Rallies Take Place in Over 50 US Cities to Support Apple in FBI Case

[MrAverigeUser]

Dare I ask other posters and protesters, as a Brit who survived the London Blitz, over 9,000 pilotless V1 bombs and also V2 rockets, sniper and knife attacks on armed forces overseas, and so forth, just how close they have ever come to an enemy or terrorist attack? It sure do sharpen up your mind and your attitudes.

Honestly - I don't get your point...

 

[nt5672]

When fighting terrorism - peoples' lives come first. Of course. Unless they own a phone. Then it's second. Cos phones come first. Innit?.

Except thats not the issue. No one is fighting terrorism, terrorism is only the excuse. Good encryption is either secure or it is not. There is no in-between. Right now any government official says "terrorism" and every US Citizen is willing to give up anything, including their own freedoms. The media and the government have made terrorism the master key to get any law passed or action blessed no matter how bad the law or action is for the public. There is no rational discourse. It is only, "We are fighting terrorism, so give it to us!" Remember Pelosi, "We have to pass the law to see what is in it!" That is our government today.

 

[Nuvi]

If you think it is possible for some group to steal this backdoor software from Apple HQ, why is it not possible for that same group to steal the signing keys Apple uses to digitally sign iOS? Those signing keys exist right now.

One day the software is kept locked up in Apple's "high security area" and on the next Apple is forced to allow the software to be used in other secure area due to "sensitivity of the material". It is very naïve to think this would be once only (which it already isn't) case or governments (yes, that's plural) wouldn't be aiming to get direct access to this software in the future. Once it's created it's much easier to gain direct access to the software then in a situation in which the software doesn't even exist...

 

[Sill]

Except thats not the issue. No one is fighting terrorism, terrorism is only the excuse. Good encryption is either secure or it is not. There is no in-between. Right now any government official says "terrorism" and every US Citizen is willing to give up anything, including their own freedoms. The media and the government have made terrorism the master key to get any law passed or action blessed no matter how bad the law or action is for the public. Their is no rational discourse. It is only, "We are fighting terrorism, so give it to us!" Remember Pelosi, "We have to pass the law to see what is in it!" That is our government today.

Combine "terrorism" with "that racist!" and "its for the children", and the entire citizenry can be shamed into just about anything.

 

[melendezest]

Those complaining about Apple's stance here, be careful what you wish for:

He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
-Ben Franklin

 

[Gasu E.]

Surely common-sense can prevail. The FBI can hand Apple the phone and Apple do it's best to get the data for the FBI et al. Would this not solve the problem?

If they do it for the FBI, they would need to do this for the Chinese government, or the government of any country they sell the phone in. If Apple were to refuse, the Chinese government would have every right to prosecute them and ban their sales.
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All the pedophiles with child porn on their phones, stand in soldairy. Go Apple, support the first amendment and protect murders that store photos of the chopped up bodies in the icloud..

In both the current case and prior cases, Apple has shared data stored in iCloud with law enforcement officials. That is data that Apple possesses on their servers. That's very different from this case, in which the FBI is demanding that Apple develop software to crack iPhones. If you believe the government should have the power to force people to do work of this nature on behalf of the government, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But Apple is not holding back any data that is in their possession.

 

[FriendlyMackle]

I think all this fake just a propaganda for apple

Apple is far from innocent. They act like an honest. Apple is a Dishonest company, Why Apple blocks Samsung phone sales in the court case. Because Samsung is only the brand, that can fu.. apple. This happens only in the USA. This is a fascism.

Look that, Apple is a biggest fraud company, Apple to pay €318 million fine for tax fraud in Italy - http://www.neowin.net/news/apple-to-pay-318-million-fine-for-tax-fruad-in-italy

They are acting because of China and Russia.

Let's see...so a corrupt and broke European country, known for endemic grift, murder, and political corruption...'fines' Apple for tax fraud. This is the same country which recently held an innocent American woman in prison for roughly 2 years - despite a lack of evidence. And changing laws after the fact to retroactively exact payment should really be called what it is: extortion.
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Well let's see...

Steve refused to put plates on his car. Ever. He used a loophole in California law that required registration "within 6 months" to drive his car without a plate, trading it in for a new car every 5.9 months. His stated reason was that he didn't want his personal info available via plate request, and that he preferred to remain anonymous. But he was repeatedly photographed in his plateless Benz and even waved at people from time to time during photos.

Steve, though he was a registered Democrat and even sat Al Gore on the Apple Board, never publicly lobbied the government during his reign, not personally or via Apple. In fact, Apple's lobbying budget was so negligible it wasn't worth publishing during some years.

When he and other tech leaders had a "historic summit meeting" with Obama, he was asked to come to DC. He responded that he was too busy, and Obama needed to come to San Francisco. Obama agreed to. The Secret Service wanted control of the seating, Jobs said no. Obama caved and Jobs controlled who sat with whom. I think Jobs even controlled the food offerings. I doubt he would have showed up if the administration gave him any trouble about his demands. Ultimately, Steve only gave Obama about two hours time and then said he had to get back to work.

Go watch the videos of Steve's various meetings with the Cupertino city "planners" for a laugh. Despite being very sick, he was very resolute and almost scary in the way he handled them; at one point he threatened to take the entire company out of Cupertino because of a very stupid question from one of the council members. There was no question that he was serious. Even in his advanced illness he broke them.

It is very apparent to me that Steve loathed government, and barely tolerated it. The more I study him, the more it becomes apparent to me that he was very much the anarcho-capitalist.


I think its safe to say that he would have rather quickly put them in their place.

In fact, I think they wouldn't have ever dared ask for the data.

Very well said!

The FBI and Department of Justice seem to believe that with Steve Jobs death they will just be able to bully Apple into whatever they want. I won't say what that looks like (it reminds me of juvenile junior high school behavior by certain types, at least in the past)...since the public face of this company is a gay man. Do they think Cook is going to show them his belly? I don't believe that is going to happen.

Why did they not choose to make an example of any other large phone maker? Do they all have such poor encryption, or do they all just give the Feebies whatever they ask for, legal or not?

I hope that Apple can manage to continue to stand up for the rights of all U.S. citizens and for the rule of law, which action we are told will influence policy throughout the world in much more controlled societies. This case's impact could make waves for decades if Apple is in the end forced to do as the DOJ and FBI request.

 

[Smigit]

Apple has been ordered to unlock the phone=contempt. Apple claims ownership of the o/s even after purchase therefore the phone is theirs=withholding evidence.
You know your reply is considered a threat.

Apple was given a deadline by the judge to respond to the request and that deadline is this Friday. The time frame has not passed. They aren't obliged to have done anything yet and are within their rights to appeal.

Apple has not said the phone is theirs. Their entire stance actually is that a phone and it's data is the property of the individual and that Apple nor the government have a right to access it at will. If Apple was arguing they owned all iPhones, then they wouldn't have taken the stance they have.

 

[leroypants]

Your logic requires everyone in the US to only work and sleep with 0 down time otherwise they must be on wellfair which is pretty ignorant.

Speaking of ignorance, what is "wellfair"?

 

[goobot]

Speaking of ignorance, what is "wellfair"?

It's when some one confuses a minor spelling mistake with ignorance.

 

[leroypants]

It's when some one confuses a minor spelling mistake with ignorance.

Wellfair is not a "minor spelling mistake"

 

[goobot]

Wellfair is not a "minor spelling mistake"

Lol please, yes it is. Also nice try from deflecting from the original point. XD Haven't seen that happen on here a thousand times before. I don't have a valid argument? I guess I look for a spelling mistake and pretend that somehow makes my point valid.

 

[leroypants]

Lol please, yes it is. Also nice try from deflecting from the original point. XD Haven't seen that happen on here a thousand times before. I don't have a valid argument? I guess I look for a spelling mistake and pretend that somehow makes my point valid.

The original point hold true and the truth hurts people like you which is why you are crying like a child. I am sorry you got so upset by the truth but their is nothing I can do about that.

 

[goobot]

The original point hold true and the truth hurts people like you which is why you are crying like a child. I am sorry you got so upset by the truth but their is nothing I can do about that.

What a terrible response. "I'm right". Reply to me with a response that isn't pure troll and I'll reply again. Until then I'm done replying to you. XD

Also it's spelled there not their XD