Purpose of the ignore lists? (Why can't we ignore a moderator?) [MERGED]

[44267547]

I wonder how many ignores that it takes to fill up the list?.

The maximum is 1000 members can be ignored. It’s a Xenoforo limitation.

I guess everyone has their reasons to ignore people, but after thinking about it, I am wondering what these reasons are.

There is no definitive answer to this. I would say the main reason is, simply people tend to be polar opposite‘s and they’re not going to agree one way or the other for XYZ reasons, therefore the best way to Shun that person if they frequent the same forum, is to use the ignore functionality. Does it serve its purpose? On this website, I think it does. Because it basically allows you to not even know that member exists when using the ignore feature, unless you so choose to display their information with ‘Show Ignored Users content.’

If the ignore feature's main purpose is to block people with different opinions, why even be a member of a forum..

It’s not so much necessarily a matter of different opinions, some members still want to read and participate discussing content with others without having to see the another poster’s drivel/‘Consistent Bad attitude’ or simply, the other member being ignored, is looking to be intentionally disruptive regardless of what the discussion is. I would rather have the option of having the ignore feature, versus _not_ having it at all regardless of someone’s else's opinion.

 

[0388631]

Simplest method is to not quote mods or engage in discussion with them or disable notifications when you get quoted. Or simply leave.

 

[Juicy Box]

If the ignore feature's main purpose is to block people with different opinions, why even be a member of a forum.

It’s not so much necessarily a matter of different opinions, some members still want to read and participate discussing content with others without having to see the another poster’s drivel/‘Consistent Bad attitude’

You are making my point for me here.

If you eliminate the type of behavior that is already not allowed in the forum, such as trolling, spam, frivolous, etc. posts, do you think the member that is being ignored would described their content as drivel?

Or is it the content isn't what people want to read, and that is why it is being ignored.

I would rather have the option of having the ignore feature, versus _not_ having it at all regardless of someone’s else's opinion.

There is a method in place to report people that are not following forum rules, and if there is a post that gets ignored that falls outside of those violations, I suspect it has more to do with content, than attitude.

Maybe you are correct, and there are situations that a post conforms to all rules of the forum, but is pointlessly disruptive drivel. In this case, ignore would be appropriate.

To be honest, I would have never had an opinion on this subject until reading the conversation that was linked in the first post. I didn't see anything wrong with the conversation, other than it has very contrasting views on the subject. Due to the contrasting views, someone wants to ignore the member's content. The only reason I could think of is that there is a difference in opinion and someone doesn't want to see it.

 

[Martyimac]

Being on other forums with an ignore function, I find them to be worth it. If I put a user on ignore, it's usually because they are abusive, rude, trolling, or just spoiling for a fight. I don't ignore folks I disagree with just because I disagree. That wouldn't be very smart because then I would never see another side to a discussion and there are times that info has been introduced into a thread that I initially either didn't like, or didn't know but came to accept my lack of knowledge about the topic and changed my opinion.
And to put a mod on ignore is like taking a referee out of the ring. Not going to happen, and shouldn't.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Being on other forums with an ignore function, I find them to be worth it. If I put a user on ignore, it's usually because they are abusive, rude, trolling, or just spoiling for a fight. I don't ignore folks I disagree with just because I disagree. That wouldn't be very smart because then I would never see another side to a discussion and there are times that info has been introduced into a thread that I initially either didn't like, or didn't know but came to accept my lack of knowledge about the topic and changed my opinion.
And to put a mod on ignore is like taking a referee out of the ring. Not going to happen, and shouldn't.

An excellent, thoughtful and well argued post, and not only because I happen to agree with it.

 

[willmtaylor]

Being on other forums with an ignore function, I find them to be worth it. If I put a user on ignore, it's usually because they are abusive, rude, trolling, or just spoiling for a fight. I don't ignore folks I disagree with just because I disagree. That wouldn't be very smart because then I would never see another side to a discussion and there are times that info has been introduced into a thread that I initially either didn't like, or didn't know but came to accept my lack of knowledge about the topic and changed my opinion.
And to put a mod on ignore is like taking a referee out of the ring. Not going to happen, and shouldn't.

But in this metaphor, the referees are volunteers and also players in the game you’re playing.

 

[44267547]

Being on other forums with an ignore function, I find them to be worth it. If I put a user on ignore, it's usually because they are abusive, rude, trolling, or just spoiling for a fight. I don't ignore folks I disagree with just because I disagree. That wouldn't be very smart because then I would never see another side to a discussion and there are times that info has been introduced into a thread that I initially either didn't like, or didn't know but came to accept my lack of knowledge about the topic and changed my opinion.
And to put a mod on ignore is like taking a referee out of the ring. Not going to happen, and shouldn't.

Two points in relation to yours:

1.) What I do, sometimes with certain posters, is if they are to a point that are obnoxious, disruptive, intentionally being negative, I place them on a ‘temporary ignore’ basis until I feel the need to remove them later, basically, it creates a separation of where I don’t have to know they exist and I don’t have come across their juvenile behavior. My system works, and if they continue being disruptive, they remain their permanently. (I know a few other members who use my method, and it seemingly works for them.)

2.) Even if I had the option of ignoring a moderator, I wouldn’t. A lot of them actually engage in the community with members on ‘tech topics’, and I think that they should, that way it doesn’t emphasize that they can’t be approachable, when they should be. Throughout this website, you will hear that word commonly used, ‘Community’, and I think that’s how it should be for everyone alike, not just moderators or administrators, they are simply people who are interested in all the same things we are, but they have different responsibilities to keep their website efficient and regulated, and I support there roles, they do a nice job here all around.

 

[Juicy Box]

If I put a user on ignore, it's usually because they are abusive, rude, trolling, or just spoiling for a fight.

The ignore feature shouldn't be used in most of these cases, although I am sure plenty of people use it for that.

The report feature should be utilized for for this type of behavior.

Which brings us back to the thought I had, what is the point of ignore except to ignore content that doesn't want to be seen?
[doublepost=1549645269][/doublepost]

And to put a mod on ignore is like taking a referee out of the ring. Not going to happen, and shouldn't.

I agree when it comes to moderator-related content.

But, I do understand the OP's opinion on the matter when it comes to the personal, non-mod-related content.

Although, I do question ignoring the mod based on the example of the content given, as I didn't see anything wrong with a back-and-forth of ideas and opinions on a topic.

 

[Martyimac]

The ignore feature shouldn't be used in most of these cases, although I am sure plenty of people use it for that.

The report feature should be utilized for for this type of behavior.

Which brings us back to the thought I had, what is the point of ignore except to ignore content that doesn't want to be seen?

Agreed, but if the mods, and not referring specifically to MR, don't do something about it, then the ignore list comes into play.

 

[Juicy Box]

Agreed, but if the mods, and not referring specifically to MR, don't do something about it, then the ignore list comes into play.

Good point, I forgot you stated:

Being on other forums with an ignore function

I think the MR Mods do an excellent job went it comes to reporting, but other forums, not so much.

 

[Queen6]

This is correct, we need to be able to post Moderator Notes in the forums which can be read by all members and when we issue reminders and suspensions the notifications are send as Conversation Messages, which would not be received by the member if the moderator was on their ignore list.


If you want to ignore someone on a forum I would suggest you stop quoting and replying to their posts because your responses are keeping the conversation going.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/i-have-macbookfear.2168166/page-6#post-27063872
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/i-have-macbookfear.2168166/page-6#post-27063503
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/i-have-macbookfear.2168166/page-7#post-27067181


You will have to wait for @arn to reply as I'm not sure how this would be possible to implement.

Any chance we can reinstate the "down vote" seriously so ? Why not let the community decide, as that's what MR is all about...

I'm fully prepared to "live by the sword, die by the sword, what we don't need is nonsense like this By default opinions will differ. Many professional's are significantly impacted by Apple's current direction and we too need a "voice" MR is the last bastion, don't let it be the "Swan Song" of the Mac, we that produce, deliver, accomplish and far more, rely on impartial commentary...

FYI I don't block anyone as we are all entitled to our own opinions, and that is what makes MR what it is, open & diverse I frequently don't agree, equally I would fight tenaciously for the right & freedom for members to do so...

Q-6

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Any chance we can reinstate the "down vote" seriously so ? Why not let the community decide, as that's what MR is all about...

I'm fully prepared to "live by the sword, die by the sword, what we don't need is nonsense like this By default opinions will differ. Many professional's are significantly impacted by Apple's current direction and we too need a "voice" MR is the last bastion, don't let it be the "Swan Song" of the Mac, we that produce, deliver, accomplish and far more, rely on impartial commentary...

FYI I don't block anyone as we are all entitled to our own opinions, and that is what makes MR what it is, open & diverse I frequently don't agree, equally I would fight tenaciously for the right & freedom for members to do so...

Q-6

While it existed, from what I could see, the down vote only served to intensify an extraordinarily negative atmosphere on some threads.

 

[Plutonius]

Any chance we can reinstate the "down vote" seriously so ? Why not let the community decide, as that's what MR is all about...

I liked the down vote but I can see where it might cause issues.

 

[SDColorado]

... what we don't need is nonsense like this By default opinions will differ.

FYI I don't block anyone as we are all entitled to our own opinions ...
Q-6

^^^ This. The forum guidelines state "Be willing to engage in fact-based, constructive debate. Look for ways to inform and learn from others." Blocking users simply because their opinions in a particular discussion vary from your own, would preclude that last part of that.

A better idea, if you really don't want to read negative posts pertaining to Apple products would probably be to avoid threads such as #MacbBookFear or the Gen. 3 keyboard discussion, because those threads by nature are going to have posts from customers who are frustrated, upset, disgruntled, etc.

The choice is always there to deal with the content and context of a thread or avoid visiting it. Wading into #MacBookFear as a fan of Apple or the MacBook is kind of like being a cat lover, deciding you are going to visit a thread titled "Dogs Rule, Cats Suck" and then putting everyone on "ignore" who posts an anti-cat sentiment.

I have yet to add anyone to my "ignore" list. Some people I may choose not to engage with on all topics, but I won't ignore them.

I also liked the downvote, but more and more forums are moving away from it. Maybe it is for the better? Dunno.

Having been a forum moderator and current admin for a site, I appreciate the mods and staff. It is a volunteer job that is mostly thankless and more often than not they are placed in a "damned if they do, damned if they don't" position in everyone's eyes.

 

[Michael Goff]

I do have to wonder how some people think a "block when it's personal and not when it's official business" idea would even work.

 

[annk]

From my experience, moderators tend to "look out for their own" and in gray areas it will likely be decided that the mod is innocent. At least this is the way it was when I served as moderator for a few other sites.. it's one of the reasons I resigned.

That's not at all the way it is here. The system here is transparent. All moderation is visible to all staff members, and complaints are reviewed by administrators. The atmosphere backstage here is such that staff members aren't threatened if their moderation needs to be overturned. When we're in doubt, we strive to err in favor of the user. We're lucky, we can discuss and learn from each other.

You've been a user here for only a few months, so I understand how you easily could be influenced by your own experience on other sites. I'm sorry your experience was so bad that it caused you to resign, and I encourage you to reserve judgement now that you're here.

I would echo the advice given earlier in this thread: if any user's posts tend to upset you, just don't read them. The avatar and username on the left are a help to see who's written what. And as long as the content of a post is within the rules, disagreement can and should lead to good discussion. Seen from that angle, it's questionable whether or not the ignore function should be there at all!

 

[I7guy]

Any chance we can reinstate the "down vote" seriously so ? Why not let the community decide, as that's what MR is all about...

I'm fully prepared to "live by the sword, die by the sword, what we don't need is nonsense like this By default opinions will differ. Many professional's are significantly impacted by Apple's current direction and we too need a "voice" MR is the last bastion, don't let it be the "Swan Song" of the Mac, we that produce, deliver, accomplish and far more, rely on impartial commentary...

FYI I don't block anyone as we are all entitled to our own opinions, and that is what makes MR what it is, open & diverse I frequently don't agree, equally I would fight tenaciously for the right & freedom for members to do so...

Q-6

If I remember the last time the down vote was enabled the “down vote” voters were hidden. The “like voters” were visible. I’m not generally in favor of the down vote (due to the negative connotation), but if the down voters were visible I think I might change my mind.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Hi

Just up front..Please don't misunderstand this request, as I totally understand you shouldn't be able to ignore moderation communications from a moderator.

That said, moderators are users on the forum also, and I'm sort of saddened to say there 1 or 2 Mods where I'd really prefer not to see their normal forum posts. It's nothing personal other than finding their opinions on things really divergent from mine and/or kind of annoying and just commentary style's I'm super not into and don't find of very high quality, etc.

I honestly don't want to dive into the "why" of it too much simply out of personal respect. I just really wish we could put Mods on ignore lists (simply for ignoring their normal user forum postings) like any other users.

Thank you for your consideration.

 

[Nermal]

There's some existing discussion about this over in this thread, but the "short version" is that the forum software won't let you ignore a mod so that you can't miss any messages that are directed at you (whether by private conversation or posted in a thread).

 

[turbineseaplane]

There's some existing discussion about this over in this thread, but the "short version" is that the forum software won't let you ignore a mod so that you can't miss any messages that are directed at you (whether by private conversion or posted in a thread).

Ahh - a technical thing vs a conceptual design ideal

That makes sense..
Frustrating of course, but I can appreciate that explanation for it, thank you

 

[turbineseaplane]

Frustrating..

There are 2 mods I'd like to be able to ignore (just their normal forum postings) simply as I don't find value in them usually and we don't really see things the same way, etc...

Normally I wouldn't be this annoyed by them, but we tend to frequent similar topics and areas of the forums and I just keep getting so irritated seeing some of the takes from these two. I don't want to engage, debate, argue - none of that - just want to not have to scroll by it all the time in thread after thread..

I don't want to say who simply out of respect and politeness.

I really wish we could ignore mods normal forum postings if we wanted to.
Sigh

 

[jpn]

Ahh - a technical thing vs a conceptual design ideal

That makes sense..
Frustrating of course, but I can appreciate that explanation for it, thank you

no.

if the state of Macrumors software can't deal with the problem, that's quite sad.

moderators should not be posting their personal comments to any forum on this site.
they should make the decision if they want to moderate, or, post as a user.
not both.

 

[turbineseaplane]

moderators should not be posting their personal comments to any forum on this site.
they should make the decision if they want to moderate, or, post as a user.
not both.

Interesting take - I think I agree with you honestly.
Maybe Moderators should have to have a 2nd account that's for "personal use"?

 

[S.B.G]

moderators should not be posting their personal comments to any forum on this site.

Wow. That's harsh, especially for a volunteer group that they are.

 

[MacDawg]

no.

if the state of Macrumors software can't deal with the problem, that's quite sad.

moderators should not be posting their personal comments to any forum on this site.
they should make the decision if they want to moderate, or, post as a user.
not both.

I honestly couldn't disagree more with this