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Apr 12, 2001

Qualcomm today announced plans for next-generation Arm-based System on Chips (SoC) designed to rival Apple's M-series chips in the PC space (via The Verge).


At Qualcomm's 2021 investor day event, chief technology officer Dr. James Thompson announced the plans for the new generation of chips. The chips are "designed to set the performance benchmark for Windows PCs" and are being developed by the Nuvia team. Qualcomm acquired Nuvia, a chip startup company founded by former Apple chip designers, for $1.4 billion earlier this year.

Qualcomm said that it will directly compete with Apple's M-series chips, including the M1, M1 Pro, and M1 Max, and hopes to lead the industry for "sustained performance and battery life." Moreover, the company promised that it would be scaling up its Adreno GPUs to offer desktop-class gaming capabilities in future PCs. Qualcomm hopes to be able to send samples to clients in around nine months, ahead of the first products containing the chips launching in 2023.

Article Link: Qualcomm Looking to Combat Apple Silicon With New Generation of PC Chips


Oct 18, 2020
They'll never catch up to Apple. Reason: the Apple M-series SoC's a highly optimized for MacOS, something that the Qualcomm ARM-based SoC's may not be able to do unless Windows 11 on ARM is written to take full advantage of the Qualcomm ARM design.
Totally agree....and to have desktop class gaming...when on windows 11 arm there are almost none "desktop games "


macrumors 68020
Jul 1, 2009
So if Apple maintains the same lead on Qualcomm in with regard to PC/Mac chips that they do in the mobile arena, then they have nothing to worry about. Qualcomm chips powering Android phones are at least 2 to 3 years behind Apple in performance and Android phones only make up for it by providing obscene amounts of RAM on the high-end phones.

The advantage here for the consumer is that it will prevent Apple from resting on their laurels and holding back more powerful designs because they don't yet need them (much like Intel did with AMD years ago). You gotta have somebody at least chasing after Apple even if they are likely not going to catch them. I actually wish Apple had more competition in the tablet arena so iPad might got better faster.

The other disadvantage for PC's is that the operating system is coming from a different vendor than the SOC. When Apple needs to optimizing something, they just push it from software to hardware. For Microsoft and Qualcomm, that is going to be a negotiation with a slower turn-around time.


macrumors 6502a
Oct 14, 2016
San Jose
I've never tried out an ARM powered Surface (and for that matter, I don't own or use any Surface product). I'm curious if anyone who follows this closely believes that Qualcomm could potentially offer something competitive (i.e., fast/powerful performance) in a couple years?

While I don't see this as a near-term threat to Apple, I'm more interested in whether it could be a threat to x86 and Intel in a couple years, and take some Windows share from Intel in lower powered devices?


Sep 25, 2018
In reality they are competing with Intel and AMD, not Apple. If/when they get into Apple silicon performance territory, there is your chip for a Windows Arm computer, not that will be great! I really hope they succeed!
Competition is a great thing!


macrumors 68000
Jun 6, 2017
This sounds fantastic. The PC industry really needs these “new” companies to shake up the industry. It’s been locked into slowly evolving AMD64 and X86 for far to long, we even had an entire decade of progress just stalled. I very much hope we get to a point where your computer of today can’t even dream of running your software in three years time.


macrumors 6502a
Aug 1, 2019
I'll believe it when I see it. Good for them to try, though. But no matter how good the chips are, it won't make a difference if Microsoft doesn't improve compatibility.

Given the state of Microsoft's current effort vis-a-vis ARM (no Visual Studio, etc.), I am not particularly confident.
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macrumors P6
Oct 14, 2008
Keyword: "sustained performance and battery life". Translated - "we will have a lot of cores, each slower than M-series" ;)
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