Mac.

This just in, mac users buy their computers based on how they look.

More at 11.

 

[JGowan]

I love it. If Apple's management would get their heads out of their you-know-whats, they'd drop that stupid license clause and would start to make some serious money with the mass of computer users.

Been there. Done that. Bought the t-shirt. Here's a history lesson. Take note...

"Soon after Steve Jobs returned to Apple, he backed out of recently renegotiated licensing deals with OS licensees that Apple executives complained were still financially unfavorable. Because the clonemakers' licenses were valid only for Apple's System 7 operating system, Apple's release of Mac OS 8 left the clone manufacturers without the ability to ship a current Mac OS version and effectively ended the cloning program. Apple bought Power Computing's Mac clone business for $100 million, ending the Clone era.

Jobs publicly stated that the program was ill-conceived and had been a result of "institutional guilt," meaning that for years, there had been a widely held belief at Apple that had the company aggressively pursued a legal cloning program early in the history of the Macintosh, consumers might have turned to low-priced Macintosh clones rather than low-priced IBM/PC-compatible computers. Had it pursued a clone program in the 1980s, in this view, Apple might have ended up in the position currently occupied by Microsoft-an extremely powerful company with high profit margins and a wide base of consumers perpetually dependent on its system software products. Jobs claimed it was now too late for this to happen, that the Mac clone program was doomed to failure from the start, and since Apple made money primarily by selling computer hardware, it ought not engage in a licensing program that would reduce its hardware sales." -- wiki Mac clone page

 

[Rondue]

psystar is doing me a favor, OSX86 is such a hack job. Back years ago when i had 36 straight hours to tinker with a computer id be upset as hell but today, no way.

they make it so you can just burn a disc and slap a leo disk in im all for it. I own several macs and paid for snow leo so im legit

 

[BaldiMac]

There was a threat that Apple will get customer database from Psystar and hit on end users which purchased the product....

There was no threat to the consumers in the way that you are implying. Apple is seeking a recall of all of the OS X systems sold by Psystar in their complaint.

 

[applecheese]

I just installed this on my brothers laptop. Works great

 

[CQd44]

psystar is doing me a favor, OSX86 is such a hack job. Back years ago when i had 36 straight hours to tinker with a computer id be upset as hell but today, no way.

they make it so you can just burn a disc and slap a leo disk in im all for it. I own several macs and paid for snow leo so im legit

It's not quite that simple. For example, try installing vanilla leopard on a computer with an AMD processor. It won't play nice.

Or any computer with an Intel 4500 GMA. There is currently no way to get QE working on that.

 

[pdjudd]

Simple...

2 x 30 Inch displays on one Apple.

Not apple cinema displays.

All my workstations have 2 x 30 inchers on them. Some also additional 21 inch as a sidekick.

You can do that on the mini - it has two video out ports.

 

[KnightWRX]

Sorry, see nothing "ridiculous" in the desire to have two identical displays.

Then explain why you need 2 identical monitors instead of just 2 same size monitors calibrated using the same tool to produce the same quality output.

Why do I have to buy additional product, which cannot even support Dual Link DVI when all I really need is a machine with a PCI-E Slot?

Oh so now it's 2 identical monitors that require dual link DVI . Funny how your argument changes as people point out its flaws.

 

[Don.Key]

You can do that on the mini - it has two video out ports.

No, looking at the specs, Mini cannot support Dual Link DVI on it's DVI port... Only on DisplayPort ( With converter )

Then explain why you need 2 identical monitors instead of just 2 same size monitors calibrated using the same tool to produce the same quality output.

I do not have to "explain" you anything, I have my reasons.

Oh so now it's 2 identical monitors that require dual link DVI . Funny how your argument changes as people point out its flaws.

See no flaws.

 

[KnightWRX]

I do not have to "explain" you anything, I have my reasons.

See no flaws.

Since you bashed Mac, you have to actually explain why it is that this "feature" you were bashing Macs for lacking is important. Otherwise, you're just a hater looking for a reaction and can be safely ignored.

 

[Don.Key]

If you use GPL in your system and redistribute it, you have to make the source code available for download (you can download the source code for Darwin from Apple).

I didn't see any source code for Psystar Rebel EFI available for download.

Then they ether will release it soon or really do not use any GPL code.

Bear in mind that all eyes will be over this product now, IF they use GPL code, it will come out rather sooner then later.

Until this is proven, accusations of Psystar violating oss licenses are groundless.

 

[bunty]

Will this let me install the Tom Tom OS on my Garmin?

 

[Lava Lamp Freak]

Then they ether will release it soon or really do not use any GPL code.

Bear in mind that all eyes will be over this product now, IF they use GPL code, it will come out rather sooner then later.

Until this is proven, accusations of Psystar violating oss licenses are groundless.

http://prasys.co.cc/2009/10/psystars-rebel-efi-is-evil/

It is copied from other sources, but they did add on a nice auto downloader for kexts. That part is original.

 

[pdjudd]

No, looking at the specs, Mini cannot support Dual Link DVI on it's DVI port... Only on DisplayPort ( With converter )

You are shifting the goalposts. You said in your original post:

Anyone who needs two or more identical screens on one machine is forced by Apple to buy Mac Pro, which is way...

Which is blatantly false as I and others have shown. You never qualified your terms up front, therefore your trying to cover the fact that you are wrong plain and simple. Face it. You are wrong. Qualifying terms ex post facto is a fallacious argument and is invalid.

 

[pdjudd]

Oh so now it's 2 identical monitors that require dual link DVI . Funny how your argument changes as people point out its flaws.

I called him out on shifting the goalposts. It doesn’t matter what we show him, he’s not going to admit he is wrong.