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Quartz Extreme Demo Movie

With a zoom that strong it's time for Apple to make the mouse less pixelated... :)

That video is absolutely cool!!! I wonder if the DVD is also accelerated with a graphics card!

The only think I would use the zoom for is when I'm watching a movie with bikini's... HEHEHEHEHEHE :)
 
I wonder how fast the zoom will work on a 22" flat screen? I'm assuming that doesn't make a difference??
 
I'm not all that impressed.

The resolution is very low on that monitor.
I get same results on the beta on my powerbook g4 4oo first generation.

I would like to see it on resolution of 1280+.

Although the beta is very nice.
Flash mx does not work on it though :(
 
Originally posted by julzmon
I'm not all that impressed.

The resolution is very low on that monitor.
I get same results on the beta on my powerbook g4 4oo first generation.

I would like to see it on resolution of 1280+.

Although the beta is very nice.
Flash mx does not work on it though :(
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I'm not so sure the resolution is too low. By the size of the mouse pointer, I think it is at 1024x768 with the icons and dock set very large. (Of course, I'm just guessing)
Seeing it at 1280x1024 would be nice though.
You say, I'm not all that impressed - well, what would be impressive then? No other OS graphics layer offers this level of complex scaling/compositing. What would impress you then? (not a jab - I'm really interested)
 
The zooming is uber cool!

But the overall speed of the dock and minimization and etc shown is the exact same speed that I have now...We have the same G4 DUAL 450...but I don't have either the update or the Geforce card..i feel as though I may be pushed to get the larger displays as well...for I can't see this working well in conjunction with a 2nd PCI video card on my 2 monitor setup...oh well progress and all...bygones

To anyone that had any doubts the biggest performance boost you can give any version of OSX is a 2nd processor.....i really don't feel any pinch to upgrade yet...except maybe a desire to keep up with the Job's.

Cheers
 
www.macnytt.com is a Swedish web site, not a German one.

Nytt means news in Swedish. MacNytt is obviously a Swedish news site.

Despite the passing resemblance, Swedish and German are quite easy to distinguish, even for those who don't know either language: German doesn't have the letter Å and Swedish doesn't have the letter Ü.
 
Originally posted by julzmon
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I get same results on the beta on my powerbook g4 4oo first generation...
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I'm going to be trying it on my PBG4 400 so I'll corroborate your findings.

I would be very surprised to see Jaguar run that fast on my TiPB with an 8MB Rage card.
 
I'll be damned...

I d/l'ed some copy of os x 10.2 beta a while ago, but never noticed you could do that hehe. Anyway it's an option called ZoomView in universal access in system preferences. You zoom in/out by pressing cmd-option +/-.

Sorry to disillusionate some of you, but I don't think it's really that impressive, it's just a rasterized zoom of your screen. TMHO it's completely hardware based, so don't think it'll ever keep fonts smooth (or even the cursor).
I admit though it looked very impressive in the movie on that site.

Some other notes about 10.2, boot up goes somewhat faster (15% or so). Graphics are considerably faster (genie effect etc...), but the OS still feels kinda unresponsive (I hope that's due to debugging symbols still in this pre-release).

I am using a G4 733 QS, so it all runs quite smooth.

I also tried zooming on a 1280 * 1024 resolution, it didn't make much of a difference.

And one more thing, the cursor has a shadow dropped underneath it (only shows in cocoa applications). I remember someone complaining about his windows buddies making fun of him 'cos mac didn't have that. Hope that'll make you happy :)
 
Re: zoomie

Originally posted by kansaigaijin
why doesn't the video have the typical refresh lines scrolling down the screen?
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Probably because he set his monitor refresh rate to 60hz (or 50hz, European standard for TVs). I think you overcome that problem then.
 
not impressed

No doubt, it's nice to see some demo movies of QE. However this movie really is not showing me anything that I care about.

I'd LIKE to see how QE performs with:
•live resizes of windows with complex dynamic data. ie Resize some browser windows or iPhoto. (I have a feeling that stuff like this is still going to be slow with QE)

•Scrolling and resizing though large list viewed windows or high res photoshop projects.
 
zzzz ... zzzz ... zzzz ...

Man, that was boring.

About One Trillion Billionth as boring as the X-Files Series Finale. :D :p
 
scrolling in photoshop would be the ultimate test

A lot of sites use than as a gauge of how useful a graphics card is for 2D work, Xlr8yourmac recently tested a GeForce4 Ti and noted that the scrolling speed in photoshop is 10 times slower under OS X. If it was back up to the speed of OS 9 then I think we're onto a winner here, plus as apple seem to offering the Radeon 8500 with the Xserver, I'd bet we could have one of those cards with ADC as a BTO soon, AFAIK, Ati cards are better for 2D than Nvidia cards mostly.
 
WOW!!

The magnification is incrediable!

This will make my collection of DVD Porn interesting!
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
I would be very surprised to see Jaguar run that fast on my TiPB with an 8MB Rage card.
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I'm completely with u there rower...

I think some of u guys here are being way too pessimistic on the subject...

I think this is a big step in video for Apple...

is there any other development of something similar going on with Microsoft?!
 
Originally posted by eyelikeart
I'm completely with u there rower...

I think some of u guys here are being way too pessimistic on the subject...

I think this is a big step in video for Apple...

is there any other development of something similar going on with Microsoft?!
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I'm trying to be more positive. I'm really excited about what they're doing...but the real make-or-break moment will be when I install it and run it...once Apple finally lets me get my grubby hands on it! ;)
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


I'm trying to be more positive. I'm really excited about what they're doing...but the real make-or-break moment will be when I install it and run it...once Apple finally lets me get my grubby hands on it! ;)
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he he he...I completely understand what u mean...

I wonder how much we'll be paying?! :eek: :p
 
Originally posted by eyelikeart
he he he...I completely understand what u mean...

I wonder how much we'll be paying?! :eek: :p
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I think that there are enough improvements and new features to warrant a substantial charge...say $50-60 for the upgrade $100 or so for the full version.
 
I made a new video

After seeing the Quartz Extreme video I decided to boot into Jaguar and try it out myself. I've been very unimpressed with Jaguar and QE, but after playing around it turns out the video is for real. HOWEVER the original video didn't have sound, and sound can and in my case at least, does, cut out during some of the effects. In particular when minimizing a running DVD and it's really bad with the zooming.

DVD's do NOT update in the dock like Quicktime movies do. And Quicktime movies do play in the dock, but the sound goes off. This happens in 10.1.4 too I believe. Anyhow my video has examples of all the things in the other video, plus comparisions with playing a Quicktime movie.

Some of you asked about how the system feels doing normal tasks, etc. The honest truth is not much different at all. In fact it's very dissapointing. Windows do NOT re-size any quicker. Or if they do, it's not noticable. About the only thing that's faster for sure are the f/x that the original video showed. As a comparision I also played some videos and DVD's in 10.1.4 and put that at the end of the video. You'll see that QE/jaguar helps a LOT at these tasks and is much more reliable (if not "faster").

But it's not like I spend my days minimizing videos with the genie effect on. I'd much prefer to have seen speed increases in resizing and scrolling. Sorry for the bad news, but that's just the way it is. If it's REALLY important to any of you I can do a video with those things in it (resizing, etc). But it won't look any different from 10.1.4, or at least not much.

Anyhow here's the deal, I do NOT want my box to be killed with a 1000 of you downloading this video (it's over 20mb). So PLEASE if you download it, mirror it and put up another link. If I have bandwidth issues I *WILL* remove it.

Let me know what you think. Sorry I'm no George Lucas.

http://207.182.242.235/jaguardemo1.mov

Cheers,
John
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


I think that there are enough improvements and new features to warrant a substantial charge...say $50-60 for the upgrade $100 or so for the full version.
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I'd have to say that $50-$60 is a bit high in my opinion...I was thinking more like $25 or so...

but whatever...I'm not going to need the full anyway... :D
 
Originally posted by eyelikeart
I'd have to say that $50-$60 is a bit high in my opinion...I was thinking more like $25 or so...

but whatever...I'm not going to need the full anyway... :D
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OS X is $130 now for the full version, and most software upgrades are typically 1/2 the full price, so...but cheaper would be better. :D
 
Re: I made a new video

Originally posted by johnpg
Anyhow here's the deal, I do NOT want my box to be killed with a 1000 of you downloading this video (it's over 20mb). So PLEASE if you download it, mirror it and put up another link. If I have bandwidth issues I *WILL* remove it.

Let me know what you think. Sorry I'm no George Lucas.
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I will say it's an improvement....but still no cigar if u ask me...

ok so I'm not siding with the pessimists here....but it's not a completely fixed situation....yet...I have faith that it will be very...very killer in it's final version...

funny though...u picked Weezer as a sample video...there was a newbie making a big deal over Weezer in the Favorite Song thread... ;)
 
Re: Re: I made a new video

Originally posted by eyelikeart
funny though...u picked Weezer as a sample video...there was a newbie making a big deal over Weezer in the Favorite Song thread... ;)
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Well I'm not the guy from the other thread, but I do love Weezer none the less.

I don't want to sound like a pessimist or anything. It's a BIG improvement at some things, and we are working with a beta (alpha?) here. I was just hoping for more after reading all the rave reviews. But I'll reserve final judgement for the actual release.

Cheers,
John
 
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