they need proper support from QC, QC needs proper support from Microsoft, and both need the developers support...otherwise we meet at what we already got with past arm windows devices
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Qualcomm to Take on Apple Silicon Chips With Snapdragon X Series for PCs
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MS will be very happy. MS and Windows really need something to take on Apple's M chips. Intel is not going into efficiency as deep as Apple. The future is mobile computing chips and that's where the battle starts. Qualcomm already became a new ARM leader in PCs. It is only natural that it wants to strengthen its lead in Windows for ARM. Windows x86 is really being pushed into oblivion and may stay only as a desktop gaming platform with all office and mobile apps moving onto Windows for ARM.
When did "it would be nice if you gave a link" become "I favor IP theft"?
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A17 Pro consume up to 14W of power. More power = higher performance. Then what happened to the power by watt? That's extremely too high and that's what M1 consume. Also we are talking about 5nm vs 3nm. TSMC 4nm that Gen 2 is using is still another 5nm.
For GPU, Qualcomm is already faster than A17 Pro which already released in late 2022. Imagine if it's Gen 3. 5/4nm Qualcomm chip is faster than 3nm Apple chip which is insane. It proves that Apple Silicon chips GPU performance sucks.
Overall, Qualcomm already outperformed on GPU and CPU is quite close to A16 which is using a same TSMC 4nm. It just proves that Apple is not doing well with Apple Silicon development. Imagine if Qualcomm starts making their own M series chips for PC.
Yeah, but I don’t think that Qualcomm and Microsoft is able to optimize it as Apple could with macOS and Hardware in their own hands. Furthermore Apple sucks at Gaming which made the whole transition a lot easier and does not have many professional Software as Windows have. Apple also breaks compatibility over and over again, with new macOS release older Software tends to get wonky, end-users are used to update their Software for new releases of macOS. Microsoft tends to retain the compatibility back to many years, people will get pissed if stuff stops working, it will end again not accepted by its customer base as Windows on ARM on Surface Hardware.
You still can-- at below the IPO price!
I don't know if Arm can get higher margins from the PC market, but the volumes are small for Arm. Arm processors are already in everything. I mean, "everything" is a bit of an exaggeration, but not really much of one.
Annual PC sales are about 300M/year. Smartphones alone are four times that.
It remains to be seen whether these chips can provide top-level performance, and then whether they will actually provide something that people want in the PC marketplace. A lot of PCs are used for gaming and need x86 compatibility and strong GPU performance, that segment of customers isn’t going to move (and it’s a big segment). The remainder are largely Office workers, and those who would be swayed by high performance and long battery life may well have already moved to Apple Silicon.
Competing with Apple Silicon? It sounds to me like they are going to be competing with the rest of the PC market to win customers for Windows on ARM.
Competing with Apple Silicon? It sounds to me like they are going to be competing with the rest of the PC market to win customers for Windows on ARM.
Apple is doomed since top chip designers left. Nuvia was founded by „Founded by ex-Apple chip designers“ and I guess those guys wanted the freedom to experiment and develop new things away from Apple.
I‘m excited for things to happen and my Linux workstation is waiting for some ARM cores.
I‘m excited for things to happen and my Linux workstation is waiting for some ARM cores.
A lot of the comments here seem to focus on PC gaming but surely the majority of PC use is in the corporate world. The workload is therefore mostly office productivity. Sure, there will be niche apps but I’d wager the vast majority of PCs are just MS-Office workhorses. If Qualcomm can produce designs that enable low cost PCs built on Arm and which will run the bulk of the primary Windows load-outs through emulation at acceptable speeds, they will sell a ton of them. Money talks.
Yes its wrong for companies to usurp intellectual copyright of another, whether it be Apple, Qualcom or anyone else doing it, but it is rather academic as it will get sorted in one way or another in the courts.
However, I think its great news for Apple customers, because it will drive Apple in terms of cost, performance and functionality (i.e. 5G etc. etc.).
I have little doubt Apple like many other massive organisations, offer out, but limit functionality based on profit alone, and whilst profit is important to any company, a consumer's priorities may differ and this will no doubt drive the whole market forward.
However, I think its great news for Apple customers, because it will drive Apple in terms of cost, performance and functionality (i.e. 5G etc. etc.).
I have little doubt Apple like many other massive organisations, offer out, but limit functionality based on profit alone, and whilst profit is important to any company, a consumer's priorities may differ and this will no doubt drive the whole market forward.
I wouldn't count Intel out just yet. Their next-gen mobile processor (Meteor Lake) will be fabbed on Intel's 4 technology and show up in systems next year. Assuming Intel executes, this processor can easily give Apple and Qualcomm a run for their money.
x86 is dead and will never resurrect. There is just a ton of x86 software that keeps this architecture „alive“. There is a good chance that ARM architectures will finally take the lead.
Microsoft and devs on PC need to get serious about ARM support if Qualcomm delivers the goods.
I wonder how this will look in regard to using a motherboard and what will be upgradable.
Would be interesting to see the response from Intel, AMD, and Nvidia then.
I wonder how this will look in regard to using a motherboard and what will be upgradable.
Would be interesting to see the response from Intel, AMD, and Nvidia then.
Unless Intel or AMD can pull off something pretty spectacular in the next 5 years (or even less) then there's a good chance that the days of x86 dominance in the desktop space are numbered.
Not really, that's a not as big a market as you might think, certainly not big enough to sustain a business the size of Intel. Plus GPU performance is far more important in the gaming sphere than CPU. You can build a fine gaming rig with a fairly modest CPU if you're prepared to go all in with the GPU, and the best CPU in the world paired with a more bog-standard GPU wouldn't be able to compete.
I am always amazed at how people not only actually believe Apple‘s marketing but even repeat the company catchphrases…
Not to forget the backward compatibility, that Apple is so fond of quickly cutting and forgetting as if it never existed.
Microsoft cannot do that, because it would be it's fall.
Exactly, specially as you mentioned, corporations, huge companies will buy this computers, they will save lots of money on electricity, and most of them only use office and web applications, they don't care about gaming or even niche drivers for exotic hardware.