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Privacy campaigners held organized rallies across the US yesterday to protest the FBI's demands that Apple unlock the iPhone at the center of its San Bernardino shooter investigation.

Following on from limited protests in California last week, rallies extended from Albuquerque to Washington DC to support Apple's insistence that complying with the bureau's demands risked compromising the security of millions of users' data.

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Protestors rally outside an Apple Store (Image: Cult of Mac)

Large crowds are reported to have gathered in front of Apple Stores in Boston, Portland, Reno, Seattle and Los Angeles, with protestors wearing T-shirts and brandishing signs with slogans such as "Don't break our phones". One rally at San Francisco's downtown store - the site of last week's protests - drew around 40 protestors and about 20 members of the press, beginning late afternoon and continuing into the evening.

"We're concerned that if Apple undermines its security in response to the FBI's request it will set a very dangerous precedent that could be used in any number of cases going forward, both by the US government and by international governments, including authoritarian regimes that might seek to access our information," Rainey Reitman of the Electronic Frontier Foundation told Cult of Mac.

"We're also worried that that key, once it's created, could be a honeypot for hackers that might want to seek access to information or could be misused in many diverse ways. We don't think that it's appropriate that the government order a tech company to undermine its own security in any way."

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Protestors support Apple at The Grove in Los Angeles (Image: John McCoy)

The extended protests come a week after a U.S. federal judge ordered Apple to assist the FBI with unlocking an iPhone belonging to suspected San Bernardino shooter Syed Rizwan Farook. Apple moved swiftly to oppose the court order in an open letter to customers. The company has until February 26 to file its legal response.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Department of Justice is reportedly pursuing additional court orders that would force Apple to help federal investigators extract data from twelve other encrypted iPhones that may contain crime-related evidence.

The twelve cases are apparently similar to the San Bernardino case in that prosecutors have sought to use the 18th-century All Writs Act to force Apple to comply, but none are related to terrorism charges and most involve older versions of iOS software.

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Article Link: Rallies Take Place in Over 50 US Cities to Support Apple in FBI Case
 

tomaustin44

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'Don't break our phones' is a pretty unintelligent tagline... It completely misses the main privacy issues surrounding the debate. I'm all for what they're doing but do I love my phone to print off an enormous poster and beg the government not to 'break it'? Seems a bit desperate.
 

Mystic386

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12 phones? Luckily they may have this new software that will give them access to what appears to be at least 13 phones and possibly way more.

We are watching the entrenching of opposing views, digging deeper holes, lining up for battle. So American. Surely common-sense can prevail. The FBI can hand Apple the phone and Apple do it's best to get the data for the FBI et al. Would this not solve the problem?

Has everything been said that can be said on this story.
[doublepost=1456310690][/doublepost]With it looking like the US Government will move to force access to encrypted phones will it only be a matter of time before the FBI will be able to request a mobile phone data tap and data download just as easily as a wiretap. This is not looking good. The ripples from George W Bush continue.
 

apolloa

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We are watching the entrenching of opposing views, digging deeper holes, lining up for battle. So American. Surely common-sense can prevail. The FBI can hand Apple the phone and Apple do it's best to get the data for the FBI et al. Would this not solve the problem?
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That is exactly what the FBI said and wanted, they wanted no part in the extraction, but Apple claimed they could not trust themselves not leaking the software out, apparently.

Only in America... And this time it really is because of your laws. Interesting battle.
 
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Nuvi

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12 phones? Luckily they may have this new software that will give them access to what appears to be at least 13 phones and possibly way more.

We are watching the entrenching of opposing views, digging deeper holes, lining up for battle. So American. Surely common-sense can prevail. The FBI can hand Apple the phone and Apple do it's best to get the data for the FBI et al. Would this not solve the problem.

This wouldn't solve anything. When you develop compromised system there will be no end to requests to unlock data. Then there are the shady activities by third parties which will eventually get their hands on the compromised iOS. Seriously, who the hell had this bright idea that 13 lives are worth more than security of millions of people. Even more so, the data from the iPhone won't bring anyone back or put anyone behind bars since the terrorists are already dead.
 

cableguy84

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I know people are getting sick of hearing this but... I wonder how Jobs would have dealt with this , would have been interesting
 
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macfacts

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... Then there are the shady activities by third parties which will eventually get their hands on the compromised iOS. ...

If you think it is possible for some group to steal this backdoor software from Apple HQ, why is it not possible for that same group to steal the signing keys Apple uses to digitally sign iOS? Those signing keys exist right now.
 
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Kumaran

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I think all this fake just a propaganda for apple

Apple is far from innocent. They act like an honest. Apple is a Dishonest company, Why Apple blocks Samsung phone sales in the court case. Because Samsung is only the brand, that can fu.. apple. This happens only in the USA. This is a fascism.

Look that, Apple is a biggest fraud company, Apple to pay €318 million fine for tax fraud in Italy - http://www.neowin.net/news/apple-to-pay-318-million-fine-for-tax-fruad-in-italy

They are acting because of China and Russia.
 

ShikariMR

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Dare I ask other posters and protesters, as a Brit who survived the London Blitz, over 9,000 pilotless V1 bombs and also V2 rockets, sniper and knife attacks on armed forces overseas, and so forth, just how close they have ever come to an enemy or terrorist attack? It sure do sharpen up your mind and your attitudes.
 
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ghost187

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I'm not worried about the hackers (who are at least honest with their bad intentions), as much as I'm worried about the governments data mining any and every iPhone out there (against our will using our tax dollars).
 

blackboxxx

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If you think it is possible for some group to steal this backdoor software from Apple HQ, why is it not possible for that same group to steal the signing keys Apple uses to digitally sign iOS? Those signing keys exist right now.
Given that NSA and GCHQ already stole SIM card keys from Gemalto, it's highly likely that there's a similar program to infiltrate Apple and obtain their software signing keys.

So if the FBI was really interested in a single terrorist's phone, they could have asked the NSA nicely. The only reason they made the whole issue public is because they wanted to set a precedent.
 
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gixxerfool

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I think all this fake just a propaganda for apple

Apple is far from innocent. They act like an honest. Apple is a Dishonest company, Why Apple blocks Samsung phone sales in the court case. Because Samsung is only the brand, that can fu.. apple. This happens only in the USA. This is a fascism.

Look that, Apple is a biggest fraud company, Apple to pay €318 million fine for tax fraud in Italy - http://www.neowin.net/news/apple-to-pay-318-million-fine-for-tax-fruad-in-italy

They are acting because of China and Russia.

Do you have an argument the applies to this topic?
 

marine0816

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All the pedophiles with child porn on their phones, stand in soldairy. Go Apple, support the first amendment and protect murders that store photos of the chopped up bodies in the icloud.. All the Criminals and terrorist should start a Go fundme page for Apple for supporting the criminal element. Good work Tim Cook, too bad you don't give the Chinese people all this "privacy" I wonder why?
 

AFEPPL

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All the pedophiles with child porn on their phones, stand in soldairy. Go Apple, support the first amendment and protect murders that store photos of the chopped up bodies in the icloud.. All the Criminals and terrorist should start a Go fundme page for Apple for supporting the criminal element. Good work Tim Cook, too bad you don't give the Chinese people all this "privacy" I wonder why?

Lol, made me smile. :D
 

Mr. Donahue

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The funny thing is people thing they're not being data mined or watched through the camera on their phones right now.
 
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displayblock

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All the pedophiles with child porn on their phones, stand in soldairy. Go Apple, support the first amendment and protect murders that store photos of the chopped up bodies in the icloud.. All the Criminals and terrorist should start a Go fundme page for Apple for supporting the criminal element.

If our criminal justice system can't possibly do its job without Apple doing it for them, we've got much bigger problems. How did law enforcement manage to do it before there were cellphones? How did the iPhone bring our once mighty government down to its knees. The way they're begging really makes our nation look pathetic.

The majority of law-abiding, tax-paying citizens should not have their Constitutional freedoms sacrificed because of a small minority of criminals that are capable of somehow outsmarting our law enforcement.

I don't know about you, but as an American I value the freedoms I still have left. I'm not in favor of the government taking more than is necessary, and what they're asking for is a direct attack on our Constitutional right to privacy.
 

stiligFox

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All the pedophiles with child porn on their phones, stand in soldairy. Go Apple, support the first amendment and protect murders that store photos of the chopped up bodies in the icloud.. All the Criminals and terrorist should start a Go fundme page for Apple for supporting the criminal element. Good work Tim Cook, too bad you don't give the Chinese people all this "privacy" I wonder why?

I understand your point, but iCloud photos would be accessible to Apple since they are stored on Apple's server.

In fact it sounds like all this wouldn't be a problem if the FBI would've let the phone do a normal back up, allowing them to go through the backup data instead of needing to get it straight off the device.
 

lchlch

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I think all this fake just a propaganda for apple

Apple is far from innocent. They act like an honest. Apple is a Dishonest company, Why Apple blocks Samsung phone sales in the court case. Because Samsung is only the brand, that can fu.. apple. This happens only in the USA. This is a fascism.

Look that, Apple is a biggest fraud company, Apple to pay €318 million fine for tax fraud in Italy - http://www.neowin.net/news/apple-to-pay-318-million-fine-for-tax-fruad-in-italy

They are acting because of China and Russia.
This precedent has much deeper implications. It will affect Windows, android and even Samsung as well. No one will be safe.
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All the pedophiles with child porn on their phones, stand in soldairy. Go Apple, support the first amendment and protect murders that store photos of the chopped up bodies in the icloud.. All the Criminals and terrorist should start a Go fundme page for Apple for supporting the criminal element. Good work Tim Cook, too bad you don't give the Chinese people all this "privacy" I wonder why?

I seriously doubt they are trying to protect people who are truly wrong. They are trying to protect you, and your rights to not disclose any information you don't want to be disclosed.

And we are not suppose to judge other people. We are all innocent unless proven otherwise.
 

jw91

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Pretty cut and dried here. Two issues-withholding evidence and contempt. Tim Cook should already be in jail. Like it or not, disagree or not, laws are laws and he has broken them.
 

lchlch

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Pretty cut and dried here. Two issues-withholding evidence and contempt. Tim Cook should already be in jail. Like it or not, disagree or not, laws are laws and he has broken them.
Apple is not withholding any evidence because they are not holding the phone.

And there's no contempt because there no breach of an order. That matter is still pending trial.

Btw just a side note you do know that your comment is defamatory right?
 
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