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Quicken 2007 May Run on OS X Lion, Even With Rosetta Dead
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Sorry, but no. It's a bit more complicated than that.
The truth is, software developers should rely more on platform APIs and do less dirty hacks.
IF you started developing your app around the time Cocoa was available AND you've been doing things the right way (future proof, no gambling) AND you don't want to get away with "write once, debug everywhere"-syle B.S., then at most a recompile should do the trick.
Vendors can't support everything forever; that stagnates innovation and ties both their hands and feet. Look at Windows if you don't believe me.
Intuit is pure trash.
If you think this is bad you should look at the PC versions. We support a lot of customers running QB and mostly in multiple version environments(CPA's, bookkeepers, etc).
It's horrible software and most of it is centered around their database implementation. They run one single DB instance, regardless of how many copies or what version of QB file it is serving. They have their own internal DB security and different versions will change the master key all by itself locking others out.
It's a mess. Intuit has for a LONG time needed to use a 3rd party DB provider for serving their data. Something that works. A move to SQL Server on Windows, or mySQL on the Mac would go a long long way to fixing their problems.
But when you own 90ish percent of the market, and Peachtree is worse, why change?
If you think this is bad you should look at the PC versions. We support a lot of customers running QB and mostly in multiple version environments(CPA's, bookkeepers, etc).
It's horrible software and most of it is centered around their database implementation. They run one single DB instance, regardless of how many copies or what version of QB file it is serving. They have their own internal DB security and different versions will change the master key all by itself locking others out.
It's a mess. Intuit has for a LONG time needed to use a 3rd party DB provider for serving their data. Something that works. A move to SQL Server on Windows, or mySQL on the Mac would go a long long way to fixing their problems.
But when you own 90ish percent of the market, and Peachtree is worse, why change?
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Why not just add the features missing to the current quicken. This seems like a waste of resources by intuit.
Why not just add the features missing to the current quicken. This seems like a waste of resources by intuit.
Palm? HAHAHAHAHAHA
Wait... install Rosetta? Friend, do you even understand what's going on here?
I see you're still up to your usual self -- making up stuff and passing it off as fact, regardless of how nonsensical/incorrect it is.
This is one of the main reasons OSX runs so much better. If you try to keep all the old code in the OS layer to run very old apps it slows down everything else. Apple keeps their OS clean which means they have to limit backwards compatibility...
Why remove Rosetta in the first place?
I full get that technology moves on and Apple is known for more cutting edge formats and standards than Windows (in many cases).
That said, why can't Rosetta be included? If there is an associated licensing cost I can see Apple making that distinction. But if it were to be an optional install and has no performance hit for being trhere, then provide the functionality to the user base. Not everyone has to be curting edge and always update. Some do have legacy apps that are business critical.
Yes, Intuit is a bunch of tools for making a new Quicken tha is so nerfed to be nearly useless. Quicken 2007 was a mature product that many based their personal and business life on. It is a shame that they now are forced to decide to upgrade or not.
I just do not see why Apple could not include Rosetta as good will unless there is a cost associated. Yes the PPC transition was years ago, but for some, conversion is not an easy option and the benefits of Lion are essential as well. We want the Mac to be a viable platform, and the more we are limited by arbitrary rules it hurts the entire community.
I full get that technology moves on and Apple is known for more cutting edge formats and standards than Windows (in many cases).
That said, why can't Rosetta be included? If there is an associated licensing cost I can see Apple making that distinction. But if it were to be an optional install and has no performance hit for being trhere, then provide the functionality to the user base. Not everyone has to be curting edge and always update. Some do have legacy apps that are business critical.
Yes, Intuit is a bunch of tools for making a new Quicken tha is so nerfed to be nearly useless. Quicken 2007 was a mature product that many based their personal and business life on. It is a shame that they now are forced to decide to upgrade or not.
I just do not see why Apple could not include Rosetta as good will unless there is a cost associated. Yes the PPC transition was years ago, but for some, conversion is not an easy option and the benefits of Lion are essential as well. We want the Mac to be a viable platform, and the more we are limited by arbitrary rules it hurts the entire community.
I think this is a cop out.
To my experience, Rosetta never impaired Intel performance. Yes, Rosetta emulation was slower than native, but that is the price you pay. Merely having Rosetta installed made no difference.
Many utilities exist to strip out PPC code from Universal apps as well so save space.
Make it an optional install, and those us of with no legacy apps can run Lion and those who depend on legacy apps may run Lion with Rosetta.
They've started doing that... It's called Quicken Essentials... and so far, it appears to be a lame duck at best. They probably figure that they have several years of work ahead of them before Essentials is able to evolve to the point of being a worthwhile successor to Quicken 2007.
In the mean time, if Quicken 2007 stops working, they'd be left with no full-featured product to offer to their Mac customers.
They seem to think that allocating engineering resources to embedding their own copy of licensed Rosetta technologies might be the most efficient (or perhaps only) way to deliver a full-featured product for Lion in anything close to an acceptable timeframe.
Most likely support costs. For Rosetta to continue, there would have to be a support team at Apple in charge of it. 4 or 5 people to answer calls, make sure the software packages install correctly in each subsequent OS X version, fix security bugs, be paid a salary, take up space in Apple buildings, and something else that takes Apple's management's attention (for even a minisule piece of time) when their attention should be on the future.
There is no ROI (Return on Investment) for something like this, so it's cancelled.
Can you take your VCR to Best Buy for repair? Probably not. At some point, companies have to choose whether the money they make is worth it or not. Even something like SELLING a VCR, even though it seems like it would be no problem, takes up retail space, and time from associates answering questions about it, etc. that it's just not worth it at some point.
Odd approach.
You would have thought they would just, oh, I don't know, invest those resources for developing out the most current intel compatible version?
You would have thought they would just, oh, I don't know, invest those resources for developing out the most current intel compatible version?
Besides the many other options like moving to another application, iOS app, or using the modern Quicken Windows version, just spend $50 bucks to purchase an old iMac and run Quicken on that.
Everyone I know is switching to iBank 4. The boneheads at Quicken are too dumb to realize that they would have far more Mac than PC customers if their Mac software was at least on par with what they've developed on Windoz. I think iBank is going to capture the Mac market. It's GUI is outstanding and it's pure 64 bit.
The application hasn't been updated for 4 years. You'd best be exporting your tables as Excel, XML or some comma-separated file, and import to a new app.
Or just don't upgrade your Mac, which Quicken doesn't seem to have.
Former Windows & Money User Frustrated
About three years ago I started my transition to a Mac-only computer lifestyle. During that time, until a month ago, I have maintained a windows xp desktop and an iMac. THe windows desktop existed only because I could not find robust mac alternatives to Microsoft Access and Money.
Several weeks ago, I finally invested in FileMaker Pro and have begun the process of porting my several large database from Access.
The transition from Money to Quicken Mac Essentials (QME) has been profoundly frustrating. I too read the nearly universal bad reviews of Mac Essentials before plopping my money down. I am/was a hardcore Money user since its inception in 1991. So like the many long-time quicken users, I had a lot of historic financial data that I did not want to lose. I was sucked into the fact that I would "easily" be able to convert my data to QME. Additionally, I hoped that the application was just a starting point for the application and that perhaps Quicken would follow up with a more capable version in the future.
First, the conversion process was not simple. When I downloaded the conversion app, I learned (after contacting tech support) that I had to download the full Quicken for Windows app first. Thus the conversion process goes like this: open MS Money data file in conversion app. Open converted file in Quicken for windows. Copy quicken file to Mac machine and open (convert) file in QME. It did work, but it struck me as inefficient and poorly designed.
The application, for which I had low expectations, seems to at least maintain bank accounts and provide budgeting and reporting functionality. These functions are limited at best. Additionally, the register interface and entry process is much less efficient than Money. This is a huge frustration.
While QME may in some way seem aesthetically slick, the lack of functionality is appalling even for things it can do. Although I thought Money did not provide great opportunities to create custom spending & budget reports, QME is even more limited.
I was heartened when ver 1.5 was released as it was, to me, an indication that the company was working to improve and build on the product, but I am very worried that they are going to dump further development of it. I scour the web weekly looking for any news about a version 2.0 to no avail.
I wonder if the folks at Quicken are aware of the (to say the least) dissatisfaction of Mac users for their product. If so, why not make an explicit public declaration that they are committed to make QME a solid personal finance program and that their goal is to create functionality parity with its other Quicken products? I sense no guiding principle to their Quicken product plans. As many here have pointed out, the Mac platform is growing substantially and the market, seems to me, to be fertile for growth for QME.
Sorry for the long post, and to anyone who has spent the time to read this. I can only assume that misery loves company.
About three years ago I started my transition to a Mac-only computer lifestyle. During that time, until a month ago, I have maintained a windows xp desktop and an iMac. THe windows desktop existed only because I could not find robust mac alternatives to Microsoft Access and Money.
Several weeks ago, I finally invested in FileMaker Pro and have begun the process of porting my several large database from Access.
The transition from Money to Quicken Mac Essentials (QME) has been profoundly frustrating. I too read the nearly universal bad reviews of Mac Essentials before plopping my money down. I am/was a hardcore Money user since its inception in 1991. So like the many long-time quicken users, I had a lot of historic financial data that I did not want to lose. I was sucked into the fact that I would "easily" be able to convert my data to QME. Additionally, I hoped that the application was just a starting point for the application and that perhaps Quicken would follow up with a more capable version in the future.
First, the conversion process was not simple. When I downloaded the conversion app, I learned (after contacting tech support) that I had to download the full Quicken for Windows app first. Thus the conversion process goes like this: open MS Money data file in conversion app. Open converted file in Quicken for windows. Copy quicken file to Mac machine and open (convert) file in QME. It did work, but it struck me as inefficient and poorly designed.
The application, for which I had low expectations, seems to at least maintain bank accounts and provide budgeting and reporting functionality. These functions are limited at best. Additionally, the register interface and entry process is much less efficient than Money. This is a huge frustration.
While QME may in some way seem aesthetically slick, the lack of functionality is appalling even for things it can do. Although I thought Money did not provide great opportunities to create custom spending & budget reports, QME is even more limited.
I was heartened when ver 1.5 was released as it was, to me, an indication that the company was working to improve and build on the product, but I am very worried that they are going to dump further development of it. I scour the web weekly looking for any news about a version 2.0 to no avail.
I wonder if the folks at Quicken are aware of the (to say the least) dissatisfaction of Mac users for their product. If so, why not make an explicit public declaration that they are committed to make QME a solid personal finance program and that their goal is to create functionality parity with its other Quicken products? I sense no guiding principle to their Quicken product plans. As many here have pointed out, the Mac platform is growing substantially and the market, seems to me, to be fertile for growth for QME.
Sorry for the long post, and to anyone who has spent the time to read this. I can only assume that misery loves company.
What a bunch of $h@& from the Intuit VP.
What he is saying is that it isn't worth their while to do things for the Mac.
The PC version always had more features and with essentials they took away
features from 2007, which is why people who have been using Quicken for a long time do not "upgrade" to the subpar versions on sale now.
Besides never caring about the Mac users, maybe they are just to dumb to write the code for Macs even with intel chips?
Edit: Mentioned above also, read it after my post.
Why not outsource the code writing or have Apple do it for you? Millions of people sitting in India waiting for it!
Tried most, happy with none.
My wife and I were long time Quicken for Windows users in the early 90's and were shocked at how bad the Mac version was when we switched in 1999. We struggled along, ignoring the bugs until they got so bad that we left for other tools around 2008. We tried ChaChing, MoneyDance, iBank, GnuCash and CrossOver Office for Quicken and Money which was still pretty buggy too. None of the Mac ones worked very well and the windows stuff really wasn't stable under CrossOver (wine).
We even tried Quicken in VMWare but found it wasn't really much better and lost an entire afternoon's worth of reconsilianion work because we dared to put the Data file in a dropbox folder for backups. Money looked promising but Microsoft out a bullet in it's head so that's no longer an option.
We've settled on MoneyWell but it has bugs too.
I hadn't heard of See Finance before, maybe I will give it a shot.
My wife and I were long time Quicken for Windows users in the early 90's and were shocked at how bad the Mac version was when we switched in 1999. We struggled along, ignoring the bugs until they got so bad that we left for other tools around 2008. We tried ChaChing, MoneyDance, iBank, GnuCash and CrossOver Office for Quicken and Money which was still pretty buggy too. None of the Mac ones worked very well and the windows stuff really wasn't stable under CrossOver (wine).
We even tried Quicken in VMWare but found it wasn't really much better and lost an entire afternoon's worth of reconsilianion work because we dared to put the Data file in a dropbox folder for backups. Money looked promising but Microsoft out a bullet in it's head so that's no longer an option.
We've settled on MoneyWell but it has bugs too.
I hadn't heard of See Finance before, maybe I will give it a shot.
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No one is forcing you to upgrade to the next operating system. If quicken is so important to you, don't upgrade!
I tried iBank also out of frustration about Intuit and like the look and feel, but unless I don't know what I am doing IMO it requires too many clicks to enter something.
With Quicken you hit the return button and get a new register row to enter the next transaction.
I wrote the company about it and they say it's scheduled for development, whatever that means.
Anybody that will offer a good alternative to Quicken will rule the MAC market in that field. Can't wait to ditch Quicken.
I understand completely. I went through the same thing.
Quicken/Microsoft Money was the only program I could not find an equal for in the mac world. It was the only program I still had to use in windows, and eventually I bought VMWare, and booted into windows for Microsoft Money.
I saw Quicken for Mac, but it was so bad compared to the windows version, that VMWare was the better solution.
Quicken (or even Microsoft) could make a lot of money if they could develop a decent program for macs. I've tried other money management programs on the mac, but to this day, nothing is right for my needs except Quicken/Microsoft Money in windows.
I use vmware to run Windows7 Bootcamp partition on my iMac. Quicken for Windows > Quicken Essentials.
I still struggle to see the reason(s) why Intuit decided to cripple their OSX offerings.
I still struggle to see the reason(s) why Intuit decided to cripple their OSX offerings.