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Qualcomm Wins Import Ban on iPhone 6s Through iPhone X in China, Apple Says All iPhone Models Remain Available
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Someone that fully understands the licensing.
Apple unilaterally decided the fees are too high.
Mind you, Samsung, OnePlus, etc. pay the same fees.
Apple claims infringement of generic patents all the time. (I think patents that don't specify how you will do a certain thing are ideas and not technology, but don't get me started).
So this is Qualcomm, going after Apple the same way Apple goes after other folks.
If Apple would just live up to it's contractual agreements this wouldn't have gone this far.
Thank you.
I know that pain! Not MVA related.
As do most motor vehicle accident (MVA) victims.
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Most "manufacturing" countries have Industrial Zones, a tax-exempt "development" zone, that produce products exclusively for "export". Apple's (and most any manufacturer/assembler) products are "Made in China" in these zones. India has them from at least the 70's. They are not technically part of the host country.
Everything made in these zones are not for domestic consumption - immediately "exported" to consumers elsewhere. If they are routed to the host nation, they are "imports"!
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They are "imported" to the "foreign" zones - technically, they did not enter those countries. After the full or partial product is assembled, they have to be "exported" to qualify for the zero tax status. When "Apple" moves them into "China" to sell them to the consumer - tariff time.
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For those asking about exporting: While I don't completely understand it, China has economic zones for manufacturing that don't have the same laws as the rest of the country which allows companies to export much more inexpensively and get around a lot of laws they would otherwise have to follow. It's sort of like a country within a country.
"Duty-free Export Manufacturing Zones" and similar phrasing are used. Yes, an economic country within the main country.
That's patent trolling. No way they invented that, lots of prior art, and they never did anything to make it a reality.
Problem number 1 is materials and supply chain is mostly in China.
Problem number 2 is takes a long time to train new workforce in America.
A solution is to manufacture more in Vietnam and India which would also help grow user numbers in these regions. Foxconn is opening in Vietnam.
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What’s your point? That’s the case for most electronics. Does any company manufacture the whole widget without using anyone else’s components?
China finally bit the hands that feed it. After Apple spent the last 3 years with "Pro China" statements in their keynotes and interviews, not to mention supply that country with hundreds of jobs, they finally got what they deserved.
As an long time Apple fan, it's good to see John Scully, I meant Tim Cook, feel the wrath of the consumer market. This would make for a good revival story if Scott Forrester or Phil Schiller bring the old Apple back.
As an long time Apple fan, it's good to see John Scully, I meant Tim Cook, feel the wrath of the consumer market. This would make for a good revival story if Scott Forrester or Phil Schiller bring the old Apple back.
Help me understand your thinking, the US has stolen what exactly from China?
Probably means unfair trading, don'y know what though, and he said " from countries such as China" so this includes other countries
Do they make consumer electronics devices? They are a component manufacturer, like many others. But you can’t compare them to Apple. You need to compare Apple to someone like Dell or Samsung. Even Samsung sources components from other manufacturers despite producing a lot of components themselves.
Look this is a friendly conversation; technically you're right; but Samsung makes screen, flash storage, RAM, LG makes screens etc ; what does Apple make?
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Not much. But what does that matter? What point are you making? Plenty of companies don’t manufacturer what they design. Others manufacture lots of products and design nothing. And a lot of companies land somewhere in between. So, again, what’s your point?
It’s also worth noting that Apple designs a lot of components even if they don’t build them. So it’s quite unfair to say that Apple just makes their products from everyone else’s components. They’re not just picking standard components off the shelf. Someone had to design those components.
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Money.
But seriously, Apple designs some of the best silicone right now, and relies on contract manufacturing.
Many companies don’t own their manufacturing, and not just in the tech industry. I serious doubt Breville owns the factory that made my blender. I guess I don’t understand why manufacturing something versus contracting someone to manufacture matters. The essential component in the process is the CREATIVE component. Without that, there’s nothing to manufacture.
It really doesn't matter. China isn't stupid and have not been standing still. They've diversified globally, so that plant in the Philippines, Vietnam, or Indonesia will probably be owned by a Chinese company.
If it’s a fight you want, Qualcomm, it’s a fight you will get.
According to Apple, iOS 12 invalidates their patents anyways, so I don’t expect this to have any impact on Apple.
The way Qualcomm ran to make a big spectacle out of this is also very telling. They clearly have an incentive to make it seem like they are better positioned to go up against Apple in courts around the world.
According to Apple, iOS 12 invalidates their patents anyways, so I don’t expect this to have any impact on Apple.
The way Qualcomm ran to make a big spectacle out of this is also very telling. They clearly have an incentive to make it seem like they are better positioned to go up against Apple in courts around the world.
That is so funny!
So they design that crap in Cupertino with H1B's.
Build it in China.
Ship it (using lots of carbon emissions) around the world
BUT, they can't sell it in China where they build it!
If someone told me that back in the 1970's I'd say they were bonkers. But it's reality today!
So they design that crap in Cupertino with H1B's.
Build it in China.
Ship it (using lots of carbon emissions) around the world
BUT, they can't sell it in China where they build it!
If someone told me that back in the 1970's I'd say they were bonkers. But it's reality today!