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Quartz Extreme Demo Movie
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Re: I made a new video
Great post john!
I could not agree with you more. However, at the same time I'm not shocked to hear to say that window resizes have not improved on Mac OS X.
From what I understand QE is simply an OpenGL wrapper for the Quartz compositing engine. This is not really going to speed up things such as window resizes. A lot of this math still has to be done on the CPU.
What is really needed is native GPU hardware to which we can fully offload quartz.
But since that will be a few years away, we REALLY need mac developers to start understanding the limitations of quartz. For example - instead of dynamically resizing content in browser windows when a window is resized, developers should allow page content to update after a live resize has taken place.
Moreover, Apple needs to supply developers with dev tools that allow stuff like this to be done easily.
Great post john!
I could not agree with you more. However, at the same time I'm not shocked to hear to say that window resizes have not improved on Mac OS X.
From what I understand QE is simply an OpenGL wrapper for the Quartz compositing engine. This is not really going to speed up things such as window resizes. A lot of this math still has to be done on the CPU.
What is really needed is native GPU hardware to which we can fully offload quartz.
But since that will be a few years away, we REALLY need mac developers to start understanding the limitations of quartz. For example - instead of dynamically resizing content in browser windows when a window is resized, developers should allow page content to update after a live resize has taken place.
Moreover, Apple needs to supply developers with dev tools that allow stuff like this to be done easily.
Re: Re: Re: I made a new video
I agree totally....it didn't appear to be ready for release...the audio dropouts...whatever though...there is a big improvement from what we have in 10.1.4....that's for certain...
I wonder if it will be ready for the release?
could this be a key reason why we have yet to see 10.2?
I agree totally....it didn't appear to be ready for release...the audio dropouts...whatever though...there is a big improvement from what we have in 10.1.4....that's for certain...
I wonder if it will be ready for the release?
could this be a key reason why we have yet to see 10.2?
Re: Re: Re: Re: I made a new video
Actually, I think that the biggest reason that we have not seen X.2 yet is due to quicktime 6. The WWDC build is not the most recent seed of 10.2 that is out there among developers. I hope that we will see it at NY, and if not by mid Sept.
Actually, I think that the biggest reason that we have not seen X.2 yet is due to quicktime 6. The WWDC build is not the most recent seed of 10.2 that is out there among developers. I hope that we will see it at NY, and if not by mid Sept.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I made a new video
I hear that...after the videos yesterday....I've grown increasingly eager for the release now..he he he...
what's the version build up to now...out of curiosity?
I hear that...after the videos yesterday....I've grown increasingly eager for the release now..he he he...
what's the version build up to now...out of curiosity?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I made a new video
Man, I honestly do not know. I know that at least one seed has been release since WWDC, and I don't think the WWDC version is the most recent because it doesn't have Sherlock 3 in it, and iChat is at ver .75. That means they are close with it. Yea, not only are the videos making me want to see X.2 released without all of the beta code, but it makes me want a G4 system. My little iBook is running so much better with X.2, but it still cannot do anything like what is in the two videos.
E-mail railheaddesign, and they can tell you what the build on X.2 is.
Man, I honestly do not know. I know that at least one seed has been release since WWDC, and I don't think the WWDC version is the most recent because it doesn't have Sherlock 3 in it, and iChat is at ver .75. That means they are close with it. Yea, not only are the videos making me want to see X.2 released without all of the beta code, but it makes me want a G4 system. My little iBook is running so much better with X.2, but it still cannot do anything like what is in the two videos.
E-mail railheaddesign, and they can tell you what the build on X.2 is.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I made a new video
u don't happen to have any #'s of which to compare your iBook to a G4 system by chance do u?
I'm curious to know how it will run on my TiBook....once it's installed...
u don't happen to have any #'s of which to compare your iBook to a G4 system by chance do u?
I'm curious to know how it will run on my TiBook....once it's installed...
It is really a disapointment to me that 10.2 won't be the OS 9 speed package I hoped it would be!
After watching that video, I think the guy who posted the video, needs defiantly to send his Studio Display for repair!!! Look at the on light flashing!
After watching that video, I think the guy who posted the video, needs defiantly to send his Studio Display for repair!!! Look at the on light flashing!
doesnt anyone remember Close View in OS9? The only difference was it zoomed all at once not step by step (would you call that 'live zooming'?).
It just sounds like everyone thinks 'zooming' is an entirely new feature...maybe i'm wrong...
I used the old Close View all the time for zooming in on movies...especially embedded real content/windows media in a browser window that was much too small to see and couldnt be presented full screen...
katchow
It just sounds like everyone thinks 'zooming' is an entirely new feature...maybe i'm wrong...
I used the old Close View all the time for zooming in on movies...especially embedded real content/windows media in a browser window that was much too small to see and couldnt be presented full screen...
katchow
Re: well...
No joke. If I had a machine that was less than 2 years old and it couldn't take advantage of new technology in anyway i would be pissed.
Also, this type of excelleration (or something similar) should have been implemented 2 years ago, but ATI dropped the ball as usual.
No joke. If I had a machine that was less than 2 years old and it couldn't take advantage of new technology in anyway i would be pissed.
Also, this type of excelleration (or something similar) should have been implemented 2 years ago, but ATI dropped the ball as usual.
Positive & Negative
julzmon
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Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Huntington Beach
Posts: 4
I'm not all that impressed.
when I read the response by "Juizmon". I thought what a
spoiled brat. And I couldn't wait to post something nasty
in response to his negative attitude.
Then I realized were all seeing this through a filter of our
own experiences. So maybe his stinky childish response
is warrented. Probably.
Anyway, I just think that it's really not a good idea to get
negative because of some users experience with QE in
OS X.2 BETA. I mean come on does the word BETA mean
anything to you pessamists?
Jeeze, I HOPE we will see speed improvements but we wont
know the % until OSX.2 comes out.
So pull that Gstring out of your ass and relax folks, unless
of course you like being uptight.
hehe.
really, dissapointed. Give me a break.
julzmon
macrumors newbie
Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Huntington Beach
Posts: 4
I'm not all that impressed.
when I read the response by "Juizmon". I thought what a
spoiled brat. And I couldn't wait to post something nasty
in response to his negative attitude.
Then I realized were all seeing this through a filter of our
own experiences. So maybe his stinky childish response
is warrented. Probably.
Anyway, I just think that it's really not a good idea to get
negative because of some users experience with QE in
OS X.2 BETA. I mean come on does the word BETA mean
anything to you pessamists?
Jeeze, I HOPE we will see speed improvements but we wont
know the % until OSX.2 comes out.
So pull that Gstring out of your ass and relax folks, unless
of course you like being uptight.
hehe.
really, dissapointed. Give me a break.
Re: Re: well...
this should work out perfectly for me at least...I'm planning on scooping up the next generation PowerBook....maybe MWSF?
this should work out perfectly for me at least...I'm planning on scooping up the next generation PowerBook....maybe MWSF?
Man I need to get more RAM... 384 isn't enough anymore!!! Hence the 128 I have in my indigo iBook
Originally posted by dantec
Man I need to get more RAM... 384 isn't enough anymore!!! Hence the 128 I have in my indigo iBook
I have a 512 chip waiting with my name on it...
I've heard mixed reviews though...some say RAM helps out with X....others say they do not see much difference...regardless I'm going for it...if anything it'll be a selling point for me if I ever get rid of my Ti...
It pisses me off as a Tech Advisor for a legal firm that has quite a few older powermacs and powerbooks. Especially since we have quite a few tibooks that have the 16 meg and 8 meg cards.
We got to quit, as a community, letting apple slide on stuff. We got to let them know they got to get their act straight, so they will make their os swamp the competition.
I personally don't care what the competition is, for I love mac os x, but it's getting tiring of all the half baked crap they through at us. It's like they willingly take advantage of our devotion to them. LOL.
Like evil gods. LOL.
As for ram, RAM is the biggest thing with mac os x. I am running a g3 400 powermac here at work and a g3 400 powerbook. I originally had 256 ram in the powermac and it was sluggish. Just adding 128 ram sped things up greatly. When I put it to 512, it ran beautifully.
The powerbook is the same way. It had 192, and It would churn when I had 3 apps open, and small apps to boot. I have boosted it to 384 and it runs a lot smoother.
The thing you want to do is prevent OS X from paging out in the ram, or using virtual memory. You want to allow it to cache as much info as it can to speed up operations. Also so it doesn't have to costantly move things to the drive, which if you have 256 megs or ram or less, and use a couple of apps at a time, you need 256+.
GPT
We got to quit, as a community, letting apple slide on stuff. We got to let them know they got to get their act straight, so they will make their os swamp the competition.
I personally don't care what the competition is, for I love mac os x, but it's getting tiring of all the half baked crap they through at us. It's like they willingly take advantage of our devotion to them. LOL.
Like evil gods. LOL.
As for ram, RAM is the biggest thing with mac os x. I am running a g3 400 powermac here at work and a g3 400 powerbook. I originally had 256 ram in the powermac and it was sluggish. Just adding 128 ram sped things up greatly. When I put it to 512, it ran beautifully.
The powerbook is the same way. It had 192, and It would churn when I had 3 apps open, and small apps to boot. I have boosted it to 384 and it runs a lot smoother.
The thing you want to do is prevent OS X from paging out in the ram, or using virtual memory. You want to allow it to cache as much info as it can to speed up operations. Also so it doesn't have to costantly move things to the drive, which if you have 256 megs or ram or less, and use a couple of apps at a time, you need 256+.
GPT
Originally posted by dantec
Man I need to get more RAM... 384 isn't enough anymore!!! Hence the 128 I have in my indigo iBook
I know the feeling. I just recently went from 384 to 768Mb RAM. Sad part is, i still get pageouts. Nowhere near as many, but still some. VPC runs better now though.
Originally posted by eyelikeart
I surprisingly do not get any...and I'm only running 384 MB myself...
odd?!
My TiBook w/ 640MB occasionally pages out, but only if I'm really multitasking with heavy duty apps
Re: Re: Is this really a big deal?
Think about what you're asking. You want to zoom in on a curve at a pixel level and you want to have Adobe make it such that the curves retain their crispness?
That's gonna break the pixel up into mini pixels. If you zoom in and try to edit something, just what in god's name will you be editing? something real, something fake?
Think about what you're asking. You want to zoom in on a curve at a pixel level and you want to have Adobe make it such that the curves retain their crispness?
That's gonna break the pixel up into mini pixels. If you zoom in and try to edit something, just what in god's name will you be editing? something real, something fake?
Re: Re: Re: Is this really a big deal?
Illustrator is a vector-based graphics editor. Vectors are mathematical curves, not pixels.
There's no reason why a vector shape should break up into pixels.
Illustrator is a vector-based graphics editor. Vectors are mathematical curves, not pixels.
There's no reason why a vector shape should break up into pixels.