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Psystar to Challenge Mac OS X EULA?
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As will consumers. You guys make me sick at the level of brown nosing that goes on.Apple DOES have a monopoly in a weird sense. There are apps that I simply can not run on a PC simply due to artificial restrictions put in place by a draconian company.
Look at the Amiga OS, and the limits they were going to recently (until they suffered another bankruptcy) to make the new PPC OS run only on their blessed new modified Linux PPC-based Amiga One machines or the older upgraded Amiga.
Apple isn't the only one trying to limit their OS to their own boxes, however in the current market this does hold a company back.
But the Mac is a PC, and likely a reason Windows doesn't come as an option is because Apple doesn't want to support any OS but their own. Nor to they want to officially support any HW but their own.
They aren't stopping the end user from putting together a Hackintosh, but they are likely trying to keep companies from making a lot of money selling them.
Actually Ford and Chevy do care, they just make sure you notify you customer buying the vehicle that the warranty is 100% void.
Sort of like this...
The eBox is an electric conversion of the Scion xB 5-speed. AC Propulsion converts customer-owned xBs by removing the internal combustion engine and related components and installing the AC Propulsion electric drive system and battery. Every eBox is made to order from a Scion xB 5-speed supplied by the customer.
Limited Warranty One-year limited parts and labor warranty on all conversion systems. Scion factory warranty on rest of car may be void.
ford and chevy
so basically lets do this let compare it in real world terms.
ford and chevy both cars.
microsoft and apple both operating systems
i can put a ford motor in a chevy car with modifications
i can put a apple software on a pc with modifications
so why is it illegal for me to install mac on a pc when i can install a ford motor in a chevy car.
Ford doesn't care, chevy doesn't care.
Mac cares cause it takes away from thier monopoly.
so basically lets do this let compare it in real world terms.
ford and chevy both cars.
microsoft and apple both operating systems
i can put a ford motor in a chevy car with modifications
i can put a apple software on a pc with modifications
so why is it illegal for me to install mac on a pc when i can install a ford motor in a chevy car.
Ford doesn't care, chevy doesn't care.
Mac cares cause it takes away from thier monopoly.
The biggest joke here, that I can see, is the store page that Psystar has. I thought that I would take it far enough to see if it ever - or even if it would - kick over to SSL. Well, the first attempt confused the poor system so bad I couldn't believe it. I filled out some upgrades to the low end system, and went to the next page that showed what was in my cart, with a total price. No SSL yet.
Next page, enter personal info - no SSL here either. But, there was a recap of the shopping cart that had a price listed abput $145 higher than the previous page. ??? - WTF. So I backed up, made a change - well to make a longish story short, the system became so confused on what I wanted, that it finally showed me a price of $399 for a loaded low-end system. And don't even think that the show cart link will display anything similar to what you have seen so far!
I wonder where they ripped off this web site. This was my experience - your mileage may vary and contents may settle.
Next page, enter personal info - no SSL here either. But, there was a recap of the shopping cart that had a price listed abput $145 higher than the previous page. ??? - WTF. So I backed up, made a change - well to make a longish story short, the system became so confused on what I wanted, that it finally showed me a price of $399 for a loaded low-end system. And don't even think that the show cart link will display anything similar to what you have seen so far!
I wonder where they ripped off this web site. This was my experience - your mileage may vary and contents may settle.
As will consumers. You guys make me sick at the level of brown nosing that goes on.
It's not brown-nosing, it's just the facts. Apple sells a closed product. Don't like a closed product, then don't buy one. If Apple were the only seller on the block, then I could understand the monopoly criticisms. But they're not, there are other alternatives to computing. Apple isn't forcing anyone to use OSX and thus Apple hardware. You are free to choose any hardware you want. You just won't get OSX with it (unless you hack it).
Please people - get off the car analogy.
Your bought the car - you own it.
You don't buy Mac OS X - you license it - you don't own it.
if you don't like windows on a pc you can have linux but if you don't like the hardware a mac poseses you can't buy different hardware and run it on that cause apple says so that is monopoly if ever i heard one.
Surely something has to be hacked or modified for this to work. Is there any legality issue in that?
Besides... what hell a system that may fail at any moment with even the slightest update would be.
It's called playing it safe. Why tread in uncertain waters for the sake of distributing information you can find in five hundred thousand other locations?
Especially people who don't speak english.
Besides... what hell a system that may fail at any moment with even the slightest update would be.
It's called playing it safe. Why tread in uncertain waters for the sake of distributing information you can find in five hundred thousand other locations?
Especially people who don't speak english.
I think its like installing 10.2 on a Honda and then calling it a jag.
Seriously though if David beats Goliath we reap the benefits. If they are still around in a month, I am in!
Not so fast. IIRC the Mac Pro is the only Mac without the embedded TMP Chip. All Apple has to do is add the TMP module to the Mac Pro plus encrypt the .kexts (especially the "dontstealosx.kext") and this will quickly go away as a business proposition.
Yes HackIntoshes will still be around, but will require active code hacking instead of simple EFI emulation and .kext removals, but I think Apple could defend against this in court.
Well, should this company succeed, the next step is for Apple to burn their OS into a chip (flash or something) that makes it PART of the computer instead of a separate system.
Getting around that would be like Ford saying that they should have access to Toyota's ignition chip because it should be open technology.
It's times like these...
That I'm glad Apple doesn't always listen to their end-users. Otherwise they would sink themselves by listening to stupid people telling them to allow OSX to run on non-Macs so they could save a little money...
PS
"Loose" is not the same as "lose" - one is an adjective (often describing, for example, baggy clothing), the other is a verb (in this case describing defeat). I've read that enough times in this thread that it's driving me crazy.
That I'm glad Apple doesn't always listen to their end-users. Otherwise they would sink themselves by listening to stupid people telling them to allow OSX to run on non-Macs so they could save a little money...
PS
"Loose" is not the same as "lose" - one is an adjective (often describing, for example, baggy clothing), the other is a verb (in this case describing defeat). I've read that enough times in this thread that it's driving me crazy.
Windows is a crap OS, they NEED to run on anything, it's their business model. They killed of BeOS with ruthless tactics, if this wasn't their business model, BeOS would have probably taken off. Other companies would go with BeOS or a windows themed Linux. Windows would die off.
A mac user chooses to use OS X, 90% of Windows user get Windows by default.
It's called capitalism. Apple can sell you an OS that only runs on macs, MS can't.
This is an easy case for Apple to win. Mac OS is NOT an open OS. This means that when you purchase it, you are bound to the contract you have accepted in the EULA. Mac OS is to only be installed on Apple branded hardware. Don't like it, get Windows or Linux or something else. As for "Robert's" analogy of Honda, it was poor. Honda doesn't build the roads or cars for specific roads. And even if they did, you can choose not to buy the brand. Clearly Apple doesn't have the problem of consumers shopping elsewhere as their market-share continues to increase. TAKE PSYSTAR DOWN QUICK SO WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO DISCUSS!!
I think what we are seeing is a gamble. These guys are simply betting. They have likely worked out the odds. Like in lotto or horse racing you do not need for the dds to be in your favor. If they think they have a one in five chance of winning and they think the payoff is much better than one to five then it is a smart bet. Make enough of those kinds of bets and you make good money.
I'm 100% sure they want Apple to sue them. Heck they've almost put up a sign "Sue Me". They are attempting to force a definitive resolution to the limits of what is reasonable to place in a EULA. No matter what hapens this will be good. I'd like to see this resolved
If you think about it, it is silly that Apple can think a contract hidden inside a box is binding. Especially one where the user has no option to decline and rturn the product. Apple has a good chance of loosing this.
No, let me re-state that. Apple WILL LOOSE in at least several states and countries. All pystar needs is just one "win" in maybe France or some place in Asia and they will have a nice profitable market.
I'm 100% sure they want Apple to sue them. Heck they've almost put up a sign "Sue Me". They are attempting to force a definitive resolution to the limits of what is reasonable to place in a EULA. No matter what hapens this will be good. I'd like to see this resolved
If you think about it, it is silly that Apple can think a contract hidden inside a box is binding. Especially one where the user has no option to decline and rturn the product. Apple has a good chance of loosing this.
No, let me re-state that. Apple WILL LOOSE in at least several states and countries. All pystar needs is just one "win" in maybe France or some place in Asia and they will have a nice profitable market.
dumbest logic
This is the dumbest logic I have ever heard! This would be as good as some of the idiots that get caught for stupidity in an episode of CSI. I hope they get burned for trying to bend the law to benefit themselves.
"What if Honda said that, after you buy their car, you could only drive it on the roads they said you could?"
This is the dumbest logic I have ever heard! This would be as good as some of the idiots that get caught for stupidity in an episode of CSI. I hope they get burned for trying to bend the law to benefit themselves.
"What if Honda said that, after you buy their car, you could only drive it on the roads they said you could?"
i didn't buy a license in the first place i bought software. I hate they use the word licensing even microsoft no longer calls it licensing cause that was illegal cause they are selling a product. I own windows that i bought on a disc. So in all reality if microsoft licenses there software to the end user they can run it on what ever hardware they like. And they can't tell someone that you can't buy a system pre loaded. You might just pay more as that company has not signed up to get the huge discounts for being a microsoft reseller. So in all truthfulness get off being a fan boy and look at the reality of the situation apple has become the next microsoft and the next monopoly.
In a weird sense, I think it is strange that PS3 consoles can't play Wii games, VHS players can't play Betamax movies and my DVD player can't access Blu-Ray.
Duh!
the problem is I can pick up either of those for less then even the cheapest Mac. There is easily a barrier to entry in the Mac world.
you can choose to buy a pc with no operating system people don't cause the software they want comes ready to be run on windows. They can't run that software on linux(except if they figure out how to run wine ) not for the average joe. You choose to run any operating system. Apples os is opensource there gui is not opensource. Remember based on debian linux (darwin is based on debian linux)
in regards to beos the one thing that kept that back and the same for everyother operating system is thirdparty software guess what people program for apple or windows that is it the rest is opensource programmers trying to be better thaan everyone else
Why do people act so surprised Apple's OS and Mac are tied together? Has it changed since day one? It has been over 20 years... is it gonna click with anyone that Apple build the full widget. They are a one stop shop for a computer. No decisions to be made.
You get a Macintosh Computer with a Macintosh OS.
What is underneath the hood is for the geeks and nerds out there. Apple wants to sell to the crowd who could care less where the processor comes from, or what is under the hood.
If you don't like Apple's methods... don't buy one.
You get a Macintosh Computer with a Macintosh OS.
What is underneath the hood is for the geeks and nerds out there. Apple wants to sell to the crowd who could care less where the processor comes from, or what is under the hood.
If you don't like Apple's methods... don't buy one.
I don't like this at all.
Part of what makes the Mac so great is the marriage of hardware and software. I don't think that Apple is served well at all by having their software hijacked by some two bit company with no respect for the EULA. Allowing clone makers at this time, would hurt Apple considerably.
Part of what makes the Mac so great is the marriage of hardware and software. I don't think that Apple is served well at all by having their software hijacked by some two bit company with no respect for the EULA. Allowing clone makers at this time, would hurt Apple considerably.