Hey, the picture is still on the first page of the forum in one of my posts. I flipped it hoiz. so that it would match the current case config.
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I still think that it's a conspiracy created by Apple to get us excited, and to see what we say about it in forums like these. In that case
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Just 133mhz bus? Where is RapidIO?
Only support for 2 processors?
That thing better support up to 2Gb of RAM
Nice RAID support. I hope it takes advantages of many advanced RAID features...
The case in store for this beast better have 2 front end accessible drive bays, and up to 4 HD's inside...
Give it all the cooling you want so you can stuff as much into it as possible! Pro users are usually more concerned about what their machine can do, not how quiet they are. If they want peace quiet, they can get an iMac...
Firewire 2, nice...
If it is for a rack, how about hot-swappable hard drives? eh?
If anyone else has anything to add, please, contribute. Apple may have their associates here at macrumors...
Remember, you won't get it until you ask for it. Apple may be a great company with certain powers, but they can't read our minds (90% of the time, that is, but there is much unknown about Steve's RDF...)
:Just 133mhz bus? Where is RapidIO?
Only support for 2 processors?
That thing better support up to 2Gb of RAM
Nice RAID support. I hope it takes advantages of many advanced RAID features...
The case in store for this beast better have 2 front end accessible drive bays, and up to 4 HD's inside...
Give it all the cooling you want so you can stuff as much into it as possible! Pro users are usually more concerned about what their machine can do, not how quiet they are. If they want peace quiet, they can get an iMac...
Firewire 2, nice...
If it is for a rack, how about hot-swappable hard drives? eh?
If anyone else has anything to add, please, contribute. Apple may have their associates here at macrumors...
Remember, you won't get it until you ask for it. Apple may be a great company with certain powers, but they can't read our minds (90% of the time, that is, but there is much unknown about Steve's RDF...)
Even if it isn't a conspiracy, I still believe that you won't get anything until you ask for it. And I do believe that Apple visits these forums regularly... How else do you explain Apple's amazing ability to force sites to take down stuff that Apple doesn't want them to show...
I wonder if the Apple legal department has counters in their offices that say: "***** number of pictures removed", "**** numbers of articles removed", "number of times they were right: **", "Number of times SpyMac was right: 0"
I wonder if the Apple legal department has counters in their offices that say: "***** number of pictures removed", "**** numbers of articles removed", "number of times they were right: **", "Number of times SpyMac was right: 0"
Originally posted by G4scott
Even if it isn't a conspiracy, I still believe that you won't get anything until you ask for it. And I do believe that Apple visits these forums regularly... How else do you explain Apple's amazing ability to force sites to take down stuff that Apple doesn't want them to show...
I wonder if the Apple legal department has counters in their offices that say: "***** number of pictures removed", "**** numbers of articles removed", "number of times they were right: **", "Number of times SpyMac was right: 0"
heh...
Oh yeah - I'm sure they read the major mac publications etc... but the "it must be an Apple-created hoax to throw us off" reasoning happens with every major leak/rumor - which I personally find ridiculous.
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Bahhh rapidi/o again
Have you guys who keep begging for RapidI/O even read the PowerPC Roadmap? Take one look at it, i'm too lazy to link but just go to motorola's page (www.motorola.com). There will be no RapidI/O until the G5. They don't plan on including it. It will never happen.
Sorry, need to vent, but seriously guys.... stop whining for the RapidI/O because it's not coming in a G4
Arrrghh....
Have you guys who keep begging for RapidI/O even read the PowerPC Roadmap? Take one look at it, i'm too lazy to link but just go to motorola's page (www.motorola.com). There will be no RapidI/O until the G5. They don't plan on including it. It will never happen.
Sorry, need to vent, but seriously guys.... stop whining for the RapidI/O because it's not coming in a G4
Originally posted by G4scott
I still think that it's a conspiracy created by Apple to get us excited, and to see what we say about it in forums like these. In that case
...
Remember, you won't get it until you ask for it. Apple may be a great company with certain powers, but they can't read our minds (90% of the time, that is, but there is much unknown about Steve's RDF...)
I think you've got it all wrong. Its not even conceivable to believe the technology upgrades and R&D were even remotely based on what is said here and on other rumor sites. I am sure Apple knows what it needs to do, much better than most of the people hanging around the rumor boards.
Next you'll be telling us it was all an Apple conspiracy to have Time Canada circulate the magazine with the new LCD imac on its cover 1 day too soon?
Please
my theory
based upon the following:
A) i tracked down this guy's location by looking thru his other auctions. he's located in Moorpark, CA. which is right outside of simi valley and not too far from thousand oaks.
B) his other auctions are OS9, X and FCP system cds-small easily nicked items
C) he states the DDR really speeds things up-so he's seen it run but c'mon, if he had it on his own system he'd NEVER sell it.
D) he's dumb enough to try and sell it.
i think he's an intern or a "tea-runner" for a post, FX or animation house--one of the biggies that gets beta units.
and since apple knows where EVERY one of their test boards go and is most likely accounting for them right now....
tomorrow, this guys out of a job( and probably out of the industry after a few phone calls ).
based upon the following:
A) i tracked down this guy's location by looking thru his other auctions. he's located in Moorpark, CA. which is right outside of simi valley and not too far from thousand oaks.
B) his other auctions are OS9, X and FCP system cds-small easily nicked items
C) he states the DDR really speeds things up-so he's seen it run but c'mon, if he had it on his own system he'd NEVER sell it.
D) he's dumb enough to try and sell it.
i think he's an intern or a "tea-runner" for a post, FX or animation house--one of the biggies that gets beta units.
and since apple knows where EVERY one of their test boards go and is most likely accounting for them right now....
tomorrow, this guys out of a job( and probably out of the industry after a few phone calls ).
Trust no one!!!
Who told you to say that ?!?!?!?!
Originally posted by dukestreet
Next you'll be telling us it was all an Apple conspiracy to have Time Canada circulate the magazine with the new LCD imac on its cover 1 day too soon?
Please
Who told you to say that ?!?!?!?!
Other than Firewire 2, if this board represents what Apple is planning to come out with soon, won't they still be behind the technology curve?
You may be selling Apple short. Hopefully what they actually come out with will be BEYOND this.
It would be a bit embarrassing to not make a bigger leap. You introduce a new product that doesn't even catch up? Nah...this is just an old test mule.
You may be selling Apple short. Hopefully what they actually come out with will be BEYOND this.
It would be a bit embarrassing to not make a bigger leap. You introduce a new product that doesn't even catch up? Nah...this is just an old test mule.
Looks like I got a bit excited in a previous post about the PCI. I thought it said 66MHz but it says 64-Bit.
I hope the PCI slot is faster.... if not, though, it would not be the end of the world.
I hope the PCI slot is faster.... if not, though, it would not be the end of the world.
Re: my theory
haha, i have a feeling he's already out of whatever job he had if it WAS related to how he got this (assuming it's real of course)... he's done. no need to wait til tomorrow to can his arse
haha, i have a feeling he's already out of whatever job he had if it WAS related to how he got this (assuming it's real of course)... he's done. no need to wait til tomorrow to can his arse
G5 Nah Not yet.
Let me say a few things that I've noticed.
The board is deffinately an Apple prototype because of its color and the circuit lines are visable. So that discounts the spray paint and super-glue theory.
The mysterious "1394b" connection is not that for one reason. Firewire 2 is ment to be able to accept normal firewire 1 connectors as well. In other words it is backwards compatable just only at the slower speed. The connector in the photo is more shallow then the normal firewire connections that are obvious. This would mean a firewire plug would not fit in it properly.
Rapid IO will not be around until the G5 and Apple is of course working on DDR compatability for the post Apallo G4 chips. What is a possibility is G4 chips with DDR for the consumer lines and G5 with Rapid IO for the pro line.
Since the birth of OS X Apple has realized that the market is there for rack mount designs and has had prototypes for well over a year and a half. So this board might be that old. But one thing is for sure that is a connection for a G4 daughter card on the mother board. Another small trend... red mother boards tend to be near their final design phases there have been pictures of red MB 6100 prototypes (just one example) that look exactly the same or very close to the final green MB. Some times I think Steve is like what they said about god in the movie dogma, I wonder what kind of laugh we give that guy sometimes... either that or grief lol.
A@ron
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Please no more of this Apple messing with our heads ideas please!
Let me say a few things that I've noticed.
The board is deffinately an Apple prototype because of its color and the circuit lines are visable. So that discounts the spray paint and super-glue theory.
The mysterious "1394b" connection is not that for one reason. Firewire 2 is ment to be able to accept normal firewire 1 connectors as well. In other words it is backwards compatable just only at the slower speed. The connector in the photo is more shallow then the normal firewire connections that are obvious. This would mean a firewire plug would not fit in it properly.
Rapid IO will not be around until the G5 and Apple is of course working on DDR compatability for the post Apallo G4 chips. What is a possibility is G4 chips with DDR for the consumer lines and G5 with Rapid IO for the pro line.
Since the birth of OS X Apple has realized that the market is there for rack mount designs and has had prototypes for well over a year and a half. So this board might be that old. But one thing is for sure that is a connection for a G4 daughter card on the mother board. Another small trend... red mother boards tend to be near their final design phases there have been pictures of red MB 6100 prototypes (just one example) that look exactly the same or very close to the final green MB. Some times I think Steve is like what they said about god in the movie dogma, I wonder what kind of laugh we give that guy sometimes... either that or grief lol.
A@ron
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Please no more of this Apple messing with our heads ideas please!
Re: FW and USB ports for rack server
USB would be used to communicate with most of todays UPS systems.
FW, expecially FW2 could be used as an out-of band intra-cluster network, and possibly a secondary network path for data. Not to mention the vast storage arrays one could connect to via FW.
USB would be used to communicate with most of todays UPS systems.
FW, expecially FW2 could be used as an out-of band intra-cluster network, and possibly a secondary network path for data. Not to mention the vast storage arrays one could connect to via FW.
Re: G5 Nah Not yet.
Take a look at the PDF arn posted on Firewire2/1394b. It has a NEW plug architecture to manage the higher bandwidth. The ports shown in the PDF look exactly like the ones on the mobo.
If you look back at the picture, you can see that there are two standard Firewire ports on the mobo to accomodate 1394a.
Take a look at the PDF arn posted on Firewire2/1394b. It has a NEW plug architecture to manage the higher bandwidth. The ports shown in the PDF look exactly like the ones on the mobo.
If you look back at the picture, you can see that there are two standard Firewire ports on the mobo to accomodate 1394a.
Ok
Alright I stand corrected on two things the 1934 is supposed to be 1394 damn numbers I need to just stick to firewire lol. And two yes the ports are not backwards compatable... I did a little photoshop overlay of the img of the MB and the outline of the new plug and they look a lot alike. I still think it is really shallow though not even USB 1.1 or 2 is that shallow a plug.
A@ron
Alright I stand corrected on two things the 1934 is supposed to be 1394 damn numbers I need to just stick to firewire lol. And two yes the ports are not backwards compatable... I did a little photoshop overlay of the img of the MB and the outline of the new plug and they look a lot alike. I still think it is really shallow though not even USB 1.1 or 2 is that shallow a plug.
A@ron
Re: Re: Long time reader, first time poster
Well, afaik there are no desktop computing processors with core voltages higher than 5 volts. Nowadays, most processors run with core voltages under 3.3V, often they run around 1.8-2.2V.
I've learnt this when I was trying to overclock a standard Apple 120 mhz 604 card to over 150 mhz with a faster crystal. On the card there was a special power supply to downstep from 5V to the core voltage.
So my bet is that the 28V will only be used for the ADC, and who knows, maybe it will be used for the FW2 port?
Originally posted by dukestreet
Nice first post.
Thanks
Why then was there a big flag on the ebay page saying make sure your system is compatible with the 28v. I guess it doesn't matter now that the board has been taken off ebay. I wonder if someone is feeling undue pressure right now from Apple?
Well, afaik there are no desktop computing processors with core voltages higher than 5 volts. Nowadays, most processors run with core voltages under 3.3V, often they run around 1.8-2.2V.
I've learnt this when I was trying to overclock a standard Apple 120 mhz 604 card to over 150 mhz with a faster crystal. On the card there was a special power supply to downstep from 5V to the core voltage.
So my bet is that the 28V will only be used for the ADC, and who knows, maybe it will be used for the FW2 port?
Re: Re: Re: Long time reader, first time poster
There is a LOT more power needed on the board than just the processor. There are, as you know, 2 USB ports, 2 Firewire ports, the USB, Video and power that goes into the ADC as well as a few other things.
MOST IMPORTANT, though, is that a 23" Apple LCD has a maximum voltage of **duh da duh da** 28V
Anyone suprised?
There is a LOT more power needed on the board than just the processor. There are, as you know, 2 USB ports, 2 Firewire ports, the USB, Video and power that goes into the ADC as well as a few other things.
MOST IMPORTANT, though, is that a 23" Apple LCD has a maximum voltage of **duh da duh da** 28V
Anyone suprised?
It's my understanding that RapidI/O is a crosslink between two processor cores or the same chip. Of course, I could be dead wrong. But I DO know that the G5 is supposed to have two cores on the same chip, with a super fast crosslink.
I read it somewhere...i think IBM's site.
I read it somewhere...i think IBM's site.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Long time reader, first time poster
Well, this may sound a little technical, but as you know the other parts on the mobo are all standard components, which means they can be put into a PC too. Therefore, they have to work on 5 or 12 volts. The only thing that might need a higher voltage might be an audio-amplifier (black heatsink on the red motherboard?).
And b.t.w., power is measured in Amps, not in Volts, and if you take a look at your power supply it will most probably have something like "... 5 volts 25 amperes ...".
-Dr. D.
Well, this may sound a little technical, but as you know the other parts on the mobo are all standard components, which means they can be put into a PC too. Therefore, they have to work on 5 or 12 volts. The only thing that might need a higher voltage might be an audio-amplifier (black heatsink on the red motherboard?).
And b.t.w., power is measured in Amps, not in Volts, and if you take a look at your power supply it will most probably have something like "... 5 volts 25 amperes ...".
-Dr. D.
Clarification, please
Being not only a newbie, but also an arts guy, I have little technical understanding of hardware. I have been trying to compare the by now infamous motherboard photo with the sketch of a QuickSilver motherboard, to identify the various connectors, but to little avail.
Perhaps some of you "in the know" could make a copy of the mb photo, with text identifying the various parts? - and post it, naturally
None of the comments here have touched upon the connectors that seem to be on the underside of the board (it being semi-opague, vague shapes can be discerned through it). Notice that the shadow of the board shows it to be slanting, indicating that there are connectors on its underside.
Isn't the brown connector in the corner for a modem?
Regards,
Being not only a newbie, but also an arts guy, I have little technical understanding of hardware. I have been trying to compare the by now infamous motherboard photo with the sketch of a QuickSilver motherboard, to identify the various connectors, but to little avail.
Perhaps some of you "in the know" could make a copy of the mb photo, with text identifying the various parts? - and post it, naturally
None of the comments here have touched upon the connectors that seem to be on the underside of the board (it being semi-opague, vague shapes can be discerned through it). Notice that the shadow of the board shows it to be slanting, indicating that there are connectors on its underside.
Isn't the brown connector in the corner for a modem?
Regards,
