Purpose of the ignore lists? (Why can't we ignore a moderator?) [MERGED]

[turbineseaplane]

Wow. That's harsh, especially for a volunteer group that they are.

What would be wrong with them having a normal user account for commenting?

Honestly, I think its' possible some of the moderators enjoy the "caché" of posting from a moderator account and the supposed "wisdom" and sanctity of their opinion and regard some users might have for their thoughts simply from them being a moderator.

I can promise you people shouldn't have that opinion based upon some of the things I've seen some moderators say, especially on technical subjects - but I'd bet many Mods enjoy that aspect.

Truthfully - I don't really care - I just wish I could ignore them as you can any other user
(again - not their comments toward me about Moderation - just their normal user commentary, etc)

 

[S.B.G]

What would be wrong with them having a normal user account for commenting?

Honestly, I think its' possible some of the moderators enjoy the "caché" of posting from a moderator account and the supposed "wisdom" and sanctity of their opinion simply being a moderator.

I can promise you people shouldn't have that opinion based upon some of the things I've seen some moderators say, especially on technical subjects - but I'd bet many Mods enjoy that aspect.

Truthfully - I don't really care - I just wish I could ignore them as you can any other user
(again - not their comments toward me about Moderation - just their normal user commentary, etc)

There is a rule about having multiple accounts and the mods are also held to that. Besides, what would be the point? One account called SandboxGeneral and one called SandboxGeneralOfficial. That would be redundant.

Besides, the mods speak for themselves when the post and not the site. The only time they really speak for the site, they will add [mod note] to the post to distinguish the two.

Remember, mods are people too and have opinions.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Remember, mods are people too and have opinions.

Besides, the mods speak for themselves when the post and not the site.

I have no problem with that and I agree..
Which is why the software should be made to allow for us to ignore those "normal people and their opinions".

Why is this so controversial?
They are either "normal users" who happen to be Mods also and we should be able to block them

Or they are not normal users and some effort should be made to isolate their roles as Moderators and normal Users so their normal user opinions can be ignored, like those of all other normal users.

 

[S.B.G]

I have no problem with that and I agree..
Which is why the software should be made to allow for us to ignore those "normal people and their opinions".

Why is this so controversial?
They are either "normal users" who happen to be Mods also and we should be able to block them

Or they are not normal users and some effort should be made to isolate their roles as Moderators and normal Users.

My recommendation would be to become a Xenforo developer and make that a thing.

 

[turbineseaplane]

My recommendation would be to become a Xenforo developer and make that a thing.

If I had the skill to do so I gladly would assist.

It's pretty frustrating not to be able to ignore the "normal user opinions" of Moderators just because they also happen to be Moderators.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

no.

if the state of Macrumors software can't deal with the problem, that's quite sad.

moderators should not be posting their personal comments to any forum on this site.
they should make the decision if they want to moderate, or, post as a user.
not both.

Interesting take - I think I agree with you honestly.
Maybe Moderators should have to have a 2nd account that's for "personal use"?

I couldn't disagree more.

As others have pointed out, mods are volunteers, - and people - and have joined this site out of an interest in the whole area of tech and related subjects.

There is no reason whatsoever that mods cannot post in a personal capacity on something - especially something technical - on this site, as long as they themselves are not moderating a given thread.

I would accept that one cannot adjudicate and proceed to actively participate in a particular thread in a personal capacity; but, if one is not adjudicating, or moderating, there is no conceivable reason why one cannot post in a personal capacity, even if one is a moderator.

There is a rule about having multiple accounts and the mods are also held to that. Besides, what would be the point? One account called SandboxGeneral and one called SandboxGeneralOfficial. That would be redundant.

Besides, the mods speak for themselves when the post and not the site. The only time they really speak for the site, they will add [mod note] to the post to distinguish the two.

Remember, mods are people too and have opinions.

Exactly.

 

[turbineseaplane]

As others have pointed out, mods are volunteers, - and people - and have joined this site out of an interest in the whole area of tech and related subjects.

There is no reason whatsoever that mods cannot post in a personal capacity on something - especially something technical - on this site, as long as they themselves are not moderating a given thread.

I would accept that one cannot adjudicate and proceed to actively participate in a particular thread in a personal capacity; but, if one is not adjudicating, or moderating, there is no conceivable reason why one cannot post in a personal capacity, even if one is a moderator.

Guys I feel like I'm being misunderstood here..

I TOTALLY AGREE

I just would like to be able to ignore their postings and opinions.

They are people and have opinions and volunteers
I respect and accept and agree with all of that.

That said, I would really like to be able to ignore them also.

This isn't an unreasonable request is it?

Because they happen to be moderators I have to read everything they say everywhere even when it has nothing to do with moderation?

That's not right - and frustrating.

 

[S.B.G]

I get what you're saying, and no its not totally unreasonable either. However, it is a limitation of the software and cannot be done. It isn't anything MacRumors can do either as it is a Xenforo thing. The best one could do would be to go to the Xenforo site and submit a feature request for a future software update.

Short of that, it can't be that egregious to have to see the posts of a mod or two among the several hundred active members each day.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I get what you're saying, and no its not totally unreasonable either.

Thank you for saying that.
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Short of that, it can't be that egregious to have to see the posts of a mod or two among the several hundred active members each day.

As I said before, it's just 2 mods in particular - just has been annoying me for a couple years now as these 2 tend to always be in the threads I'm in..

It's not life or death here - just an annoyance that persists.
I'll live

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Guys I feel like I'm being misunderstood here..

I TOTALLY AGREE

I just would like to be able to ignore their postings and opinions.

They are people and have opinions and volunteers
I respect and accept and agree with all of that.

That said, I would really like to be able to ignore them also.

This isn't an unreasonable request is it?

Because they happen to be moderators I have to read everything they say everywhere even when it has nothing to do with moderation?

That's not right - and frustrating.

I seem to remember this very topic was discussed recently elsewhere in some other thread.

However, I think it possible to pass with averted eyes over posts posted by individuals for whom you may not much care and whose opinions you do not much share.

 

[turbineseaplane]

However, I think it possible to pass with averted eyes over posts posted by individuals for whom you may not much care and whose opinions you do not much share.

See post above
Been dealing with these two for years - I'll live..

Frustrating as hell (to me) these two with annoying ass opinions (again - to me)
But I'll live.. lol

Again, thank you for conceding that it really should be possible to have Mods be ignored also, but it's a technical limitation. It helps a lot in these discussions when we find some middle ground and try to see the other side of the perspectives. I appreciate it.

Cheers

 

[tobefirst ⚽️]

@turbineseaplane, I have come to the conclusion that it is pointless to try to suggest that there is a better way to do anything around here. You know the Jobs RDF? I think there is an MR RDF for some, too.

 

[turbineseaplane]

@turbineseaplane, I have come to the conclusion that it is pointless to try to suggest that there is a better way to do anything around here. You know the Jobs RDF? I think there is an MR RDF for some, too.

haha - I know what you mean a little bit..

I generally don't ever post in the Site Feedback area because the reaction is usually pretty strong and not usually particularly "open" to suggestion (in my view anyhow).

Obviously what is being suggested influences that a lot, but in general, things do seem pretty set in their ways here, no question.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

Frustrating..

There are 2 mods I'd like to be able to ignore (just their normal forum postings) simply as I don't find value in them usually and we don't really see things the same way, etc...

Normally I wouldn't be this annoyed by them, but we tend to frequent similar topics and areas of the forums and I just keep getting so irritated seeing some of the takes from these two. I don't want to engage, debate, argue - none of that - just want to not have to scroll by it all the time in thread after thread..

I don't want to say who simply out of respect and politeness.

I really wish we could ignore mods normal forum postings if we wanted to.
Sigh

And do posts where someone "does not see things the same way" as you do really actually frustrate you that much?

 

[turbineseaplane]

And do posts where someone "does not see things the same way" as you do really actually frustrate you that much?

I'm trying to be polite by not going into further detail about these 2 particular mods.

You and I just reached a nice peaceful common ground in the other thread about this.
Can we please not do this again?

 

[Scepticalscribe]

I'm trying to be polite by not going into further detail about these 2 particular mods.

You and I just reached a nice peaceful common ground in the other thread about this.
Can we please not do this again?

Yes, we can.

But, I am struck by the - er, strongly held opinions that bolded type and italic type seem to suggest (along with the number of posts on this topic), that you have posted.

Personally, I couldn't give two hoots about the names of the mods in question - and I do not seek to have them named - but I am struck by the strength of your opinions on this matter, spreading over two threads.

Why not let it go?

The world is full of people whose views one may find "irritating" or may think "have no value" (if they are not downright repellant); ignore them. Or take issue politely with them.

 

[turbineseaplane]

The world is full of people whose views one may find "irritating" or may think "have no value" (if they are not downright repellant); ignore them.

That was literally the exact point of my posts/thread about all this...

My desire to be able to put these particular mods on my ignore list so I could not have to constantly see the very irritating (to me) posts/opinions/etc.

Yes - you can just scroll right by them..
But then again, isn't the point of the ignore lists to take care of that issue if one prefers it?

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Why not let it go?

I agree - let's both do precisely that?

Cheers & have a great night

 

[MacDawg]

If someone was blocking my egress out the only door in an establishment and was screaming obscenities in my face... that would annoy me

Reading (and skipping over) a few lines of poop written by a nameless, faceless denizen of the MacRumors Forums is something I can easily pass over without a bump to my blood pressure

 

[turbineseaplane]

Reading (and skipping over) a few lines of poop written by a nameless, faceless denizen of the MacRumors Forums is something I can easily pass over without a bump to my blood pressure

I agree -- unless you realize it's the same person doing it over and over again over the course of years..

Then the ignore feature is super nice

 

[MacDawg]

If they are harassing you, that needs to be reported
If they are just stating opinions you disagree with, well, that's life and I haven't been able to find an ignore button for that

 

[turbineseaplane]

If they are harassing you, that needs to be reported
If they are just stating opinions you disagree with, well, that's life and I haven't been able to find an ignore button for that

To each our own - I see no need to "deal with" annoying people on a forum if it's persistent.

I prefer to just ignore those few and move on and interact with the others.

 

[jpn]

Wow. That's harsh, especially for a volunteer group that they are.

hi

harsh?
no.

although on a much more serious level, its the same as in any business or industry practice.
in its simplest terms:
a person whose work consists of activities that are basically policing practices can not (should not) be the same person to be involved in in the transactions themselves.

regulators are regulators.
they should and must stay out of the fray.
or, else there can be zero trust in their decisions.

it was unbelievable to me at first to learn through this thread that moderators post their personal posts using their moderator profile.
after reading through this thread, i simply just find it poor management.

 

[MacDawg]

Its just an Internet Forum LOL

 

[Apple_Robert]

Guys I feel like I'm being misunderstood here..

I TOTALLY AGREE

I just would like to be able to ignore their postings and opinions.

They are people and have opinions and volunteers
I respect and accept and agree with all of that.

That said, I would really like to be able to ignore them also.

This isn't an unreasonable request is it?

Because they happen to be moderators I have to read everything they say everywhere even when it has nothing to do with moderation?

That's not right - and frustrating.

Exercise some personal restraint and responsibility and simply ignore the posts you don't like. Very simple. Problem solved.

 

[nnoble]

I’m not conscious of moderators but I can understand the OPs point. It’s rather like playing a game of football when one team member is also the referee. The dual identity answer might seem obvious but changing the status quo could actually be worse. Perhaps the answer is moderation on the part of moderators private postings.