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1. Communist China has turned into a good example of sham capitalism. I suppose they can become a good example of a sham democracy as well.
2. The Kuomintang were indeed an unelected military dictatorship. But they did allow a great deal of civil freedom compared to the PRC. And present-day Taiwan is even better.
3. This won't be the first time Apple products are Made In China.
 
And whoever said FP iMac's are slow?????

Wasn't it just a year ago we were praising the G4 for being a "supercomputer"?????

FP iMac's are great, solid computers. I'd have one if I wasn't a student and needed a laptop.

:) :rolleyes: :D
 
Originally posted by Phil Of Mac
One question mark is enough.

And no, that was 1999. A year ago, we were complaining about Motorola and their slow G4.

One question mark is enough..... if you want to be boring.

To most consumers and those who don't spend their time making posts on a site like this, a G4 a year ago and a G4 in 1999 were the same processor.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
I suppose that the reason I think FP iMac's are fast is because the only one I have used is a 1GHz G4 with 1GB of RAM. That RAM really helps.

But still, FP iMac's are *not* slow, even with only 256MB of RAM.
 
Originally posted by Exponent
I'm all for world trade - provided it is with free countries with some basic standards of living (as these cost money to implement), and the countries actually import as much as they export.

I suspect they could if the US didn't subsidise it's own industries so much. Importing from the US usually completely kills your local economy or you're forced to subsidise it heavily to level it out or suffer from McD style economic imperialism invading your country at the expense of local businesses.
 
Exponent -- Your view is more Politically based, anyway it isn't that communism has to be bundled with stright rules and harsh punishments, its just the way they do it there.

Their human rights issue is a problem, but heck a rather large portion of goods bought by this country is made from china.

The current models of iMac *are* slow.

I would like a heck of a lot more CPU when I got this thing...

arg.
 
i think american agri exports are as or even more dangerous to other economies compared to manufactures.
 
Originally posted by MrMacman
Exponent -- Your view is more Politically based, anyway it isn't that communism has to be bundled with stright rules and harsh punishments, its just the way they do it there.

Their human rights issue is a problem, but heck a rather large portion of goods bought by this country is made from china.

The current models of iMac *are* slow.

I would like a heck of a lot more CPU when I got this thing...

arg.

Slow for what? Rendering a photo or movie? FP iMac= about 20 secs
G5= 10 secs, give or take

(the above numbers are an estimate.....don't jump on my back!)

There is not much of a difference. Consumers, WON'T know the difference! That's all I'm saying. Not everything in this world has to run like a G5, learn some patience!

Just to be childish: the FP iMac's are *not* slow.
 
I think that the iMac is still suffering from the performance/cost problem that the powermacs suffered from before the G5.

Once the G5's are introduced into the iMac's, that shouldn't be a problem.

Of course, I wouldn't buy one because monitors don't age the same as the computer. While the computer might be out of date in 2 years, a 17" LCD would still be the standard.
 
Wouldn't it be neat if you could remove the LCD screen as you wish? Like, for example, have both ends of the metallic arm of the current model FP iMac have Apple DVI connectors on either end?

That way, you could mount the screen on the wall, or put the dome under your desk with a cord.....or even, when you upgrade to a new computer, one could take the screen from the FP iMac and use it elsewhere!

Neat.....unlikely, but neat.

:) :rolleyes: :D
 
Originally posted by sethypoo
Slow for what? Rendering a photo or movie? FP iMac= about 20 secs
G5= 10 secs, give or take

(the above numbers are an estimate.....don't jump on my back!)

There is not much of a difference. Consumers, WON'T know the difference! That's all I'm saying. Not everything in this world has to run like a G5, learn some patience!

Just to be childish: the FP iMac's are *not* slow.
I would have to agree

my cube limits me to doing consumer stuff, but with enough ram it still feels speedy:eek:
not to say I would mind a g5. Then I would do more video stuff and my cube would be "slow"

edit: I feel more limted by the computer as a unit (no dvd burner small hd...)

anyway that is good news:D
 
Maybe they can just replace the iMac with the new Cube. I think the Cube was a good idea but just a little before it's time (just like the Newton)

At least they could introduce an Anniversary Cube or something.
 
Originally posted by Dippo
Maybe they can just replace the iMac with the new Cube. I think the Cube was a good idea but just a little before it's time (just like the Newton)

At least they could introduce an Anniversary Cube or something.

good idea,

if it is ugly maybe I could swap out the innards and put them in my current pretty cube :)

edit: something random I just realized is that my cube is probably more easily caried around then a 17'' pb:)

edit2: :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
 
Just about everything you buy these days is made in China. Not just computers, but shoes, clothes, dishes, furniture... people are addicted to the low prices and they don't notice or care that there really isn't any American shoe industry anymore, or clothing industry, or ... computer industry...

Anyway, we can only speculate as to what the iMac will be. My guess is that it will be cheaper. But Apple seems to be intro'ing products at seemingly random intervals, whenever they're ready. It doesn't seem like they're going to collect a bunch of stuff for a big splash at MWSF. Maybe MWSF will be all about Panther and iTunes for Windows and iSight for Windows, software updates, stuff like that.
 
Hmm, I always thought that this patent might have had something to do with the iMacs. I mean, the original colored ones were great for suiting your personality...how about one that is able to suit your mood? That would be pretty awesome.
 
you might be right limelight, i was wondering what ever happened to that patent myself. the general consensus has been that it would be used for the ipod... ah the rumors!

personally i hope that apple redesigns the imac to be based on apple flat panel displays. everything built into that form factor would really be something!
 
Either the ability to change colors of the shell (ie: sometime ago someone talked about color shifting or color changing material). I personally miss the colors. I still have a Strawberry iMac but I used to have a Blue Dalmation, my favorite colored iMac...and would have killed for a lime iMac..loved that color.

I had a Keylime iBook and couldn't get over how many people came over to look at it..when I had it out and about..it was a cool laptop. I love my 17" powerbook, but colors are cooler in my opinion..

Maybe a 19" iMac, that'd be cool. I'd love a detatchable screen (with wifi) so I can turn my screen into a tablet (wacom built into the screen)...that'd be a total kick!

Christopher
 
Importing from the US usually completely kills your local economy or you're forced to subsidize it heavily to level it out or suffer from McD style economic imperialism invading your country at the expense of local businesses.

It only kills the local economy if the local economy doesn't export value equal to what they import. Trade is supposed to allow each locality to specialize in what they do best, what they do most efficiently.

The U.S. is obviously willing to be a customer base for exports, they just need to get off their duffs and make something we need. (I know, imperfectly, we protect agriculture and steel, among others.) On the other hand, countries like mainland China just want to export, not import, and that's a recipe that leads to the U.S. losing its wealth.

To MrMacMan:
Your view is more Politically based, anyway it isn't that communism has to be bundled with straight rules and harsh punishments, its just the way they do it there.

Well, I'll use your reply as a way of tying this back to the original subject. Is saying "its just the way they do it there" really in line with the Apple philosophy of "Making the world better, one person at a time"?

If we really think that a computer is a fundamentally powerful tool, then we should also think about who we are supporting when we buy our computers. Do these people use the money we give them to elevate the individual, or do they use it to help keep others suppressed lower than themselves?

While I may sometimes disagree with the politics of Apple Computer, or Taiwan, or the U.S. Government, I also know that supporting them also helps support a system and community that (sometimes imperfectly) protects everyone's liberties. That's part of the good karma you get when you buy an iMac - right now.

But if iMac's are made in a repressive state like mainland China, I know that a chunk of that money is going to people who go out of their way to crush liberties. Bad karma, in a major way.

Are we really so lazy as consumers that we toss aside fundamental abuses with "the guys that I'm paying for this, well, they're different, so I'll buy that widget anyways"? I hope not, especially the Mac community.

EDIT: Grammar correction
 
Originally posted by x86isslow
the emac is a solid computer for the classroom, where the toughest game played is oregon trail (oh! the memories)

Oregon Trail!!!! HAHAHAHA, I remember that game, your right, that does bring back the memories

Anyway, back to the topic, which seems rare in this thread, where, and when, do you think we're going to get the information about the new iMac look? I don't really know how good AppleInsiders reputation is, so I'm not sure on how much to trust them. Are they making the casing themselves, or building the machines with the casing someone else is making? If so, we might be able to look at who is making the casing to try and get a general feel. That reminds me too much of MacWhispers, though, and we all saw how accurate that site was
 
Originally posted by mrsebastian
personally i hope that apple redesigns the imac to be based on apple flat panel displays. everything built into that form factor would really be something!

I've spent a great deal of time thinking about the imac redesign and was thinking exactly the same thing. The original imac was an all-in-one. FP iMac saw the separation of the display and 'innards'. A return to all in one via FP seems like the next logical step. A nice slot loading drive on the side, and a work around so the bluetooth keyboard and mouse are pre-paired with your system. As an all-in-one G5, the cooling technology adopted would also act as a precursor to the PB G5.. Seeing it wall-mountable would really spin my beanie... (I can hear the collective panting of desire from 'space challenged' designers worldwide...)
 
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