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I think we are all in agreement, but missed the post's emphasis - here it is:

"1940s - USA's entire nuclear program. German brains."

I am very specific that it was German brains - and no mention of where the technology was developed. BTW, the Germans were developing the Atom bomb too - never reached the goal.

You can say a few of them came from Germany but on the whole the MP team were American.
 
How do you import something into the country it's manufactured in? That's a head scratcher…

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I thought iPhones were exported from China, unless this only affects the 6s made in India.

You manufacture something in country A, does not mean that it is within country A's immigration and customs. Apple and it partners operate in China's Special Administrative Region or Special Economic Zone. That means they are in China but not in mainland China's immigration and customs. To sell to mainland China, products need to be imported and pass mainland China's immigration and customs. It's like you passed immigration and customs in the airport but you are still in the country, you have to pass it again to come back. There you have a special legal status. In some sense, you are in international space or you are in your destination's legal space depend on the court.
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Is it realistic for Apple to manufacture and assemble iPhones in America?

Is there anything say Trump/Congress could do to make this a reality?

It is possible, but you need kids to stop partying and major in hardcore STEM fields. For most people, I am not sure it is the right or even realistic choice. It is very very difficult and very very easy to fail an exam or two, speaking as an Electrical Engineering student.

Basically it is like pick 3 out of 5 below.

1. Fundamental academic success
2. Having a healthy and fulfilling relationship
3. Having good friends that are not just for studying and doing labs together.
4. Learn enough outside of the class so that you have the technical skills necessary for finding coop positions (degree requirement, six paid 4-month coops, which in this economy, is not easy)
5. Health, sleep, rest, gym, and mental heath
 
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What is wrong with imported brains - H1Bs or war captures - when the local talent is focused on MBAs today?

Designed in USA - crap?

1940s - USA's entire nuclear program. German brains.

1960's The race to the moon - same.

1980s-2010s - Chinese and Indian brain drain helps USA's industry in every part; don't forget the medical professionals that USA imports.

Assembled in China - I will concede that partially. The quality of built in USA is excellent; and the Chinese are just as good. It is not T-shirt manufacturing we are talking about.

Lawyers in the USA - too many! Why?

Carbon print - it is not the single currency in these transactions; a major component, yes. Scotland used to ship their local shrimp to Taiwan/Indonesia to de-vein and clean, then ship it back to the UK to sell it. Because the Scots couldn't find labor as cheap as all the cost involved in the trip around the world! They don't do it anymore.

Same economics with assembled in China.

Can't sell in China because the industrial zones are "walled-off" entities within the host nations; India has them. Move it 100 meters into China, pay the tax.

Remember when USA, UK, Germany and most of Europe were selling products made in their lands to sell in Asia, Africa and Latin America? Now, the companies prefer or are forced to make in the lands they sell.


Nothing with imported brains, but there's a huge problem with the current crop of H1B's.
Ask anyone who works with them, we have a whole team at our place. They look right at you and lie, their code is mostly crap, and they are taken advantage of by their pimp companies. None of them actually have any experience in what they say, and their degrees aren't worth the virtual paper they're saved on.

It's as if they're planted in the USA to destabilize our code base and turn this country into India. Not the other way around. It's such a shame. I feel bad for them.
 
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Nothing with imported brains, but there's a huge problem with the current crop of H1B's.

They ... are taken advantage of by their pimp companies.

I agree with you on the quality control issue with H1B visa USA hands out like expired garnish.

When they "import" a physician, there is a rigorous testing process before they can work as licensed physicians. It easily takes 3 years and more after they are in the country to let them loose on the community. Many fail in these tests.

Not so in the IT sector. Software techs start working from day one for pittance and hope and pray that they can stay in the country literally every second, willing to any job, in any frozen hell, ridiculous hours, for dimes, until they can eventually be given a better visa - the almighty Green Card.

That is not on them, just the bosses of these USA companies who manage to lobby ("bribe") the politicians to open the floodgates! The real "pimps"! This happens with Amazon, Cabelas, Cognizant, Google, HP, Disney, Edison, FaceBook, etc.! This list is too long for this post.

If the USA scrutinized them just as well after they enter the country, as they do before issuing even a student visa, this gripe won't be there.
 
Look this is a friendly conversation; technically you're right; but Samsung makes screen, flash storage, RAM, LG makes screens etc ; what does Apple make?
Perhaps you haven’t heard of the Mac Pro, designed and manufactured in the US by Apple.
 
Qualcomm is saying the ban in China is not tied to OS version and applies to all devices. Whom to believe?

https://www.gsmarena.com/qualcomm_i...rsion_takes_effect_immediately-news-34654.php

Apple.

According to an email update from stratechery (which I am subscribed to), the court does not have any power to enforce a ban. Qualcomm must take up the case with an enforcement tribunal, whose decisions Apple can also appeal.

So for now, Apple can continue selling their iPhones, and by the time the case is ultimately adjudicated, the affected phones will either no longer be on sale, or already updated with ios 12 to invalidate the infringed patents.

Apple is fine for now. The impact of this court ruling has been way overblown.
 
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Apple capitulated to the terms at a time when they had no other choice.

Not to mention that the fees are calculated based on a percentage of the device's final cost. Meaning that Apple pays more than Samsung or Oneplus simply by virtue of their phones costing more to make.

Now, Apple is finally in a strong enough position to fight back, and fight back Apple will. Remember, Apple is going after Qualcomm's very business model, which will ultimately impact how Qualcomm does business with every other phone manufacturer. They should all be on Apple side, and Apple is simply doing what any other company would have done had they more leverage.

Apple will fight, and Apple will win.
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Concerns over the risk Apple faces in China have been way overblown.

Oh boy, here we go again:

1) Qualcomm's royalty basis has been upheld by court and regulators. The only one who cries wolf is Apple and, despite having lost lawsuits, Apple continues to challenge its legality without any new evidence.
2) Apple has no license with Qualcomm -- Apple outsourced their licensing to Foxconn, Pegatron, etc, and they in turn pay Qualcomm based on their manufacturing price ($100-$200), not retail price ($600-$700). Samsung probably pays less because the company has much longer contract length, bigger volume and cross-licensing (Samsung is one of the largest SEP contributing wireless patents holder whereas Apple has really nothing to cross-license to negotiate better terms)
3) Apple's position on royalty basis or rates hasn't changed and Apple brings no new legal theory or evidence to back up their claims.
 
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Oh boy, here we go again:

1) Qualcomm's royalty basis has been upheld by court and regulators. The only one who cry wolf is Apple and, despite having lost lawsuits, Apple continues to challenge its legality without any new evidence.
2) Apple has no license with Qualcomm -- Apple outsourced their licensing to Foxconn, Pegatron, etc, and they in turn pay Qualcomm based on their manufacturing price ($100-$200), not retail price ($600-$700). Samsung probably pays less because the company has much longer contract length, bigger volume and cross-licensing (Samsung is one of the largest SEP contributing wireless patents holder whereas Apple has really nothing to cross-license to negotiate better terms)
3) Apple's position on royalty basis or rates hasn't changed and Apple brings no new legal theory or evidence to back up their claims.

Then explain this article right here.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...apple-to-exclusively-use-modem-chips-ftc-says

Previously, Apple really didn’t need snapdragon processors because their own custom processor design proved superior, but they still needed to wait till Intel had a competitive modem before they could sue Qualcomm without fear of reprisal, because Intel was the backup.

It was precisely because of the lawsuit brought forth by Apple and the FTC in early 2017 that led to the interim ruling that Qualcomm had to license their patents to competitors.

https://www.cnet.com/news/qualcomm-must-license-its-chip-tech-to-competitors-like-intel-judge-rules/

This allows Intel to license them at a much lower price (because now, the fees are based on the cost of the modem made by intel, rather than the price of the entire devices as made by Apple).

This also strengthens Apple’s hand in the ongoing lawsuit, and they have basically killed Qualcomm’s profitability thanks to Apple moving to Intel, making them ever more reliant on Chinese handset manufacturers (which are notoriously low-margin).

Qualcomm had it coming, and I guess it is poetic justice when a bully meets its comeuppance at the hands of an even greater bully.
 
yeah...
and also article says this doesn't apply to iPhone running iOS12... so essentially all iPhone since the 5s are all fin now?
That's not accurate at this stage. That's a claim that Apple is making on their own. The differentiator as far as the court is concerned is about who built the phone, not the OS version. Qualcomm didn't accuse those built by Pegatron as infringing, but they did accuse those built by Foxconn and that's what the temporary ban applies to.
 
Then explain this article right here.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...apple-to-exclusively-use-modem-chips-ftc-says

Previously, Apple really didn’t need snapdragon processors because their own custom processor design proved superior, but they still needed to wait till Intel had a competitive modem before they could sue Qualcomm without fear of reprisal, because Intel was the backup.

It was precisely because of the lawsuit brought forth by Apple and the FTC in early 2017 that led to the interim ruling that Qualcomm had to license their patents to competitors.

https://www.cnet.com/news/qualcomm-must-license-its-chip-tech-to-competitors-like-intel-judge-rules/

This allows Intel to license them at a much lower price (because now, the fees are based on the cost of the modem made by intel, rather than the price of the entire devices as made by Apple).

This also strengthens Apple’s hand in the ongoing lawsuit, and they have basically killed Qualcomm’s profitability thanks to Apple moving to Intel, making them ever more reliant on Chinese handset manufacturers (which are notoriously low-margin).

Qualcomm had it coming, and I guess it is poetic justice when a bully meets its comeuppance at the hands of an even greater bully.

Sure. First, your old Bloomberg article doesn't say anything new about the validity of Apple's position on royalty basis or rates. As for Apple's false accusation of Qualcomm's "forced kickback", Qualcomm has already clarified that it was Apple who initially proposed the "rebate" in their counter-suit in the US. Qualcomm was not able to fight back Apple on this, because the company was NOT allowed to respond to the accusation in previous investigation by South Korea, Taiwan/China regulators.

Second, the recent ruling by Apple's hometown judge, Koh, merely affirms what every regulator had already found -- Qualcomm's unwillingness to license SEPs to competing baseband OEMs is in violation of FRAND. Apple may benefit from this in the short-run, but again this doesn't change the validity of the royalty basis or rates. Some wireless patents holders like Ericsson already changed and announced that their 5G license would cost $5 per unit/handset.
 
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