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Qualcomm is likely to lose everything in this "doubling down"…. simply because the Federal government (i.e. the Federal Trade Commission) is already on Apple's side in this fight. The FTC is already suing Qualcomm in regards to this matter.

However, I understand that Qualcomm is trying to plead its case with the ITC, which is a different commission from the FTC.
 
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Exactly. Qualcomm has done nothing but hokd us back in the dark ages with this proprietary mostly US standard of cdma.
First things first. This case has nothing to do with modem patents. The 6 patents they are asserting are non essential patents, so they can charge whatever they want for them.

Second, CDMA is more than just that crap used by Verizon and Sprint. CDMA tech is the underlying basis for WCDMA aka 3G GSM tech. Without the underlying CDMA tech, GSM wouldn't work.
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Qualcomm is likely to lose everything in this "doubling down"…. simply because the Federal government (i.e. the Federal Trade Commission) is already on Apple's side in this fight. The FTC is already suing Qualcomm in regards to this matter.

However, I understand that Qualcomm is trying to plead its case with the ITC, which is a different commission from the FTC.
No. The FTC is not suing Qualcomm over any of the 6 patents asserted in this ITC request.
Might I suggest actually reading the article first... then comment.
 
Actually, Qualcomm isn't and can't say that because it would be an admission that they are in violation of FRAND, with the ND being non-discriminitory for those patents that are considered essential. One of Apple's central arguments is that they are being charged more for the same technology because Qualcomm is charging based on price of phone, which means every time Apple develops or adds something new, e.g., OLED screen, to a phone, Qualcomm gets paid more. The other argument that has Qualcomm wetting its pants is the double-dipping argument. Based on the recent Supreme Court decision with Lexmark printers that, in essence, says you can't charge for the equipment and then demand a license to use it (Lexmark wanted to prevent companies/customers from refilling their used cartridges and the Court said license for customers went along with purchase), it has to be one or the other. Qualcomm has been doing exactly that and a fair reading of the Lexmark case is that Qualcomm has overcharged Apple and others billions of dollars and the license to use their chips should be inherent in the purchase of the chips. If the courts agree with Apple, Qualcomm will be decimated. These lawsuits by Qualcomm are merely trying, perhaps futilely, to gain some leverage by putting issues on the table to negotiate their way out of the quagmire they are in. Keep in mind they are being sued by other companies and by more than one government.

This case has no similarities to that case.
 
While I'm pretty miffed about my Intel modem in my 7 Plus giving me issues with data while my Qualcomm 6s doesn't, I really can't see this happening. They've got to settle somehow. I hope sooner rather than later because if Intel fails to deliver an equal product, I'll be back in the same damn boat.
 
Patents are often broad enough that you cannot legally develop your own technology.

That's what sucks. The patent system is RIFE with corruption and dysfunction. I have a gut feeling one day the USPTO will be in the news major scandals for what's going on over there. It's too easy to pay for play and the USPTO smells like bananas....as in Banana Republic. On this Apple will probably win some and lose some.
 
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/15-1189_ebfj.pdf

Apple is saying Qualcomm gets to pick one user of their tech to charge royalties to not both like they have been doing for years. Don't know if it holds water but it seems very reasonable and given the billions at play it is reasonable to pursue.

Sure, that decision deals with the "patent exhaustion doctrine." Apple is arguing that they shouldn't pay any licensing fee at all because Qualcomm IPs are exhausted when Apple's suppliers bought their chips.

In their "royalty fee/base" claim, Apple is arguing that only the smallest component (baseband) that embodies Qualcomm's IPs should be used as the royalty basis, as opposed to using the "entire device."
 
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Qualcomm modem is far superior to intel I'm hoping the 8 gets the Qualcomm gigabit modem I highly doubt I thou
 
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The board should fire Tim Cook, put Craig Federighi in charge, settle this with some money and use the better Qualcomm tech. The Apple mid level management would be happier, the tech would improve and the consumer would benefit.
 
Yeah, and "I'd like to be the King of all Londinium and wear a shiny hat."
 
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Good luck Qualcomm. The average consumer has no idea about what goes in to the iPhone and only cares about getting the iPhone itself. A bunch of negative publicity in the eyes of consumers could mean that in the future consumers recognize the Qualcomm brand and steer clear of devices with their ICs.

I doubt the average iPhone consumer knows or cares what Qualcomm is and cares much less about its ICs since Apple doesn't even use SnapDragon processors.
I do believe that Samsung was actually successful in getting a ban on iOS devices being sold in America, then Apple went crying to Obama who overturned the decision...

So I won't be surprised if Qualcomm are successful here, and Apple goes crying to Trump to overturn the decision.

I think Apple could perhaps pay less to Qualcomm, but they are doing the typical Apple way of getting that and dragging it through the courts, it's a bit rich for Allle to effectively force its suppliers to not pay Qualcomm for licences they use. I think in court Apple will lose on this front.
I think you're forgetting that Qualcomm also happens to be an American company.
 
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Sure, that decision deals with the "patent exhaustion doctrine." Apple is arguing that they shouldn't pay any licensing fee at all because Qualcomm IPs are exhausted when Apple's suppliers bought their chips.

In their "royalty fee/base" claim, Apple is arguing that only the smallest component (baseband) that embodies Qualcomm's IPs should be used as the royalty basis, as opposed to using the "entire device."
So the answer is you were wrong in no SCOTUS ruling concerning the on going Apple-Qualcomm fight. Note: I see this law suit as just a continuation of the entire bigger Apple/Qualcomm squabble.
 
The best outcome is imprisonment for Tim Crook and his cronies then taking their excessive compensation packages with Crook alone at nearly $150 million to pay off the $500 million due to Qualcomm to save the jobs of many engineers.
 
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QCOM really wants to collect so much license fees? Apple should start selling yesteryear A-series AP to Android makers so QCOM can focus on collecting license fees all they want.
 
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I'm still shocked at the number of people commenting on this article without actually reading it.
This has NOTHING to do with essential modem patents.
The 6 patents in question here are not covered under FRAND. Qualcomm can charge whatever they want for them.
 
I think you're forgetting that Qualcomm also happens to be an American company.

Shh..it doesn't fit the narrative.

I think you should go and read my post again. Because your comments looks silly as I never mentioned a thing about corporation nationalities, you've all done that yourself......
It has nothing to do with my comment.
 
As far as I'm aware this is a last ditch attempt to save Qualcomm from be obliterated. They've been double dipping, charging both apple and chip makers. If you buy the chip from a third party and they've paid a license, it's reasonable that you don't pay to USE the chip. Similar cases have show this to be prescident. Qualcomm could owe billions back to apple. The patents have also been used to strong arm and prevent others from making chip offering and breaking the monopoly. Sure apple might have to pay but this is going to destroy Qualcomms ability to enforce these patents and might even bankrupt them if the patents are deemed invalid and phone makers are no longer charged for 3rd party chips.

Patents are totally broken, but so are the terms that define licenses. why there is so little oversight for licensing agreements is amazing.
 
As far as I'm aware this is a last ditch attempt to save Qualcomm from be obliterated. They've been double dipping, charging both apple and chip makers.

But they don't.

As every article points out, Qualcomm does not license chipmakers for the IP needed to run them. This applies even to their own chips.

Qualcomm licenses that IP directly to each phone maker, instead.

By separating the license this way, chip makers are free to compete on just chip price with Qualcomm and each other. And indeed, several have been taking a lot of chip sales away from Qualcomm, by selling cheaper chips.

The reason Apple hates this arrangement, is because they want to influence juries into tieing the license rate to the ever dropping price of physical chips, instead of to the ever increasing price of what Apple pays Foxconn for an iPhone. (Which is about 1/3 of what consumers then have to pay Apple.)
 
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