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It's nowhere near as bad as it was in the mid-90's, when shopping for a Mac was about as painful as looking for a Dell or HP is now.

The only thing that's confusing here is that Apple is continuing to sell their previous generation devices right alongside the new stuff. Maybe not the best thing in the world for them to do, if they're going for purest simplicity, but it's hardly the end of the world, either.

Remember, having more options isn't a bad thing, so long as you're easily able to tell the difference between each device. For instance, hop on the Dell website, and you'll see 10 computers that are only slight variations of each other. If you don't exactly what you're looking for, that'd be a daunting pain in the ass to sift through. But 3 iPads? One big and powerful, one small and lightweight, and one in the middle? That's hardly an overbearing selection.

Good points, however...

I was in my local Stormfront [Apple Reseller] last week on the (naive, yet opportunistic) off chance of getting my new iPad mini sooner than delivery. Only to see some poor guy almost buy the old iPad mini. The Assistant was basically telling him that you were paying extra for the retina screen.

He was only saved, as I whispered a word to the wise whilst the shop assistant went out back to get his "new iPad".

He was both happy I told him and annoyed that he almost bought an mini iPad 2 instead of an mini iPad 5...

I then quickly made my excuses and left...
 
Quanta now? After hearing some rumblings about Apple moving a lot of things to Pegatron, it's interesting to hear different names keep popping up. Then again, this might very well be an attempt to boost their stock/investment price by leaking information to the public

I miss Steve Jobs' era, one iPhone and one iPad, simple and clean offer for customers.

That's only because the iPhone and the iPad were still young. Jobs expanded the iPod line with four different models, and sold the white Macbook along side the Air and the Pro, while also having 3 different screen sizes for the Macbook Pro. Also it's been reported he gave a go to the iPad Mini.

This is certain. If Jobs quit or passed away after the first classic iPod, we would've been expressing our anger over Apple expanding the iPod line up, saying Steve was all for cutting down the number of products and would've never allowed this. If we know anything about Jobs, it's that almost anything we claim he wouldn't have allowed, he has allowed it at some point while running Apple. His only constant was his willingness to change his opinion all the time despite being stubborn.
 
Laying on my couch using my 15" mbp I always thought it would be nice to not have the keyboard and just have the screen in my hand.

It's a good size and if it didn't weight too much it would be a pretty expansive display to browse the web and watch video.

It would live exclusively on my coffee table and/or bedside table though.
 
I find it very humorous that people will quickly bash Microsoft for their "everything in one device" strategy and then in the next breath say "I wish there was a tablet that ran OS X."

First, iOS IS OS X. It is the same kernel presented with a touch UI that was developed from the ground up to be a touch UI. Apple will never re-vamp the non-touch OS X to be touch-enabled, because they already did.

Maybe with the bigger screen size iOS will evolve to include functions that would make sense with a larger screen and a device that is significantly more powerful. I think there is plenty of evidence that that is happening.

I also don't believe in the idea that eventually iOS and OS X will be completely merged. iOS will become increasingly important and more and more people will move to tablets for their computing needs. And eventually many will only have a tablet.

But, desktop/laptop machines are not going away because there are always going to be people who need the power and control that these provide. But, thinking about using a larger iPad for a control surface for Logic Pro, gives me a chubby.

As I have said since I bought my iPad 1, I would love a larger iPad, and it won't replace my 13" MBA because I use them for different things.
 
Nah, doubt it. I saw a girl in an Apple store a few days ago trying to explain the difference between the iPad Air, the iPad 2, the iPad mini and the iPad mini with retina display to an older person.

Simple. "We have two sizes of iPads. The large one right here costs $499, and the small one costs $399. You can also buy an older version of these iPads for $100 less."
 
This Maxi-Pad will probably be released concomitant with iOS 8. Hopefully Apple will do something about that garish iOS design - the pics in the start of this thread really spotlight just how atrocious iOS style now is.

On something as big as the Maxi-Pad, iOS will also have some glaring functional omissions if it isn't updated. How about using some of that screen real estate for customization of the interface? Widgets or the like? A panel of app icons is great on a tiny phone, but rigidly limiting on anything larger than 5" or so. Put some thought into it, Apple, don't just copy Android!
 
On something as big as the Maxi-Pad, iOS will also have some glaring functional omissions if it isn't updated. How about using some of that screen real estate for customization of the interface? Widgets or the like? A panel of app icons is great on a tiny phone, but rigidly limiting on anything larger than 5" or so. Put some thought into it, Apple, don't just copy Android!

That's not how it turned out IMHO. On the contrary, the reason we do not get customization and the widgets is because Apple put a lot of thoughts into iOS. The easiest way for Apple would've been simply to bring all the OSX features where widgets have been a staple for years as with other customizations and the file system.

In many ways for power users who are used to the workflow OSX, iOS would've been better if Apple decided not to put some thoughts into it but simply decided to transfer over OSX features. However Apple put some thoughts into iOS and decided more appliance-like experience will be the future they'll like to push to. Slowly adding some features over from Mac while steadfastly refusing to add others.

When it first debuted Mac was criticized for being a "toy" and not being as capable as the text-driven machines of that time. Eventually as hardware improved and users got used to GUI, most users now cannot go back to the old text command line interface. It's not an entirely accurate parallel but I'd still expect Apple try replicate that with iOS. Instead of bringing Mac down, they'll try to improve the capability of iOS.

I don't know if it'll be a successful endeavor but one thing I'm sure is if it fails, it won't be because of lack of thoughts put into it. It'll be because there was too much thoughts gone into it.
 
Nah, doubt it. I saw a girl in an Apple store a few days ago trying to explain the difference between the iPad Air, the iPad 2, the iPad mini and the iPad mini with retina display to an older person.

No chance.

If you make people have to think that hard about which product is right for them, it's much less easy to make a decision, and in my view, I'd be much less likely to make an impulse buy without feeling the need to research first. That's where Steve got it right, and they're undoing all that, just as they did in the mid-90s.

No, they're not undoing it. In the mid 90's, Apple didn't have Apple Stores where people could interact with the devices before they buy.

Your experience is that of a bad salesmanship. The differences between devices are apparent to the naked eye and don't need interpretation. Size, weight, and screen clarity are easy to differentiate.

The first thing my 61 yr old mother said regarding the iPad mini was that it's too small for her eyes and she'd prefer a larger screen. All internals being the same, it all comes down to preferred size--still a simple choice and not one fits all.

Apple selling the non-retina mini and the iPad 2 is them covering customers that purchase based on price and/or in bulk.
 
How about actually making iOS better - no file system, no multi window multitasking, 1GB of RAM, come on apple, you suck!

Please stop with the thinness nonsense it's good enough now, just improve your iOS!

I use my iPad, want to print out a receipt from a web order (for records keeping), can't even do that print to pdf without a jailbreak tweak!

These little bitty things left out for nearly 7 years is what bothers me the most about iOS - it's not an advanced OS either - it's almost 2014 and you are stuck in 2009.


This! Apple need to put iOS into the sort of intense development that OS X underwent in its early life. They need another Tevanian to bring iOS into the realm of greatness. It's very, very good as of now, but lacks the GUI polish and insight that leaves one drooling the way OS X did when it was new. And while they're at it, bring in some graphic artists to give it some sort of style. It looks ridiculous!

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That's not how it turned out IMHO. On the contrary, the reason we do not get customization and the widgets is because Apple put a lot of thoughts into iOS. The easiest way for Apple would've been simply to bring all the OSX features where widgets have been a staple for years as with other customizations and the file system.

Oh I agree that a great deal of thought went into the original iOS, which was designed for a small phone display, not a tablet. The lack of thought in my view is in the migration of iOS to the iPad. And then iOS 7, the new GUI features are welcome but more or less they are catching up to Android instead of leapfrogging it. I also agree that moving features from OS X to iOS is unwise, but widgets are a feature that could really rock on iOS. Android uses them to great effect, and Apple can do it even better.


In many ways for power users who are used to the workflow OSX, iOS would've been better if Apple decided not to put some thoughts into it but simply decided to transfer over OSX features. However Apple put some thoughts into iOS and decided more appliance-like experience will be the future they'll like to push to. Slowly adding some features over from Mac while steadfastly refusing to add others.

Disagree here. Apple have always excelled at crafting a desktop GUI that was simple enough for new users, but had successive layers of functionality ready to be exploited as one gained experience with it. The same could probably be done with iOS, at least on an iPad version. Phones IMO demand less complexity because they are often used while doing something else, whereas a tablet is usually the focus of attention.
 
Imaginary Steve would never have tolerated an iPod Touch, iPod Classic, iPod Nano, etc. Not in a million years.

Because Imaginary Steve does whatever the imaginer wants him to do.

Yes, but in the real world, the iPod products were visually discernable from one another and existed to fill different requirements. The iPad mini and Air do this on their own, but having two variations of each seems to unnecessarily confuse matters.
 
I find it very humorous that people will quickly bash Microsoft for their "everything in one device" strategy and then in the next breath say "I wish there was a tablet that ran OS X."

First, iOS IS OS X. It is the same kernel presented with a touch UI that was developed from the ground up to be a touch UI. Apple will never re-vamp the non-touch OS X to be touch-enabled, because they already did.

I think it's humorous that some people will quickly make the geeky claim that iOS is OSX because they share low-level code. This is an utterly useless concept as far as users are concerned. Let me know when we can, say, add a font to iOS and I might start to believe the argument that iOS is just OSX with a touch UI. In the meantime, claims that they are actually the same is like saying an ostrich is a fish because they both have DNA.
 
Good good good.

Everyone I know over 60 with an iPad has at some point said they'd like a bigger, easier to read model, when I've asked how they like it.

Design professionals will covet these. Better put a wacom digitizer in them.

and for heavens sake, Apple better fix iOS with 8. Even if they just change the white-based spartan theme to a black-based spartan theme, it'll be a huge step toward getting out of the aesthetic hole iOS7 is in.
 
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Is a larger iPad really necessary?

If a larger touch display is necessary, why not just produce a an iMac with touch screen capabilities with a horizontal/tabletop device?
 
Makes sense. It's coming with iOS 8 and a full revamp to allow file management and the much needed "opening" of iOS. :apple:

Ha ha..

NO!
Bad poster.

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I just don't know where this larger ipad is coming from.

Lot's of android people could already do this, and surely if there was any sort of market for it, someone would have cracked out a cheap android 13 incher?

And yet no one has.... I wonder why.

Because nobody with Android devices has $500 in APPLICATIONS loaded up... Which is what it takes to justify a really expensive tablet purchase. I can count that if Apple released this many (most) apps would be updated in 30-90 days for the new resolution and capabilities.

This is about the size of PAPER.. So put this on an executive desk, or on a music stand, or out with a contractor to review PAPER documents. Bit it would ALSO have to be Retnia at 1.5x the current resolution.
 
If it is running IOS, I'm not interested. I'd rather use my 11" Air.

I agree. This is just more of Apple trying to shove more size/design variety out there rather than fix problems with existing products. iOS doesn't interest me either. Even though Mac OS X has been on a decline as well, ever since the release of Lion.

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It's nowhere near as bad as it was in the mid-90's, when shopping for a Mac was about as painful as looking for a Dell or HP is now.

True, but the direction that Apple is taking now isn't exactly inspiring confidence in it's customers.

Remember, having more options isn't a bad thing, so long as you're easily able to tell the difference between each device. For instance, hop on the Dell website, and you'll see 10 computers that are only slight variations of each other. If you don't exactly what you're looking for, that'd be a daunting pain in the ass to sift through. But 3 iPads? One big and powerful, one small and lightweight, and one in the middle? That's hardly an overbearing selection.

I really don't like Dell, but it is mostly because their desktops are garbage unless you want to pay more (ironic that they used to criticize Apple for costing too much). Plus they run Windows, which is riddled with dependencies.

Choice won't make much of a difference if people feel that they are getting more for their money with another product. Apple needs to fix it's problems with iOS7 and Mavericks. You could be using the fastest hardware on the planet and it won't make a bit of difference if you don't feel that the device or computer is user-friendly. As long as Apple keeps stripping features away from it's products (iOS, Mavericks, iWork, etc.), people will continue to go with less secure products simply because they are giving people what they want (please don't quote S.Jobs here, thanx).

Perception is everything.

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Looking forward to getting my hands on one of these thing when they come out apple take my money i am going to buy the biggest one they do to store all my videos on
 
I think it's humorous that some people will quickly make the geeky claim that iOS is OSX because they share low-level code. This is an utterly useless concept as far as users are concerned. Let me know when we can, say, add a font to iOS and I might start to believe the argument that iOS is just OSX with a touch UI. In the meantime, claims that they are actually the same is like saying an ostrich is a fish because they both have DNA.

Nice. Good job focussing on a tree and missing the entire forest. My point is that Apple already took their core technology and gave it a touch UI, so there is no need to do it again. But you are welcome to parse it out to make your own little point.
 
Nice. Good job focussing on a tree and missing the entire forest. My point is that Apple already took their core technology and gave it a touch UI, so there is no need to do it again. But you are welcome to parse it out to make your own little point.

Jolly good. The argument that iOS is OSX is of no use to anyone who doesn't write code, and probably isn't of a whole lot of use to them either. That was my "little point." If you could have demonstrated why this is important, then I'm sure you would have at least tried.
 
Jolly good. The argument that iOS is OSX is of no use to anyone who doesn't write code, and probably isn't of a whole lot of use to them either. That was my "little point." If you could have demonstrated why this is important, then I'm sure you would have at least tried.

Why it is important is that people keep saying "I wish they would make OS X touch aware." To which I say "They already did and called it iOS."
 
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