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That carefully worded press release from Qualcomm doesn’t say that there’s still a relevant agreement in place between Apple and Qualcomm (or even that there was back in early 2017 when it was issued). It’s saying that Apple doesn’t find the terms which had previously applied acceptable.

Even previously, Apple objected to the terms which Qualcomm unilaterally imposed. But it had little choice other than to submit to them because it otherwise wouldn’t have been able to make certain kinds of smartphones. Qualcomm had an effective monopoly on certain kinds of modems. It used that monopoly and various illegal tactics (illegal, not according to me but according to multiple regulatory bodies) to force smartphone makers to submit to Qualcomm’s improper terms (again, improper not according to me but according to various regulatory bodies and numerous industry participants).

But, to be clear, Apple never had a licensing agreement with Qualcomm. They both acknowledge that they weren’t able to agree on terms. They did, however, have some related shot-term agreements. Those agreements have since expired. That’s part of why Apple took the actions it took when it took them. It didn’t like the terms it had been forced to agree to, but for the most part it lived with them until the relevant deals expired. Then it stopped honoring the deals which were no longer in place.

Court filings from both Qualcomm and Apple indicate that the relevant deals between Apple and Qualcomm are no longer in effect. I’m not just speculating on that point. It’s something they agree on.
Thank you for your detailed explanation, Apple's conduct now seems more understandable. I'm not being sarcastic.
 
Something Tim Cook knows a thing or two about. Not so great being on the other side, huh?
It's kind of easy to avoid falling victim to Cook's price gouging as they don't make anything where you can't buy an alternative product that does the same job just as well if not better. Qualcomm on the other hand likes to gouge everyone who makes a particular type of device thanks to their standards essential patents and have unfortunately done so for decades.

While I am pretty pessimistic about this, I do hope that this spurs Apple to donate money into efforts to weaken protections on standards essential patents and thus at least limit their abuse by companies like Qualcomm.
 
Qualcomm should make their own phones and lets see what a piece of crap they make.
Just imagine if Qualcomm didn't let Apple use their technology don't you think Apple's phone will not be a "piece of crap" as well? Let that sink in for a minute.
 
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This is getting just as annoying as Apple vs. Samsung. Hope something good comes out of it.

Just don't follow it :)

Something Tim Cook knows a thing or two about. Not so great being on the other side, huh?

I was reading just the other day how Apple profits remained unchanged in the last 7 years, and how they were 25% higher during Jobs, hard numbers pointing to the fact that there is no greed factor, it's just that the current devices Apple sell are more expensive to produce than the ones from years ago. During Jobs you had plastic phones with passcode to enter and single cameras and third party chips, then aluminium and plastic phones with a custom chip, Touch ID, camera and flash. Now you have steel and glass phone with double camera, multiple advanced custom chips (AX, Secure Enclave, the one for machine learning etc.) and a very advanced unlock feature (Face ID).

It would be nice if people stopped just stating as facts things that are not factual at all, and accept that the current Apple line up just isn't good or affordable for them.
 
While I am pretty pessimistic about this, I do hope that this spurs Apple to donate money into efforts to weaken protections on standards essential patents and thus at least limit their abuse by companies like Qualcomm.

and take away any incentive for companies to pour money into R&D to develop said technologies.
 
Just imagine if Qualcomm didn't let Apple use their technology don't you think Apple's phone will not be a "piece of crap" as well? Let that sink in for a minute.

Just imagine if Qualcomm hadn’t lured the industry into adopting its own technology by promising to license on a FRAND basis, and the industry picked a different standard that didn’t need Qualcomm technology?
 
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Just imagine if Qualcomm hadn’t lured the industry into adopting its own technology by promising to license on a FRAND basis, and the industry picked a different standard that didn’t need Qualcomm technology?

Just imagine: if the moon was made of green cheese then we all had enough to eat.
 
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Just don't follow it :)



I was reading just the other day how Apple profits remained unchanged in the last 7 years, and how they were 25% higher during Jobs, hard numbers pointing to the fact that there is no greed factor, it's just that the current devices Apple sell are more expensive to produce than the ones from years ago. During Jobs you had plastic phones with passcode to enter and single cameras and third party chips, then aluminium and plastic phones with a custom chip, Touch ID, camera and flash. Now you have steel and glass phone with double camera, multiple advanced custom chips (AX, Secure Enclave, the one for machine learning etc.) and a very advanced unlock feature (Face ID).

It would be nice if people stopped just stating as facts things that are not factual at all, and accept that the current Apple line up just isn't good or affordable for them.

Apple put a sub-1080p LCD in a phone and charged $899 for it. In 2018.
 
Apple has to pay the License fee to Qualcomm regardless of who they buy the chip from since we are talking about essential patented technology here.

Never did I said Apple doesn't have to pay SEP. The price they are paying to Qualcomm for Patents ( Everything from SEP, to All other SoC and Design Patents ) are double than all the SEP players combined. And it is obvious this is way too much from Apple's perspective. As much as I want Apple to pay the price and forget about it to use Qualcomm, Apple obviously want to fight it for long terms Strategy.


You need to go and brush up on what Apple tried to pull with Ericsson.. it refused to pay them, the same as with Qualcomm, Apple’s business tactics are disgraceful to be honest.

OF course they refused when they don't agree on the pricing. Apple got lower pricing in the end, doesn't that flavours Apple?
 
Never did I said Apple doesn't have to pay SEP. The price they are paying to Qualcomm for Patents ( Everything from SEP, to All other SoC and Design Patents ) are double than all the SEP players combined. And it is obvious this is way too much from Apple's perspective. As much as I want Apple to pay the price and forget about it to use Qualcomm, Apple obviously want to fight it for long terms Strategy.




OF course they refused when they don't agree on the pricing. Apple got lower pricing in the end, doesn't that flavours Apple?

Not that much lower and Apple were using their usual business tactic, Ericsson said they would let the court decide the price, Apple refused to, and they agreed a price but I guarantee Ericsson are the winners, Apple has deplorable business ethics and treats major innovators who have genuinely moved human life on as something they’ve stepped in, but you’d probably just call it business..
I can’t wait for it to the same in the medical world...
I was rather hoping it did get to court as Ericsson would have torn Apple to pieces with ease..

I don’t believe a word Apple says about Qualcomm due to this, and seeing as Qualcomm has already won in a major EU court against Apple and had its phones banned from sale, it adds further fuel to that belief.
 
It’s like you are totally ignoring my comment just to repeat the usual misinformed opinion. If it makes you happy... I won’t waste my time this way sorry .

We're misinformed that the XR display has a sub-1080p resolution and is an LCD?
 
I don't know much about Qualcomm's CEO, but one thing that's crystal clear after 7 years here is that Tim Cook makes Donald Trump look like a compulsive truth-teller. So my inclination is to believe it's Timmy that's being misleading here. Especially given how this little spat started with Apple simply refusing to pay the royalties.

I thought it started when Qualcomm refused to pay Apple the rebate they had contracted for on the license fees.
 
Apple put a sub-1080p LCD in a phone and charged $899 for it. In 2018.
And users felt it looked better than the pocophone's 1080p display.

People who complain about this sort of stuff is precisely the sort who clearly doesn't understand Apple. Apple sells an experience, not technology. They aren't about cramming the best specs in a device, but about how to put them together in a manner which offers a great experience for the user.

As it stands, the display is fine for its users, and helps extend battery life.

That's what you are paying for. Apple's expertise in putting them together.
 
Not that much lower and Apple were using their usual business tactic, Ericsson said they would let the court decide the price, Apple refused to, and they agreed a price but I guarantee Ericsson are the winners, Apple has deplorable business ethics and treats major innovators who have genuinely moved human life on as something they’ve stepped in, but you’d probably just call it business..
I can’t wait for it to the same in the medical world...
I was rather hoping it did get to court as Ericsson would have torn Apple to pieces with ease..

I don’t believe a word Apple says about Qualcomm due to this, and seeing as Qualcomm has already won in a major EU court against Apple and had its phones banned from sale, it adds further fuel to that belief.
And Qualcomm is under investigation here in the US. So I don’t believe a word Qualcomm has to say.
 
Not that much lower and Apple were using their usual business tactic, Ericsson said they would let the court decide the price, Apple refused to, and they agreed a price but I guarantee Ericsson are the winners, Apple has deplorable business ethics and treats major innovators who have genuinely moved human life on as something they’ve stepped in, but you’d probably just call it business..
I can’t wait for it to the same in the medical world...
I was rather hoping it did get to court as Ericsson would have torn Apple to pieces with ease..

I don’t believe a word Apple says about Qualcomm due to this, and seeing as Qualcomm has already won in a major EU court against Apple and had its phones banned from sale, it adds further fuel to that belief.

lol you sound bitter :)

Qualcomm aren't looking good in the US , wouldn't be surprised if they are a bunch of criminals. Just because I feel the same way about companies as you do .
 
lol you sound bitter :)

Qualcomm aren't looking good in the US , wouldn't be surprised if they are a bunch of criminals. Just because I feel the same way about companies as you do .


Well it quite obvious he didn't understand how SEPs, Design Patents, and Other Patents works and valued. And refers to Major Win in EU, which literally kills any motive in further discussions. Apple pays 0.5% of iPhone price ( Not Retail Price ) to Ericsson for access to everything fro 2G -4G patents, and Ericsson was one of the first to come out and said their 5G patents ( inclusive of all previous G ) would be licensed at a fixed price / unit as well.
 
Well it quite obvious he didn't understand how SEPs, Design Patents, and Other Patents works and valued. And refers to Major Win in EU, which literally kills any motive in further discussions. Apple pays 0.5% of iPhone price ( Not Retail Price ) to Ericsson for access to everything fro 2G -4G patents, and Ericsson was one of the first to come out and said their 5G patents ( inclusive of all previous G ) would be licensed at a fixed price / unit as well.

You don’t understand Apples ethics and how it conducts its business to pay for the tech it uses.
When Apple refuses to pay for technology invented by and developed by Ericsson, like Qualcomm, yet makes billions from that tech in profits, theirs something wrong legally and morally..it all simply comes down to Apples never ending greed.
 
You don’t understand Apples ethics and how it conducts its business to pay for the tech it uses.
When Apple refuses to pay for technology invented by and developed by Ericsson, like Qualcomm, yet makes billions from that tech in profits, theirs something wrong legally and morally..it all simply comes down to Apples never ending greed.
Seems like two thoughts are in okay:
1. The investigation in the US and,
2. Apples’ never ending greed

Both appear to be on the right track.
 
and take away any incentive for companies to pour money into R&D to develop said technologies.
I didn't say that FRAND patents should be rendered completely invalid. What Qualcomm is doing is leveraging how they're literally standards essential to force companies to pay out unreasonable royalties. The thing about particularly cellphone-related patents is that the patents are related to implementation specifics while the underlying technology tends to come out of academia.

For example the underlying technology for CDMA was actually developed in the Soviet Union and you can be sure they're not getting a share of Qualcomm's patent royalties.
 
Qualcomm does make chips for watches (snapdragon wear, the best being the 3100).
I should have added the words "not any more", as you may well know Qualcomm gave up on smart watch chips long time ago and haven't made any new ones. Why do you think Android smart watches are large and thick - it needs larger battery with worse chips.
 
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