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I know people are getting sick of hearing this but... I wonder how Jobs would have dealt with this , would have been interesting

Well let's see...

Steve refused to put plates on his car. Ever. He used a loophole in California law that required registration "within 6 months" to drive his car without a plate, trading it in for a new car every 5.9 months. His stated reason was that he didn't want his personal info available via plate request, and that he preferred to remain anonymous. But he was repeatedly photographed in his plateless Benz and even waved at people from time to time during photos.

Steve, though he was a registered Democrat and even sat Al Gore on the Apple Board, never publicly lobbied the government during his reign, not personally or via Apple. In fact, Apple's lobbying budget was so negligible it wasn't worth publishing during some years.

When he and other tech leaders had a "historic summit meeting" with Obama, he was asked to come to DC. He responded that he was too busy, and Obama needed to come to San Francisco. Obama agreed to. The Secret Service wanted control of the seating, Jobs said no. Obama caved and Jobs controlled who sat with whom. I think Jobs even controlled the food offerings. I doubt he would have showed up if the administration gave him any trouble about his demands. Ultimately, Steve only gave Obama about two hours time and then said he had to get back to work.

Go watch the videos of Steve's various meetings with the Cupertino city "planners" for a laugh. Despite being very sick, he was very resolute and almost scary in the way he handled them; at one point he threatened to take the entire company out of Cupertino because of a very stupid question from one of the council members. There was no question that he was serious. Even in his advanced illness he broke them.

It is very apparent to me that Steve loathed government, and barely tolerated it. The more I study him, the more it becomes apparent to me that he was very much the anarcho-capitalist.


I think its safe to say that he would have rather quickly put them in their place.

In fact, I think they wouldn't have ever dared ask for the data.
 
Apple is not withholding any evidence because they are not holding the phone.

And there's no contempt because there no breach of an order. That matter is still pending trial.

Btw just a side note you do know that your comment is defamatory right?
Apple is not withholding any evidence because they are not holding the phone.

And there's no contempt because there no breach of an order. That matter is still pending trial.

Btw just a side note you do know that your comment is defamatory right?

Apple has been ordered to unlock the phone=contempt. Apple claims ownership of the o/s even after purchase therefore the phone is theirs=withholding evidence.
You know your reply is considered a threat.
 
If our criminal justice system can't possibly do its job without Apple doing it for them, we've got much bigger problems. How did law enforcement manage to do it before there were cellphones? How did the iPhone bring our once mighty government down to its knees. The way they're begging really makes our nation look pathetic.

The majority of law-abiding, tax-paying citizens should not have their Constitutional freedoms sacrificed because of a small minority of criminals that are capable of somehow outsmarting our law enforcement.

I don't know about you, but as an American I value the freedoms I still have left. I'm not in favor of the government taking more than is necessary, and what they're asking for is a direct attack on our Constitutional right to privacy.

It's clear you don't know much about this situation, history, or the law. I'll let you read up on the facts, but as far as Constitutional freedoms are concerned, all of the requests made by the FBI are Constitutional. The FBI has probable cause to search the phone. A valid warrant under the All Writs act was approved by a judge, and this would be the same procedure for ANY citizen.
 
Apple has been ordered to unlock the phone=contempt. Apple claims ownership of the o/s even after purchase therefore the phone is theirs=withholding evidence.
You know your reply is considered a threat.
So microsoft owns your computer because they own the OS. Ok.

As for contempt I don't think you really understand so I'll leave it at that.

Reason for edit: to correct a few words.
 
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I know people are getting sick of hearing this but... I wonder how Jobs would have dealt with this , would have been interesting

I think Job's would have wanted to give the govt the finger. He would have removed the ability of Apple to force update (with their software certificate) a locked iOS device without the users permission (or deletion of encryption key), so that this wouldn't even be possible.

Sad Apple hadn't done this before, so that this wouldn't be an option for the FBI to request...since they know it exists. I fear we're watching the chance of having privacy on our devices and communications from government access disappear before our eyes - as nearly all other device and software mfrs line up with govt desires.
 
And cue the posters frothing at the mouth banging on about "liberals" and making comparisons to the protesters at Ferguson in t minus 10.....9....8.....
 
Good work Tim Cook, too bad you don't give the Chinese people all this "privacy" I wonder why?
I'm a little confused by what you're saying. Apple gives Chinese people exactly this much privacy. They have access to precisely the same iOS and hardware people anywhere else do. Did you think Chinese iPhones come with a special iOS with a government backdoor?

In fact, it's quite likely that Apple is doing this in part because they want to continue providing Chinese citizens with privacy.

Currently, Chinese iPhone users get exactly the same security as US users. The Chinese government can't hack an iPhone any more than the FBI can.

If the FBI succeeds in this and demonstrates that Apple can be compelled to use a lockout-bypass tool to hack a phone when a government provides a legal request to do so--and that such a tool has already been created--the Chinese government is nearly certain to ask for the same privilege. Being China, it's also likely that they'll be far less restrained about which phones they ask to hack. The only thing that's kept them from asking for a back door to date is that other countries had not, either, so it would be somewhat awkward, particularly if Apple (or Google, for that matter) stood up to them.

This isn't personal speculation--there have been major news outlet stories describing exactly this scenario.

Assuming that did happen, Apple would have the choice of giving in and allowing hacks on any phones in Chinese government hands with a court order (which is to say, any phones in Chinese government hands, period, since they can get a court order for whatever they want). Or, alternately, they could say "no" to China (though the logic would be weak, since they were willing to do so for other countries).

In the latter case, it's likely there would be substantial sanctions against Apple, up to and including banning the sale of iPhones nationwide, which would cost Apple on the order of $60 billion in revenue per year.
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Dare I ask other posters and protesters, as a Brit who survived the London Blitz, over 9,000 pilotless V1 bombs and also V2 rockets, sniper and knife attacks on armed forces overseas, and so forth, just how close they have ever come to an enemy or terrorist attack? It sure do sharpen up your mind and your attitudes.
I confess I'm confused as to how the US government's (or another government's) ability to hack a cell phone equates to the London Blitz and a terror campaign of poorly-aimed long-range rockets.

Assuming some of these protestors have lived in New York for a while, it's actually pretty likely some of them have been exposed to flying objects blowing up buildings near them, though.

I know I haven't, personally, but then that's kind of the point--I've managed to live my entire life safe and sound thus far without any government (or non-governmental entity, since once someone has a key, eventually everyone will get the key) having backdoor access into whatever encryption I decided to employ for whatever reason.

I also know that my father, who certainly did experience people trying to kill him for several years during WWII didn't think he spent his teenaged years getting shot at in a jungle for the sake of a government unconcerned with the information security of its citizens, and those of other nations. He remained quite wary of the US government throughout his life.

One thing that I find odd in all of this is the notion that if Apple did create this tool, it would magically make every bit of data on some potential terrorist's phone available. Anyone who's actually paranoid about the government getting at their data and is up to no good is just going to use an alternate method of encryption that isn't breakable, unless they're particularly stupid or ill-prepared. So in the end, this would at best potentially sacrifice the privacy of everyone for the sake of getting some information from particularly dumb criminals or terrorists.
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12 phones? Luckily they may have this new software that will give them access to what appears to be at least 13 phones and possibly way more.
Minus the one phone (the owners of which are already dead), the other 12 phones have nothing to do with terrorists. To quote the WSJ, "The letter doesn’t describe the specific types of criminal investigations related to those phones, but people familiar with them said they don’t involve terrorism cases."

So yes, hypothetically one of those phones might contain data that would help catch a murderer or other criminal. But at best, none of them are terrorists. And the only one that was are, apparently, terrorists who would use a phone supplied by their government employer to network with other terrorists.
 
Pretty cut and dried here. Two issues-withholding evidence and contempt. Tim Cook should already be in jail. Like it or not, disagree or not, laws are laws and he has broken them.

I've never read such an ignorant comment about this matter. You must be one of those people that are happy to be a puppet of the government. Broken laws? Are you serious? For that matter the FBI should be in jail. They're breaking the law by denying the first amendment to Apple.
 
I know people are getting sick of hearing this but... I wonder how Jobs would have dealt with this , would have been interesting

He would have told them to **** right on off. That's what I would assume from his attitude in all the biographies and interviews with previous and past co-workers/friends/family.
 
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All the pedophiles with child porn on their phones, stand in soldairy. Go Apple, support the first amendment and protect murders that store photos of the chopped up bodies in the icloud.. All the Criminals and terrorist should start a Go fundme page for Apple for supporting the criminal element. Good work Tim Cook, too bad you don't give the Chinese people all this "privacy" I wonder why?

So much ignorance in this post, I don't know where to start.
 
'Don't break our phones' is a pretty unintelligent tagline... It completely misses the main privacy issues surrounding the debate. I'm all for what they're doing but do I love my phone to print off an enormous poster and beg the government not to 'break it'? Seems a bit desperate.

The entire thing is ridiculous. It's one phone, that belonged to a murderer. Just unlock it. Apple isn't going to win anyway.
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So much ignorance in this post, I don't know where to start.

More like sensationalism. But it's true, especially in regards to China. But we know Apple could care less about that populations rights anyway, eh? ;)
 
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The entire thing is ridiculous. It's one phone, that belonged to a murderer. Just unlock it. Apple isn't going to win anyway.

The phone is not the issue, that's what tech news outlets (https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/02/decrypting_an_i.html) are trying to explain to the masses...FBI don't care about the guy's iPhone (work phone) or contents of it as it's no use anyway at this point. The point is to create a precedence that makes it simpler to go after technology companies with whatever device, phone or whatever else it may be.
 
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Must be nice to have an iPhone and no job or responsibilities in order to protest in the middle of the day. Sure their are more than a few Obama voting welfare frauds there.
 
Why is nobody running up and down with the rest of the minions applauding? Isn't that how large congregations at Apple look like?
 

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She should thank her sugar daddy paying for her phone and allowing her to not have a job giving her the time to attend a pointless protest.

I also wonder who paid for all those matching sign...​
 
All the pedophiles with child porn on their phones, stand in soldairy. Go Apple, support the first amendment and protect murders that store photos of the chopped up bodies in the icloud.. All the Criminals and terrorist should start a Go fundme page for Apple for supporting the criminal element. Good work Tim Cook, too bad you don't give the Chinese people all this "privacy" I wonder why?

Um no. Actually all those "creeps" simply get Androids where they can easily obtain, trade and share all the sick illicit data that can be found right through Android apps. But apparently you fail to accept that services like Google turn a blind eye to readily making this crap accessible to OUR children simply by searching for it. Oh but that's ok. Right? Not to mention all the data ONLINE that readily provides anyone the ability to find bomb making instructions that kill us or drug making instructions that kill our kids...

Dude. Seriously. Apple is the least common dominator when it comes to being a purveyor and willful distributor of filth and offering easily accessible paths that have no doubt killed more of us than anything that might be "hidden" on an iPhone.

Get your facts straight and know who your real enemies are.
 
So far Apple has not broken any laws...a request was made by the FBI and Apple has time to abide or "fight it out" ni court by a set date. And, the FBI is requesting Apple's help...technically Apple could send an incompetent person and screw it up and therefore the phone BUT then the FBI would undoubtedly say Apple F-cked with them by sending such a person and say they are in the wrong for doing so.

People think it is "just a phone" a "single phone and single time" thing but once a motion is set, it is FAR easier to continue to have the gov't make demands to Apple and other tech companies for "terrorist" attacks or just "terrorists" in general. allowing the gov't to plug into their ["terrorists"] phones at will. oh, and let's take a look at the other countries who will then demand Apple/other companies provide their gov't's access to devices. plus, once a seal is broken, the non-gov't bad guys will have an easier time breaking into phones. Phones are 0:1 you either have security/protection or you do not. having Apple 'break' their OS for the FBI is the start to breaking the security seal.
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Must be nice to have an iPhone and no job or responsibilities in order to protest in the middle of the day. Sure their are more than a few Obama voting welfare frauds there.

I will confess I did not read the article in full but was it ever said these people had no job or responsibilities?

Could it be they work shift work or do not have a simple M-F 9-5 job?
Could it be they took off work to protest for one day?
Could it be they own their own business and can easily take time off?
could it be they have a mate who earns enough that they do not have to work?
Could it be ...a multitude of reasons why they are in line to protest? Yes it could.

Know the last line could be true or could not but seems you think someone who stands in line is unemployed or sucking on the gov't teat.

just a little info, I stood in line once for an opening of an IKEA store. My wife and I worked but we calculated the risk:reward in using a day off work. We were given 2, $200 chairs, and we purchased a sofa for 1/2-2/3 the price and 150 wine glasses for our wedding (these were also discounted). In total we were given and saved more than we would have made that day of work. We weighed the pros:cons and figured it was in our best interest to attend the opening and stand in line for a few hours.

NOW...if the people in the photo/protest are doing this for many, many days then it makes it less likely it is one of the above possibilities but it still could be. we just do not know the facts.


AND, I respect your, perhaps, biased opinion and the ability to post it on a forum. we have rights to express ourselves :D
 
Nice to see people stand up for something for a change, sadly our government doesn't give two poops.

If people want our government to stop this invasion of our privacy and liberties, then maybe it's time for people to stop blindly electing these idiots back into Washington DC all the time.
 
... oh, and let's take a look at the other countries who will then demand Apple/other companies provide their gov't's access to devices. ...

It's already happened.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/10/india-government-blackberry/

I don't remember Apple standing up for Blackberry in India. I don't remember Apple standing up for Google in China.

I find it hard to believe that normal people that didn't care before would care now. The news stories about yesterday's protest say there were more news people than protestors. Makes it seem like those people are a freak show.
 
All the pedophiles with child porn on their phones, stand in soldairy. Go Apple, support the first amendment and protect murders that store photos of the chopped up bodies in the icloud.. All the Criminals and terrorist should start a Go fundme page for Apple for supporting the criminal element. Good work Tim Cook, too bad you don't give the Chinese people all this "privacy" I wonder why?

Okay let's imagine life in the world you're arguing for. Everyone should give up their privacy entirely because of a few people who do bad things. In fact, let's take this a step farther. No one should have blinds on their windows because then kidnappers can hide kids inside. We need to be able to see inside everyone's homes. Also, take the doors off the stalls in public bathrooms. Someone could be masturbating in there. Everyone else's privacy is irrelevant because we must stop the few who do wrong.

Rethink yor argument.
 
Must be nice to have an iPhone and no job or responsibilities in order to protest in the middle of the day. Sure their are more than a few Obama voting welfare frauds there.
Your logic requires everyone in the US to only work and sleep with 0 down time otherwise they must be on wellfair which is pretty ignorant.
 
More people in this forum with no idea what the issue is. :/ And even worse, they have no idea what's at stake here ... and don't care.
 
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