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wait, do you really think it's the OS supplier who writes hardware drivers for other people's devices?

LOL


hahahahahaha

Do you really think it would be better to rely on the device makers to do so??

That's a major part of MS' problems. Enter Vista.

No control over your OS and its drivers means others can dictate the experience on Lord knows how many combinations of hardware. Welcome to Microsoft.
 
An action can be illegal in and of itself. You do not need a court decision. If a person were to go and rob a bank, it would be illegal even if the person is never caught.

Psystar is obviously in breach of contract. Read the SLA. They are violating it. Unless they can prove that the contract provisions are illegal or unconscionable, they are in trouble. I've yet to see anyone specify any such provisions in the SLA.

But see, this interpretation is not for you and I. It's for the court to decide.
 
Do you really think it would be better to rely on the device makers to do so??

That's a major part of MS' problems. Enter Vista.

No control over your OS and its drivers means others can dictate the experience on Lord knows how many combinations of hardware. Welcome to Microsoft.
Apple has just as many problems with their hardware/software combo as well. Enter iMac 24" 4850.
 
I don't think some of you understand the pain involved with installing "hackintosh" on a PC. First of all, unless your notebook has a supported graphic/sound/ethernet/wireless card etc. with OSX, you're paddling up stream. The hardware compatibility is ridiculous, and you're lucky if you have a perfectly working hackintosh setup on a notebook. What most people tell you is how they successfully installed it, but don't mention the fact that half of it's just to look at and rather useless. There's people out there devoted to developing homemade drivers for hardware that they don't even own, just to help other people out. A desktop is another story. After swapping my network and sound card on an old dimension desktop, I had Tiger running like the real thing.
 
If apple had more than a handful of videocards to support the iMacs would just start to explode as you plug them in. I suppose its a good thing that Apple only supports a few pieces of hardware, its the only thing that keeps their computers in somewhat working order.

I don't think some of you understand the pain involved with installing "hackintosh" on a PC.
I dont understand the pain. Probably because there wasnt any. I researched for 20 minutes, bought my parts, and had OSX running perfectly as soon as i finished installing.
I got a hold of a Dell XPS420 (which i hadnt really looked into much before getting, tbh) and had OSX running perfectly after about 10 minutes of work following the install. Blue-tooth/card reader, firewire, videocard, sound (kinda, had to install an old SB Live! card i had laying around), and everything else perfect.
 
If apple had more than a handful of videocards to support the iMacs would just start to explode as you plug them in. I suppose its a good thing that Apple only supports a few pieces of hardware, its the only thing that keeps their computers in somewhat working order.

That's why Apple should have a mid-range tower with a bigger option for video cards. The Mac Pro has a laughable GPU selection. It's a joke.
 
Wouldnt adding more options just exacerbate the fact that apple cant even support their own hardware?

How is it that we can reply to you if the hardware we bought from Apple isn't supported under their OS ?

I'm pretty sure there's a fix out for the 4850 issues on iMacs. No one is perfect.
 
There is a market for people who actually prefer fewer choices when making a purchase, as much as that seems like it would surprise you.

Yes, but the general excuse for less choice is:

1. Easier to support (which obviously is not the case, see 4850)

2. The general public is stupid (i prefer not to be insulted by a company i am sending thousands of dollars)


Now, about point 1, i dont expect Apple to be perfect, that would be ridiculous. I expect the fanboys here to admit that their "less choice is bettorz!" argument is not completely valid.
 
reading that report on gizimodo i dont think i would want to put my trust in a company that supposedly has no record (physical, or digital) of my transaction.. Theres about as much to go wrong there as a saturn 5 rocket launching off!!

I mean if people want to in theory break the EULA by buying these Psystar things then fair enough, but this operation is still extremely extremely weak, and patchy, and shady, and wrong in pretty much every way possible!

What i found quite annoying was the guys who run this shambles of a company, are having a laugh about it, pretending as if nothing is wrong with what they are doing!! Its despicable, really is :(:mad:
 
Okay, I'm curious, why do you think it's going to be complete rubbish? There are already a number of OS X compatible netbooks out there that are being run on a daily basis and work perfectly. Granted it's always possible that an OS X upgrade will break it but I really can't see any reason why, for example, 10.5.6 in its current state (which does work perfectly) isn't more than good enough as there's no show stoppers or missing functionality. The hardware works well, is snappy in use, feels just as good as a regular Mac in terms of performance and performs as well, if not better, than a netbook with a Windows install on it.

You guys need to get out more. LOL. Anywho, at osx86 they now have a kittke script efi file that emulates the retail disk. While I did this hack once, I had to edit next, plist and device files. Apparently, you don't have to do this anymore, just run the script and you can now download updates. It's getting easier, not harder to install these days.

Agree agree agree.

Remember when one to one was fcp or motion?? Now the trainers dint even know it. It's all iLife training fir barking dig elderly email attachments.

Spokes idea if a netbook is the overpriced air. Now it's sellingfir$999

All other devices are under powered mobile parts. The mac pro is over priced by dewing, ecc, non i7 machines. A hack can be made for 1/4 the price. Screw apple. They screwed the pro user and focused on mobile me Teo tag iLife iPhone camping trips in Rome. Yeah right.


Go pystar. Glad to see the hack getting all the support. I am a pro user not a fan boy rainbow jobs can do no wrong. He's dine plenty wring and a lot are over priced margins with gifts in one to one iLife trainers who make about minium wage.

Okay, I'm curious, why do you think it's going to be complete rubbish? There are already a number of OS X compatible netbooks out there that are being run on a daily basis and work perfectly. Granted it's always possible that an OS X upgrade will break it but I really can't see any reason why, for example, 10.5.6 in its current state (which does work perfectly) isn't more than good enough as there's no show stoppers or missing functionality. The hardware works well, is snappy in use, feels just as good as a regular Mac in terms of performance and performs as well, if not better, than a netbook with a Windows install on it.

I couldn't agree more.



Nope, still legal, until the justice system decides. We are not yet at the point where companies pass laws.
 
Agree agree agree.

Remember when one to one was fcp or motion?? Now the trainers dint even know it. It's all iLife training fir barking dig elderly email attachments.

Spokes idea if a netbook is the overpriced air. Now it's sellingfir$999

All other devices are under powered mobile parts. The mac pro is over priced by dewing, ecc, non i7 machines. A hack can be made for 1/4 the price. Screw apple. They screwed the pro user and focused on mobile me Teo tag iLife iPhone camping trips in Rome. Yeah right.


Go pystar. Glad to see the hack getting all the support. I am a pro user not a fan boy rainbow jobs can do no wrong. He's dine plenty wring and a lot are over priced margins with gifts in one to one iLife trainers who make about minium wage.

:confused: Its all giberish?

One too many Jag-Bombs? ;) :p
 
Don't forget though much revenue from iPhones and iPods and lots if switchers. Vista bombed. Win 7 will not. Now add millions of expired contracts, iPhone, air macbookoro over priced andnetbook will kill something, that IT will upgrade to win 7, palm and flash which = great he streaming, see MLB.com, much better than apple tv, hulu. I see a motif problems fir apple.

To pystar.
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Absolutely great post. Few people who complain around here about Apple understand this, or understand what Apple's business model is. Apple's quarterly reports the last several years tell me that millions do get it, are willing to pay more for high value, and that Apple has found a very profitable, sustainable market segment.

Do you really think it would be better to rely on the device makers to do so??

That's a major part of MS' problems. Enter Vista.

No control over your OS and its drivers means others can dictate the experience on Lord knows how many combinations of hardware. Welcome to Microsoft.

Actually that's not as true anymore. Case point. Vista windows had xp 98 several severs. Now it will be one os. In terms if hardware. Only a few make north south chipsets. FireWire chips and so on. My biggest pet peeve is all the under powered mobile parts in apple and the ecc memory non i7 mac pro when apple could have made them cheaper plus if course the terrible gpu offerings without costing $500-1000 for a great graphic card. When it come to hackntish, the you wins every time and a i7 8 core macho e with a open gl you of you choice will run circles around a mac pro. Apple is behind the times in terms if computing and now that all the switchers are tech saavy, apple won't get away with it much longer.

Might be better? It is. Thses days you can run a script I a hack and get all apple updates. No more editing next files plusbyou can use a $300 graphic card that outs all of apple cars to shake and run motion and AE 10x better. Add some i7 CPUs and your rocking with a pro audio video rig.
NO, what some of us want is for Apple to let us use the same bloody hardware they use to build our own machines. This is, basically, what the Hackintosh projects do and would be almost trivial for Apple to do if they wished it. The drivers already exist, it would be simple for a dedicated range of 'mac compatible' motherboards to be made that do Windows, OS X and (dare I say) Linux.

Again, no-one's saying 'give us a million and one choices of hardware ala Windows'. But OS X fundamentally is an X86 operating system these days, there's no reason from a technical standpoint why it wouldn't work just as well on a third party system provided the third party used recognised components and official Apple drivers. Heck, it may even be better if it can avoid some of the quality issues that Apple have experienced over the last few years.
 
Do you really think it would be better to rely on the device makers to do so??

That is how the rest of the world works. If you want to sell a gadget, you write the drivers for it. If you pay MS for the required licenses and follow their guidelines, they'll give you a nice "works in Windows" sticker for your boxes.

Now our friends at Apple inc. they don't provide any help to anybody (i think) for producing motherboards like those they use for their own machines. If motherboard maker x asked Apple to give them guidelines, SDK, specifications, licenses to help them in making a OS X compatible board, Apple would probably decline.
In the Linux world, this is what happens in many cases, and the drivers are produced by way of guessing and reverse-engineering. When a manufacturer who does not want to produce Linux drivers for their widget discloses specifications, instructions or source code for their windows drivers, what normally happens is that someone picks this up, writes drivers and voilá - hardware works nicely.
If you take all that into consideration and see how well PC hardware integrates, you'll certainly understand why the major problems with Vista and the PC world outside of Apple are not caused by "too many hardware combinations".

However, if you still doubt that this is the way the world works, here's a suggestion: call Apple and ask them nicely to write drivers for some gadget that is currently not working in OS X (try a Lexmark printer instead of a no-name thing). They'll explain this better than I can.
 
you do realize that there is no use buying ANY Phystar crap because when apple wins this lawsuit they are going to make Phystar recall ALL sold products and therefore you will have to give it back LOL

just cant wait until Phystar gets smashed!!!!
just like many can't wait fir paranoid jobs steps down and leave for good. And it will be for good. Bye bye jobs and your paranoid ways. I read a book about marketing and bad bosses. One kist ten things a bad bids dies, eg, belittle the compition, hello, mac ads, every single one described Steve Jobs. He is a sweater wearing pin head that treats his employees bad, craps in the retail staff, pays them minium wage and nothing for them ifthey sell millions of dollars in product with no apple care and caters to iPhone mommies, chinese I need fiii I phone crowd, while nine of the trainers now now pro apps, it's all iLife and mobile loser me.

Can't wait for him to be gone for good. Perhaps Ives will step in and the marketing will have the balls to call it like it is and start building cutting edge computers and not ovrroriced on oupoee propriitary ECC memory, server CPUs on desk top when the i7s are just fine and cheaper with better graphics cards that don't cost $700 dollars.
 
just like many can't wait fir paranoid jobs steps down and leave for good. And it will be for good. Bye bye jobs and your paranoid ways. I read a book about marketing and bad bosses. One kist ten things a bad bids dies, eg, belittle the compition, hello, mac ads, every single one described Steve Jobs. He is a sweater wearing pin head that treats his employees bad, craps in the retail staff, pays them minium wage and nothing for them ifthey sell millions of dollars in product with no apple care and caters to iPhone mommies, chinese I need fiii I phone crowd, while nine of the trainers now now pro apps, it's all iLife and mobile loser me.

Can't wait for him to be gone for good. Perhaps Ives will step in and the marketing will have the balls to call it like it is and start building cutting edge computers and not ovrroriced on oupoee propriitary ECC memory, server CPUs on desk top when the i7s are just fine and cheaper with better graphics cards that don't cost $700 dollars.


Why? to satisfy the minority of the minority that posts on Macrumors, or AppleInsider, or (insert name of Apple fansite)?

It's one thing to explore ways in which Apple can improve, even though their business model is the most successful out there, even though their notebooks are the most successful and coveted out there, even though their customers are the most satisfeid out there, even though their OS sets the standard - repeatedly, year after year . . . still, there is always room for improvement. But let's not go overboard in trying to somehow emulate Microsoft or other PC makers. MS is NOT an example for anything except how to destroy your credibility and churn out derivative products year after year and get away with such mediocrity thanks to licensing.

Microsoft does not have Apple’s audience of sophisticated consumers, and it’s ridiculous that the company keeps trying to pretend that it does. Microsoft serves an installed base of cheapskates through a blackmailed array of PC hardware companies who are forbidden from selling alternative software by exclusive licensing contracts. It also services, at very high cost to companies, a large number of corporate cube-holders who have no voice in the technology decisions forced upon them by corporate IT drones. Microsoft's consumer failure is only going to get worse. And there are a lot of poor bastards out there who have no choice but to stay on board. My heart goes out to them, and we'll keep the lifelines out for when they can jump ship.

We should be thankful for Steve Jobs. And some of you really, really need to stop being so cheap, and understand that in the Apple world, hardware and software work a bit differently, and that "cutting-edge" will never trump the Art of Usability. Nor should it.

Given what else is out there, an OS you can use every day, on which it is a pleasure to do your work, on attractive hardware that is reasonably fast, is pretty cutting-edge already, given what the alternatives are: Windows on generic PCs. Perhaps that isn't saying a whole lot. But for the majority of Apple's market that's plenty.

Or maybe having "cutting-edge" hardware on which you can play Crysis in Windows under Bootcamp, or for the sole purpose of boasting that you simply have a CoreI7-Extreme-Ultra-GX5000 in order to make the socially maladjusted basement shut-in next door cry even harder, really is more important than whatever benefits we already enjoy and will enjoy from Macs and OS X in the future. Which would be sad indeed.

Vista is on the shelves right now, waiting for you, in whatever condition. And Windows 7 is just around the corner. Now might be a great time for some of you to switch to uh . . . see what you've been missing. :D
 
Yes, but the general excuse for less choice is:

1. Easier to support (which obviously is not the case, see 4850)

2. The general public is stupid (i prefer not to be insulted by a company i am sending thousands of dollars)


Now, about point 1, i dont expect Apple to be perfect, that would be ridiculous. I expect the fanboys here to admit that their "less choice is bettorz!" argument is not completely valid.

It must really drive you nuts to see the millions of people flocking to the "less choice" of Macs and loving it, thus dispelling your biased view.

That is how the rest of the world works. If you want to sell a gadget, you write the drivers for it.

Which actually makes 3 parties responsible for the end user experience: the gadget maker/driver writer, the computer maker, and Microsoft for the OS. I've personally experienced the ping-pong match that ensues with finger pointing and calls to multiple india-based tech support places to try to get an issue resolved. With Apple, there is one party responsible, and a short drive to the genius bar to get an issue resolved. Apple's strategy is all encompassing: hardware, software and support all working together for a superior user experience. I for one really appreciate that approach.
 
I expect the fanboys here to admit that their "less choice is bettorz!" argument is not completely valid.
By forcing myself to cut down on the amount of stuff I own, I cut out the stuff that I’m ambivalent about. By embracing minimalism, I cut out everything but what I really love.

I remember reading Little House in the Big Woods as a child, and I remember reading about Laura and her doll, Charlotte. Laura LOVED Charlotte. I think she loved her so much because Charlotte was her only doll. Charlotte was precious. Charlotte was special. How many things do I own that I consider to be truly special? My photographs are special. Everything else? Not so much.

Though I doubt I have it in me to become truly minimalist, I am setting a goal for getting rid of stuff. Cutting my things to what I really use and love lends itself to my quest to live a more frugal life. So by the end of the year, I will go through every room in my house and get rid of what I don’t use or love. And to be really frugal, I’ll sell what I can and put it toward my debt.

Same thing with my Mac.

If I bring less stuff home, I don’t have as much opportunity to waste. I really try hard not to waste anyway, but sometimes that’s hard in a cluttered home. If the refrigerator or freezer gets cluttered, I forget what I have, and sometimes the yogurt hiding behind the milk goes bad.

The same goes for clothes. If I own the minimal amount of clothing I need to get by, I’m not likely to forget about an outfit hanging at the back of the closet. I can’t count how many times that happened when my daughter was a baby. She had so many baby clothes, that I’d forget exactly what she had. Then I’d pull out an outfit, only to find that she had outgrown it already.

Same thing with my Mac.

Minimalism appeals to me, because it makes me focus on what I truly love and need.
 
Someone said i have a biased view (too lazy to look for it, lol). Yes, i am biased toward the idea that consumers are smarter at choosing what they need than corporations are. You seem to be biased toward the idea that apple knows more than everyone else about what is best for their computing needs. You cant call me biased without recognizing your own bias, which in turn renders the point moot.

By forcing myself to cut down on the amount of stuff I own, I cut out the stuff that I’m ambivalent about. By embracing minimalism, I cut out everything but what I really love.

Thats not the same thing as less choice. Just because you consume less doesnt mean you have less options, you just choose fewer of those options and you pick which one is best for your needs instead of being excessive. This is why choice is a good thing. It allows a customer to get exactly what they need at a fair price. For a large amount of people, spending 1200 on the baseline macbook is overkill because they can sit in starbucks and type up a screenplay using a $700 lenovo and get the same results.
 
Someone said i have a biased view (too lazy to look for it, lol). Yes, i am biased toward the idea that consumers are smarter at choosing what they need than corporations are. You seem to be biased toward the idea that apple knows more than everyone else about what is best for their computing needs. You cant call me biased without recognizing your own bias, which in turn renders the point moot.

So you're saying anyone who chooses Apple products is not smart enough to know to choose what they need.

And then you expect to not be labeled a troll on here.

Good game sir, good game.
 
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