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Qualcomm to Take on Apple Silicon Chips With Snapdragon X Series for PCs
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Good, hopefully they come with 5G and Apple has to respond by including that for their laptops, too.
Consumer Linux is a quagmire of half-baked solutions. Qualcomm will realize, like BeOS (who was far better off btw back in '96) that you need to build an ecosystem for an OS running in x86 before porting to a different platform.
Hahaha - good luck with that. He exists for the reactions, nothing more.
But I'm happy about increased competition on the PC side - I love efficient hardware, and it'll be a welcome day when I can ditch my x86 stuff.
Maybe you don't know, but Windows on ARM runs x86 apps,
How emulation works on Arm
Learn how emulation for x86 and x64 apps makes the rich ecosystem of existing Win32 apps available on Arm devices.
learn.microsoft.com
There is x86 support in Windows on ARM,
How emulation works on Arm
Learn how emulation for x86 and x64 apps makes the rich ecosystem of existing Win32 apps available on Arm devices.
learn.microsoft.com
I work in IT, I just can't see it happening - there is so much risk/work to make this change, so many legacy systems, so many gigantic infrastructures that rely on x86, but I guess anything is possible.
Yeah, but it doesn’t work well.There is x86 support in Windows on ARM,
How emulation works on Arm
Learn how emulation for x86 and x64 apps makes the rich ecosystem of existing Win32 apps available on Arm devices.learn.microsoft.com
You won’t never be able to run Applications like CATIA, Nuke, Houdini, 3DSMax or Solidworks, nor AAA Games with full details and shading features.
There's a handful of Snapdragon-based enterprise laptops already out there (like the Lenovo ThinkPad X13s), and since Microsoft is supporting them with an ARM version of Windows 11, that market will continue to grow.
It's hardly competing with Apple. Like Apple may abandon Apple and switch to them? Nope. Is Apple trying to sell their stuff to PC makers? Nope. Totally unrelated to Apple all together, you're right.
The world's financial institution will have their back. Excel on Windows is the backbone of the world's bookkeeping and the .XLS format is used more than the .XLSX format. The "Never touch the ancient code" mentality.
Windows 11 version of Windows on ARM has a really good x86 emulation layer for those that will need backward compatibility during the transition. Not to mention that MS' first-party apps / services are already optimized for ARM, as are some of Adobe's apps. All that's really missing is a well-performing ARM SoC.
True, maybe it won't work well with the apps you listed. But there are others that have no issues at all.
Also, you have to consider that current Windows ARM devices are based in the Qualcomm 8cx Gen2, and its performance is very limited. We'll have to wait what happens with this new processor.
Microsoft already has Windows on ARM. I’m running Windows 11 on my M2 MacBook Air. Perhaps with Qualcomm investing in desktop-class chips, more developers will start paying attention and develop native Windows ARM apps rather than rely on the x64 translation layer.
the reality check will come when we learn IF Microsoft licenses Windows ARM to other OEMs, as of today to the best of my knowledge it's only licensed on those Surface devices that us the current Qualcomm chip. And yes, I know that folks here have it running on other machines but not licensed copies - correct me if I'm wrong
I *really* want this to happen not because I am anti-Apple, etc, but actually because as a consumer, some real competitive pressure would help.
But, really, beating M1/M2 level performance with a "Coming Soon*" (* = Pending a huge licensing lawsuit that could be years in motions, etc, etc), while Apple has already bought out all TSMC capacity for the next decade on any process node worth using for these kinds of SoCs....oy, not a good story.
Only thing I think could be "competitive" is the ability to put the 5G radio on-die, but, as we saw in the Huawaei designs that have that, the thermals are *really* problematic, so there's actually wisdom in keeping it hung off a bus/bridge/whatever and using that space/TDP for fatter caches, etc....5G doesn't actually need to be on die for anything but end product form factor space saving because even the fastest wireless tech won't inundate an on-board bus/bridge, not even close...memory/cache OTOH....
IF they can get all this right, well, it still runs Windows....which is getting better and has some great window management stuff macos doesn't, and macos continues to get worse (in terms of quality), but, really, this is not the competitor I hoped for it seems.
But, really, beating M1/M2 level performance with a "Coming Soon*" (* = Pending a huge licensing lawsuit that could be years in motions, etc, etc), while Apple has already bought out all TSMC capacity for the next decade on any process node worth using for these kinds of SoCs....oy, not a good story.
Only thing I think could be "competitive" is the ability to put the 5G radio on-die, but, as we saw in the Huawaei designs that have that, the thermals are *really* problematic, so there's actually wisdom in keeping it hung off a bus/bridge/whatever and using that space/TDP for fatter caches, etc....5G doesn't actually need to be on die for anything but end product form factor space saving because even the fastest wireless tech won't inundate an on-board bus/bridge, not even close...memory/cache OTOH....
IF they can get all this right, well, it still runs Windows....which is getting better and has some great window management stuff macos doesn't, and macos continues to get worse (in terms of quality), but, really, this is not the competitor I hoped for it seems.
Nope. Plenty of Windows on ARM OEMs.
Lenovo Thinkpad
Acer Spin
Samsung Galaxy Book Go
Asus ExpertBook
Dell Inspiron
Probably many more. I got bored looking them up.
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Microsoft allows use of Windows ARM on Apple Silicon Macs through a virtual machine. Any valid Windows 11 license key will activate it. But Microsoft also allows other OEMs to produce Windows ARM machines using the Qualcomm chips. They just haven’t been popular because of the performance issues.
So, are you saying that if I have a legit copy of Win 11 it covers WinARM? That’s interesting…
The marketing in this case shows how nothing has changed at QC – still a me-too company chasing Apple.
Remember the days when everything was iThis and iThat – copying Apple.
Now we're at This X and That X – still copying Apple.
Which raises the interesting question. Both i and X (and e) are played out marketing letters. What's next?
I'm a an advocate for Q. I think Q deserves its five years or so in the sun.
As in: Apple Modem (for the mainstream) and Apple Modem Q (for the high end machines)!
Remember the days when everything was iThis and iThat – copying Apple.
Now we're at This X and That X – still copying Apple.
Which raises the interesting question. Both i and X (and e) are played out marketing letters. What's next?
I'm a an advocate for Q. I think Q deserves its five years or so in the sun.
As in: Apple Modem (for the mainstream) and Apple Modem Q (for the high end machines)!
Seems to me that this will take active support from Microsoft for it to take off in the Windows world. Similar to what Apple did in their transition to their M series ARM processors. Running in X86 emulation mode isn't a long term solution.
Low cost enterprise computing with an eye on cloud native apps and 5G built in? Maybe this what the Chromebook could have been with less in-your-face google bloat and more devotion to an open remote digital workforce and what that requires. OS support will be linchpin. Look at what Apple has done to break this barrier with AS. No, it is not 100% perfect, but it is definitely usable and they have freed themselves from Intel's terrible thermals, extended MacBook battery life and overall performance.
I think this will certainly be interesting to watch.
I think this will certainly be interesting to watch.