mattopotamus
macrumors G5
You are correct. I was mistaken.
QMS VRR Support Coming to Apple TV 4K to Prevent Blackouts When Changing Content Frame Rate [Updated]
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You are correct. I was mistaken.
chrisherbert
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That's true, this wouldn't be helpful for PAL content. 50hz is actually pretty common even for people in the US -- lots of Disney Plus content is 50hz, even when it appears to be an American production (American hosts, etc).
chrisherbert
macrumors regular
The "soap opera effect" only happens when the TV is doing frame interpolation. If it just shows frames multiple times (5 times each for 24hz, 4 times for 30hz, and twice each 60hz), it will look identical to the native frame rate, with perfect frame pacing.
chrisherbert
macrumors regular
They generally don't, and are fixed at 60hz all the time. If you have a monitor that supports higher frame rates, you could run it at 120hz and that might give you proper frame pacing for 30, 60 and 24fps content.
I mean, it certainly would be a huge tradeoff for them, in terms of development resources. They would have to completely reengineer the entire way the Apple TV handles audio at its core, and provide a switch to switch between the normal way and this new method. They would also have to figure out some way to "grey out" in the interface all the features that would be disabled... not to mention that even something as basic as user interface sounds wouldn't even work. It's just very un-apple like to compromise the quality of the product that badly. Then, going forward, their development load would essentially be doubled, as they would be having to maintain two completely different systems simultaneously.
I'm not saying they couldn't do it, but I'm saying that it would not be a useful allocation of resources. Especially because this same problem could be fixed so much easier by just adding support for decoding TrueHD with Dolby MAT, so that TrueHD atmos content could be sent over LPCM with atmos intact, just as DD+ atmos already is. The lack of passthrough is not really even the issue. But my guess is that they would have to pay Dolby an additional licensing fee to add that functionality, and since the only benefit of doing so would be to improve an "off label" (so to speak) use of the AppleTV, one that some might even argue is somewhat murky in its legality, I can see why it's not a high priority for them. But I still wish they would also.
Some good points well made, but personally I think a company like Apple should be able to figure it all out. Truth be told they just have no interest in doing so because either they can’t be bothered or they have licensing agreements with Dolby that prevent or discourage them from supporting DTS. I’m pretty sure they can afford the development costs. We’re not talking about bleeding edge technology here.
But overall I agree with your sentiments and take onboard what you’re saying. In the end it no longer matters to me because my next media/streaming device won’t be made by Apple unless they start thinking beyond the needs of Moe & Joe Average 👍
Interesting. But watching any sort of content looks totally fine on a computer monitor. Why does it look different on a TV when one fixes the TV's refresh rate to 60hz? My understanding is that modern TVs use LED or whatever technology basically the same as modern monitors these days.
Why doesn't an Apple TV (which is basically a computer) connecting via HDMI to a TV be basically the same as connecting my Mac mini to a computer monitor?
Would be appreciative of any explanation.
MrTemple
macrumors 6502a
Did you honestly miss the context where it is fairly untenable to match content currently, what with the breaking of the UX?
And also miss the fact that I used the actual name of the half-broken feature you’re trying to explain to me exists? 🙄
Context? Many users who posted and use this feature regularly find the second of black screen so inconsequential that they questioned the usefulness of such a feature. The only users who find it cumbersome are those who are using it with YouTube, and that is because the developers of that app implemented the feature improperly. It is hardly ”UX breaking”, my god talk about histrionic. It is far from a half-broken feature. Most streaming boxes have never supported this feature at all, and it is one of the reasons that many users purchase the Apple TV specifically. It sounds like this feature is way over your head and you should just leave it off.
MrTemple
macrumors 6502a
Who’s histrionic, now? Just so we’re clear what happened… you quoted me talking about the match content feature, then foolishly tried to explain to me that a feature called match content exists. 🤦♂️
chrisherbert
macrumors regular
It should look the same on a monitor at 60hz and a TV at 60hz. How do they look different?
Well, again the flashes of black when Youtube is switching between the content and the ads, for example. That doesn't exist on a monitor but exists on the Apple TV.
The flashes of black only happen if you have match content (frame rate and/or range) turned on. Match frame rate is off by default and only on if you turned it on manually. If you don’t want the flashes, turn it off.
However, with the YouTube app specifically, this never should have been happening and only did because they implemented the feature incorrectly. It has since been fixed with an update around September/October. So if you update to the latest version (of YouTube app) you don’t need to turn off the feature anymore. But based on your comments, you probably should anyway as it doesn’t sound like this feature is for you.
Mrkevinfinnerty
macrumors 68030
That man would be happier with a Roku. It has a lovely little remote with buttons for Disney and Crackle TV
MrTemple
macrumors 6502a
👆 Spot the guy who didn't watch the very informative video.That man would be happier with a Roku. It has a lovely little remote with buttons for Disney and Crackle TV
Do you have LG OLED? That’s could be part of TPC or GSR that can be disabled in service menu (except 2023 just got a fix for it).
I didn't watch it either. I've better things to do than watch some random video with no clue as to what the payoff will be. Is there a text summary somewhere?
floral
macrumors 65816
You do realize that the combined time saved over the lifetime of Apple TVs along with all the people that use them would likely reach billions of seconds, right...? For the price of a couple million? It sounds like a win to me :3
-Gonzo-
macrumors 68000
To break it down for you, currently only works with 2023 LGTVs, only prevents the black screen with framerate changes, doesn’t do so with changes in dynamic range.
Pretty much everything we knew before it was rolled out.
MrTemple
macrumors 6502a
The comment I was replying to was a person being condescending and derisive of the video creator. Trying to cast the creator in an unsophisticated and uninformed light. Which if that poster had watched any part of the video, they would have found the exact opposite content.
So I pointed out how their opinion on the video was 💯 uninformed about the actual content of the video.
Mrkevinfinnerty
macrumors 68030
It really wasn't. It was more a comment on how Apple TV software doesn't really work.
-Gonzo-
macrumors 68000
In what way doesn’t it work though?
QMS works exactly as intended, it’s prevents the black screen during frame rate changes.
It’s not an Apple TV software issue that prevents it from happening with dynamic range changes, that’s just the way QMS works full stop.
Quick Media Switching (QMS)
QMS eliminates bonks by using the VRR mechanism to change frame rates, allowing rapid, smooth changes from a nominal 60Hz rate to any media rate below it (down to 24Hz). HDMI 2.1b
QMS VRR Support Coming to Apple TV 4K to Prevent Blackouts When Changing Content Frame Rate [Updated]
Initial reviews of the new Apple TV 4K highlighted that Apple will add support for Quick Media Switching Variable Refresh Rate (QMS VRR) via a...
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