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Qualcomm Asks China to Stop Manufacturing and Selling iPhones via New Lawsuits

Wow, I didn’t know China accounted for 22.5% of Apple’s sales in 2016. :eek: How did I overlook that bit of news? I read the article about them losing ground in 2017 but 22.5% in 2016 is nothing to sneeze at.

Dear Tim Cook,

I owe you an apology for thinking you were off your rocker kissing up to China the way you do. Apparently you know what you’re doing and you’re good at it. Kiss away! Go get ‘em Tiger! While you’re at it, double down on Eastern Europe, too. I’ve got friends there who love Apple but need more of a retail presence in their countries.

Sincerely,
Grumpy Mom;)

Okay, back on topic sorts of, Qualcomm needs to get back to developing a SOC that can rival the A11 for the Android phones. Good luck with that. Because I don’t think they can win this battle with Apple.
 
Apple is in bed with China and only money talks there where iPhones are manufactured. Good luck Qualcomm even if you're right. Very likely Apple will collude with the Chinese government to throw you under the bus, crash your stock and buy your intellectual properties out for cheap like what happened with Imagination Technologies and other Apple suppliers.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/25/imagination_technologies_sold_to_private_equity/
 
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This lawsuit is just a side effect of Qualcomm punishing Apple for having the balls to fight Qualcomm's unfair excessive requirement of a piece of each device sale on top of the already paid license fees of the components included in the device.

Qualcomm is absolutely in the wrong here, there is no doubt about it. Apple is doing what other companies couldn't do because of the power Qualcomm have.

Apple most likely can lose this lawsuit but the damage to Qualcomm has been done, they're getting noticed by regulators around the world for their BS practices and they will lose.

Apple will keep filing new lawsuits, appeals to lost lawsuits and etc until Qualcomm stops.


Darmok N Jalad said:
If I understand right, it does seem absurd that Qualcomm gets a percentage of the device’s sale, since no matter what patents they hold, they have nothing to do with the cost of the components or the price people are willing to pay for the final product. No wonder Apple started making their own SOCs years ago. It’s probably what got this feud started.
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No, the feud started many years ago but Apple simply didn't have a choice because Qualcomm was the only supplier. Apple started working with Intel to have Intel produce their own models, so that Apple can have a second supplier. Read Apple's interview on BI last week.

Once Apple had a second supplier, it made it safe for Apple to start dialing in Qualcomm's BS and start this major global war to have Qualcomm stop with the % sale requirement on top of licenses.

ThatiPhoneKid said:
I hope Qualcomm win the law suit, then there will be more iPhones available on pre order day
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You realize it will not happen even if Qualcomm wins?

If Qualcomm loses the lawsuit and stop their BS on demanding % of each sale instead of just the components that Apple already paid for, Apple would have no problem using Qualcomm-only stuff for now on.

There is no justification for Qualcomm demanding all companies to pay % on each sale on TOP of the license fees. This isn't BS, they've already been fine 3-4 times by regulators around the world for pulling this move.

Michaelgtrusa said:
I will stand with QC and not with china. QC and many others have made themselves vulnerable to china and others for IP fraud and production. Apple is no angel in this at all.
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You are standing with the company that is demanding that every company pay a % of device sale on top of license fees for the same component in the same device, double-dipping.

Countries doesn't matter here.
 
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Qualcomm's in the right, but Apple is China's bread and butter. That said, China's court doesn't want to be perceived as biased in the international community, and will probably put some pressure on Apple to settle behind the scenes.

Otherwise, they have to rule against Qualcomm, in spite of Qualcomm having the better legal argument, because they simply cannot allow such an injunction to harm the Chinese economy. Pressuring Apple to settle with Qualcomm makes the most sense for all involved.
 
Darmok N Jalad said:
If I understand right, it does seem absurd that Qualcomm gets a percentage of the device’s sale, since no matter what patents they hold, they have nothing to do with the cost of the components or the price people are willing to pay for the final product. No wonder Apple started making their own SOCs years ago. It’s probably what got this feud started.
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We can draw some more parallels to royalty prices based on percentage price structures, real estate agents and wall street/financial industry come to mind. These sectors and the likes charge by percentage because there is no real need to change price structure because that's the traditional way of doing business.

If the amount of effort required to do a job on an average is the same, regardless of the value of the transaction, then the question is if the percentage based price model sustainable. Will there be disruption?
 
If Apple is using Qualcomm technology without paying for it, that's very low and they should be punished for their illegalities.

No matter if it is a percentage based or any other model. Apple agreed on it. Now pay or don't use the technology.

You can't just say: "I agree to pay you under your terms" and then suddenly stop paying but still use the technology just because you deem it unfair. That's scamming.

In what world does that make sense? Have we gone completely nuts?
 
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BB8 said:
I don't know if Qualcomm thinks they are invincible or what but all these aggressive lawsuits are just going to expedite Apple's desire to replace their modems entirely.
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Not just Apple. Everyone is coming at them so they really are poisoning the well for future standards setting.
 
deanthedev said:
Bunch of whining crooks. They just got hit with another $774 million in Taiwan. That makes a grand total of 4 losses each in the $800 million ballpark.

And people still defend them?
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Qualcomm are rapidly turning into another SCO.
If this is true then his will run for at least a Decade and all the way to many different Supreme Courts.
Only the shysters will win, that much is already clear.
 
haunebu said:
Qualcomm's in the right, but Apple is China's bread and butter. That said, China's court doesn't want to be perceived as biased in the international community, and will probably put some pressure on Apple to settle behind the scenes.

Otherwise, they have to rule against Qualcomm, in spite of Qualcomm having the better legal argument, because they simply cannot allow such an injunction to harm the Chinese economy. Pressuring Apple to settle with Qualcomm makes the most sense for all involved.
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Qualcomm is in the right, yet have lost four huge court fights in a row? What information do you have that no one else does?
 
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When Apple first developed the 64-bit iOS and 64-bit iPhone/iPad... an executive from Qualcomm said the 64-bit thing was just a marketing scheme, it provides no system/application performance advantage. That executive no longer works at Qualcomm.

- Not too long ago Qualcomm asked US court to ban Apple's devices in US. I didn't bother checking the end result because I already knew where that was heading.

- Now it's asking China to ban Apple from making stuffs in their country which brings them millions of jobs. I'm not gonna bother checking again, because a) IP is not China's concern and b) China has everything to loose

Qualcomm is starting to act like a dis-favorite child screaming for mom's attention. And when mom clearly shows that she doesn't care, it turns to the neighbor asking for the same attention and I'm sure the neighbor is gonna tell it to go back to its mom. Circle goes around!!!

If Qualcomm doesn't shutup about the litigations and keep working on to make their modems better... they gonna end up like Kodak, Xerox, Yahoo, AOL and those that used to be worldwide corporate stars but stopped innovation because they thought they were already at the top of the World.
 
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I would bet everything I have that most Qualcomm employees (and I'm sure most of their legal dept and executives) use iPhones as their device of choice
 
Kaibelf said:
Qualcomm is in the right, yet have lost four huge court fights in a row? What information do you have that no one else does?
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Apple lost all of its claims against Samsung in Germany and got sanctioned for lying and disobeying the court order in the UK. It eventually dropped all non-US lawsuits; yet Apple prevailed in the US. Obama even reversed a legal defeat, Apple's loss at ITC.

We are not Zimbabwe, South Korea or Taiwan -- anything can happen.
 
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