The problem is OS and app / software support. It doesn’t magically change the situation for Windows on ARM overnight.
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Qualcomm to Take on Apple Silicon Chips With Snapdragon X Series for PCs
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After watching that, I am not sure where you come with *that* conclusion. Oh, it's a rumor website, it doesn't have to be true.
Call me skeptical. The advantage Apple has is they own the whole stack. The M platform and MacOS are designed to work with each other. MS is not going issue a specific version of Windows for these Qualcomm chips.
Not to mention that Apple with have the M4 in production by the time these are scheduled to be released. I have to think the first gen Snapdragon X will still be generations behind the M platform.
Not to mention that Apple with have the M4 in production by the time these are scheduled to be released. I have to think the first gen Snapdragon X will still be generations behind the M platform.
Qualcomm today outlined its plans for its next-generation chips designed for PCs. The Snapdragon X series is set to come out in 2024, and Qualcomm claims that it will mark an "inflection point for the PC industry" thanks to the "next-level performance" brought by the new chips.
Snapdragon X chips will use the Qualcomm Oryon CPU, which is built on the chip technology that it got when it purchased Nuvia. Founded by ex-Apple chip designers, Nuvia designed custom Arm-based chips that are expected to bring Apple silicon-like performance to PCs with improved power and efficiency.
In addition to improved efficiency, Qualcomm's upcoming PC chips include on-device AI processing and 5G connectivity.
As noted by The Verge, Arm has sued Qualcomm and Nuvia for violating the licensing agreements for Arm processor designs and architecture. Arm claims that licenses provided to Nuvia are not valid now that the company has been sold to Qualcomm.
Article Link: Qualcomm to Take on Apple Silicon Chips With Snapdragon X Series for PCs
This article should have been titled, “Qualcomm to Take on Apple Silicon Chips With Apple Silicon”.
In this new upcoming “X” silicon series, Qualcomm will not be using stock ARM core designs like it has been, but will instead make its own custom designs (like Apple!) which use the ARM ISA, that Qualcomm has branded “Oryon.”
This custom silicon design, Oryon, came from Qualcomm’s 2022 purchase of Nuvia, a company founded by former Apple Silicon Design team lead, Gerard Williams.
Gerard Williams, who spent nearly a decade working at Apple, heading up its Silicon Engineering department, left Apple and poached key Apple Silicon executives and engineers to found Nuvia, a company that engineers custom ARM designs (just like Apple!).
In my own personal opinion, I believe Qualcomm is ripping off Apple proprietary IP and is using key Apple talent in a move that represents, IMO, immoral business practices and unfair competition.
Apple recently settled out-of-court with Williams in a case that asserted Williams began work on his new company while working at Apple and while using Apple’s R&D resources and people, that he stole Apple’s Intellectual property to found his new company, and poached key Apple engineering talent to work at his new company, Nuvia, which was bought in 2022 by Qualcomm.
I personally believe Nuvia/Qualcomm’s “Oryon” is significantly an Apple Silicon design!
Williams filed a motion to dismiss the case for lack of merit, but the judge disagreed and denied the motion and the case went forward.
Apple dropped the lawsuit in April, 2023, however, when it reached an out-of-court settlement with Williams.
A second lawsuit against Nuvia/Qualcomm by ARM continues, as Nuvia and Qualcomm both had separate licenses from ARM when Qualcomm bought Nuvia.
In my own personal opinion, Qualcomm would be double-dipping if it payed ARM only one licensing fee after acquiring second ARM licensee, Nuvia.
I think the whole thing stinks, I think Williams really set Apple back and did them immeasurable harm, profiteered from Apple and Apple’s talent, and I’m rooting for ARM to win this one!
If ARM wins, there will be an injunction against these Qualcomm “X” chips and Qualcomm won’t be able to use ripped off Apple intellectual property (in my own personal opinion).
I hope it sets Qualcomm back as much as Williams set back Apple.
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And I assume you have proof to that claim, right?
Then quickly get a lawyer and in contact with Apple man. Mac rumors user R2DHue is on to something and has proof that Apple themselves lack!
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that just seems like an attempt by ARM to get higher licensing fee. It would actually hurt them to win the case as would potentially limit Windows PC as a potential growth revenue stream.
If only it was the first time they said this I would believe it this time…
I haven't followed this saga much. Is there anything more to go on than "This guy worked for Apple, and then worked for another company doing similar stuff"? People are allowed to change jobs, and they're allowed to use their experience to build and extend a career.
It would help if all those underlined bits were actually links...
I'm not a lawyer, but I see lawsuits from various sides, especially if Microsoft supports the chips.
Intel will not go quietly for sure and I wouldn't be surprised if Apple gets involved too.
Somebody is kicking themselves for not buying ARM. I'm just not quite sure who yet. hehe
Intel will not go quietly for sure and I wouldn't be surprised if Apple gets involved too.
Somebody is kicking themselves for not buying ARM. I'm just not quite sure who yet. hehe
Welp, do you have a subscription to Scribd?
You can read the lawsuits for yourself like I did.
Pretty compelling.
(Why are so many people in favor of companies stealing Apple Intellectual Property⁉️)
I see Windows/Microsoft going all ARM.
They’ll ditch x86, but not Intel.
They’ll have Intel fab the ARM SoCs.
Windows already has this. With proper support from Qualcomm's new chip, it could be just as fast as Rosetta (the M1/2 has various hardware features/extensions to make Rosetta faster)
I was personally thinking ARM Linux, maybe the ARM Linux server market. But ARM Chromebooks are a possibility, as is some sort of desktop device in Microsoft’s Surface range. Apart from that, I don’t see major PC OEMs lining up to go with ARM, especially when they can have Ryzen chips from AMD, a better known quantity for the sorts who pay attention to tech specs. Though maybe this would be useful for cheap ARM laptops/mini desktops.
Also, I think Qualcomm really should have not used the Snapdragon brand name for this, if just because “desktop class” isn’t what a I think of when I hear “Snapdragon”. (Typically, I think “mid-range to flagship Android phones, but still lagging two years behind the A series chips from Apple”.)
yea, i already saw it with my second gen arm Surface device..Please...no more. The only one who could do it its Microsoft itself but they are not into SoC game
If the specs are as good as claimed, you'll definitely start to see these appear in lots of PC laptops. High performance with ultra-low power consumption at a reasonable price is exactly what OEMs and corporate buyers are looking for. Sure, they won't beat Ryzen for gaming etc, but a lot of the PC market just doesn't care about that.
if WIn is going all in....Intel will be almost out of business if they dont do it to..Intel remains the main for servers but also for Win