Randy Moss shows his true face

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I have to say I also hate Randy Moss because of his attitude and lack of work ethic. What he did was disgraceful to his team, but not the most horrible thing I've ever seen. He'll get a fine, but nothing more. I do think the Eagles will beat them on Sunday (knock-on-wood). E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!

 

[Lord Blackadder]

Why? Many people think they are fun. Here's an idea: Maybe people should stop being so sensitive.

I'm not totally against celebrating, but I think it's starting to get a little excessive in the NFL. It seems like every single down somebody is shuckin' and jivin for 5 minutes about a tackle or a catch or a block etc. I can see it after a touchdown, and people are pumped about a good play now and then but there's a limit.

I remember they interviewed Jim Brown earlier in the season and they asked him what he thought has changed for the worst in the years since he played. "Too much dancin' around", he said.

 

[grapes911]

I'm not totally against celebrating, but I think it's starting to get a little excessive in the NFL. It seems like every single down somebody is shuckin' and jivin for 5 minutes about a tackle or a catch or a block etc. I can see it after a touchdown, and people are pumped about a good play now and then but there's a limit.

I remember they interviewed Jim Brown earlier in the season and they asked him what he thought has changed for the worst in the years since he played. "Too much dancin' around", he said.

The NFL has changed, for better or worse, no doubting it. Rules have been changed, coaching strategies are different, and a new breed of player was born. But the NFL is as popular as ever and making more money then ever before. I'd guess that the fans making this sport so popular are largely infavor of the antics or they wouldn't be watching. The rest of the fan base is going to have to accept it or turn it off. The only way the owners and league will really surpress it is if the fans let them know. The best way to do so is if the fans stop going to games and stop watching them on TV. I really don't think there are enough fans that find Moss, TO, Horn, etc. so repulsive that they are willing to do so.

 

[Lord Blackadder]

The NFL has changed, for better or worse, no doubting it. Rules have been changed, coaching strategies are different, and a new breed of player was born. But the NFL is as popular as ever and making more money then ever before. I'd guess that the fans making this sport so popular are largely infavor of the antics or they wouldn't be watching. The rest of the fan base is going to have to accept it or turn it off. The only way the owners and league will really surpress it is if the fans let them know. The best way to do so is if the fans stop going to games and stop watching them on TV. I really don't think there are enough fans that find Moss, TO, Horn, etc. so repulsive that they are willing to do so.

I pretty much agree, mostly because it's just a reflection of a society that accepts such behavior. And a lot of people who hate TO & company watch in the same way you'd watch a car accident on COPS. Still, I think that the NFL should draw a behavior line and enforce it - especially with regards to off-the-field behavior but also how these guys play the game. It's gonna be more in-your-face nowadays but the NFL must keep it within reason. I think that it is generally well done but there are excesses.

Of course, players that can't bring it consistently won't be dancing too much anyway, but some talented players just have no restraint.

EDIT: I never looked it up, but I'm curious what the numbers are for celebration penalties, as in what is the rate of increase over the last few years.

 

[Applespider]

I'm not going to stop watching the NFL just because of these idiots - it's cutting my nose off to spite my face.

But I didn't like Owens antics when he was a Niner so I wouldn't have bought one of his jerseys. I wouldn't buy anything that he promoted - perhaps losing their endorsement cash might hit them harder than the few thousand that the NFL fine them.

A lot of this self-promotion started after the 'No Fun League' banned team celebrations. I'd rather see a few guys playing leapfrog in the endzone or dancing in a group after a TD than this. There seems to be a need for people to outdo each other's celebration and what started as fun, has got out of hand.

 

[grapes911]

This ESPN story may put things in a different perspective for those of you who didn't like Moss' stunt.

Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy said he saw Moss' action and, "I thought it was kind of humorous."

"It's not the kind of thing you want to see on national TV, but I understand what it was all about," he said.

"Anyone who has played in the NFC Central knows what that's about. The fans in Green Bay have a tradition in the parking lot after the game where they moon the visiting team's bus," he said. "It's kind of a unique sendoff."

"I had seen it seven times because when I was with the Vikings, we lost to them seven times up there," he said.

 

[MacDawg]

I knew of the "tradition" so that wasn't a surprise. I wasn't offended by his action as I said before, I just would rather them "play ball!" Now his antics at the press conference were totally uncalled for, and creates that negative impression.

Now what is surprising is Tony Dungy's remarks, especially after the stink he raised about TO and Nicollette Sheridan's Monday Night Football commercial. C'mon Tony, be consistent!

Woof, Woof - Dawg

 

[TrumanApple]

Randy Moss should be ashamed of himself. A disrespect of the fans. He should not play the next game and pay at least a $50,000 fine. Society should not tolerate actions like this.

Are you serious... with all the sex, drugs and violence in the media and on regular shows you are going to complain about a PRETEND mooning?

Heres my opinion, randy moss has made mistakes in the past and has always been surrounded with controversy... now i think the media (such as the announcers) are blowing what he does out of porportion because it creates interest and makes for a good story... This shouldnt even be a story...

Anyone who said that he should be fined is rediculous... it would be different if he had given the finger, or some directly offensive act like that... but to pretend to pull down your pants in a TD celebration is merely poking fun at the packers fans, who during the game, made fun of him.

I bet that if the announcers had laughed and treated it as a non issue, then no one would be talking about it. I think joe bucks overexageration of the event caused alot more uproar than there should have been.

PS: what about every devensive lineman who makes a sack seems to make some motion that implys slicing a guys throat...? who makes an uproar about that... NO ONE, because its trash talk...

And by the way... GO RAMS.... unlikely scenario: rams beat atlanta... vikings beat eagles... NFC championship is held home field of an 8-8 team... HAHA that would be awesome... a home NFC championship for an 8-8 team... lol

 

[xsedrinam]

Where the Sun "don't" shine

Not to worry, though. If he does play next Sunday afternoon, by 3 pm EST, the Philadelphia Eagles will have flown up that "moon" enough times, he'll be considered a "half mast" WR.
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Fine - probably
Suspension - no way in h*ll

The NFL won't jeopardize the games over this.

It was more crude than the other stuff going on, but I don't like the trend in the NFL that leans more towards the NBA. Terrell Owens stunts, Joe Horn, etc. C'mon, lets play ball. Have fun, yes, but let's be professionals.

I can't see Steve Largent, Jerry Rice, et. al. doing this kind of stuff.

Woof, Woof - Dawg

 

[QCassidy352]

Why? Many people think they are fun. Here's an idea: Maybe people should stop being so sensitive.

yay, the voice of reason!

People need to chill waaaaay out.

Also, as reported by ESPN, this was a response to the packer fans' tradition of mooning the opposing team's bus on the way out of town.

 

[xsedrinam]

Also, as reported by ESPN, this was a response to the packer fans' tradition of mooning the opposing team's bus on the way out of town.

Ya, butt two moons don't make it wide; Or a Cheesehead stoned, gathers no Moss; or something like that
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[MacDawg]

PS: what about every devensive lineman who makes a sack seems to make some motion that implys slicing a guys throat...? who makes an uproar about that... NO ONE, because its trash talk...

Actually, I think the NFL outlawed that action (throat slashing) a while back.

Ditka and Irvin took Moss to task on ESPN tonight, big time... Both said that they wouldn't want Moss on their team in spite of his talent (of course that is the PC thing to say on ESPN). I thought it was interesting that Irvin would cite Moss' off the field actions, etc. He said that he originally wanted him drafted by Dallas (which was the uproar at the time), but now he says he is glad he wasn't because he, Irvin, would have had to clean up after Moss all of the time.

Uhh, isn't this the same Irvin that was involved in the Cowboys "white house" with drugs and prostitution?? Link to story on "White House" I know he has supposedly reformed, and that's great, but sounds a little cheesy to me.

Woof, Woof - Dawg

 

[buffsldr]

He is paid to play football

There are plenty of football players who are impressive on the field but who strike me as horrible people. While I find some of Randy's antics ridiculous, I get sick of the announcers sitting back in morale judgement on the guy. If they insist on doing so, why don't they include how many illegitimate kids each of these guys have? I love what these guys do on the field despite the scumbags they may really be.

Point being, there are a lot more actions more reprehensible than feigning mooning.

 

[grapes911]

Ditka and Irvin took Moss to task on ESPN tonight, big time... Both said that they wouldn't want Moss on their team in spite of his talent (of course that is the PC thing to say on ESPN). I thought it was interesting that Irvin would cite Moss' off the field actions, etc. He said that he originally wanted him drafted by Dallas (which was the uproar at the time), but now he says he is glad he wasn't because he, Irvin, would have had to clean up after Moss all of the time.

I woun't want him on my team either. I'm a Philly fan and I love TO. I don't really care what he does after a touchdown. He works hard all year and gives everything he has on every play. If a player does that, he can do whatever he wants (with in some reason) after a score. Moss has a rep of not working as hard in practice and he has had some off the field problems. That is the difference between TO and Moss. I bet those same ESPN guys would all say they wanted TO because he's almost as talented and doesn't bring the off-field baggage.

PS. When was ESPN ever PC? Remember Playmakers?

 

[jackieonasses]

Now, I am not a Vikings fan, yet i think Moss is good. I have played high-school sports and know his type. But that doesn't deny the fact that he is one amazing player. He is. Some say he is lucky because of his height (6' 3") but it doesn't matter. He is good. Hall-of-Fame good. And i didn't see it last night, but it sounds to me really not that bad. Maybe i am a young hooligan, but following the Packers tradition, and it being pretend isn't THAT bad in my book. STILL, he shouldn't of done it.

kyle

 

[jackieonasses]

Now, I am not a Vikings fan, yet i think Moss is good. I have played high-school sports and know his type. But that doesn't deny the fact that he is one amazing player. He is. Some say he is lucky because of his height (6' 3") but it doesn't matter. He is good. Hall-of-Fame good. And i didn't see it last night, but it sounds to me really not that bad. Maybe i am a young hooligan, but following the Packers tradition, and it being pretend isn't THAT bad in my book. STILL, he shouldn't of done it.

kyle

 

[MacDawg]

I don't think anybody denies his talent, he is amazing. But as grapes911 indicated, he does take plays off, etc. and walked off from his team. And you are correct, grapes TO is different in that regard. TO is a distraction, etc. too, but in a different way. Not a big fan of either, but I had to have one, it would be TO I think. Actually, it appears that his 'personna' is more for marketing than anything else. In the interviews after the Sheridan incident, he seemed to be a genuine guy, and I was surprised. Moss on the other hand has always been t-r-o-u-b-l-e.

Funny though, you don't see any of this madness out of Manning and his receivers, and especially Marvin Harrison, who is at least close to their equals on the field.

Woof, Woof - Dawg

 

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[macidiot]

The other side of the story.

You see this yesterday?

During the Vikings-Packers game, Randy Moss pretended to pull down his pants and moon the Green Bay fans.

What a jackass. I hope he gets suspended for this weekend's game, in addition to any fine he receives.

What hasn't been said is why he did what he did. As Tony Dungy stated, the Green Bay Packers fans traditionally moon the opposing teams after a Packer victory. Add in the probably endless insults during the game, and I can see where Randy's display came from. In that context, it sounds like payback for the 2 earlier losses to the Packers this season. Jack Buck or Joe or whatever should shut his mouth and get a grip on reality. This was far from the worst thing that has happened in sports in the past year. Perhaps he should pay more attention to his original sport, baseball, and the travesty created by performance enhancing drugs. Or perhaps the drug, rape, assault, fraud, and murder related news in the NBA. Randy's display harmed nothing other than Mr. Buck's delicate sensibilities.

This is about as silly as the uproar over Janet Jackson's breast when no one said a thing about Nelly masturbating on stage during his song.

Bottomline, as bad as some people might think this is, at least he didn't go into the stands throwing punches (NBA anyone?).

 

[grapes911]

What hasn't been said is why he did what he did. As Tony Dungy stated, the Green Bay Packers fans traditionally moon the opposing teams after a Packer victory.

Actually, it has been said in this thread a few times already. Thanks for posting when you didn't read the whole thread.

 

[invaLPsion]

Randy Moss said he will do whatever he wants.

I wonder if he'll want to pay the fine he gets.

"I hope I don't get in trouble for it, but if I do, I'll take the heat."

-Randy Moss

Randy is a father, husband, and more importantly, a millionaire. He'll pay it.

 

[invaLPsion]

The signs and heckling are there because Randy Moss has shown a propensity to pull stunts like this in the past. He often doesn't play hard unless he is the intended receiver, heck, last week he walked off of the field as they were losing to Washington. If the signs bother him so much that he feels the need to respond then maybe he should look at his past behavior to realize why he is ridiculed so much.

Sure Randy pulls stunts like this, but he is a team leader on the Vikings. This season, he has played hard every single game. It's been tough for the Vikes, and considering the circumstances, he has not backed down against the pressure.

I ask this. Did walking off the field hurt anyone? Did it hurt anyone in the Packer's stadium? I think his two touchdown catches hurt them more. (One was an amazing catch with a sprained ankle I recall.)

 

[invaLPsion]

Randy Moss should be ashamed of himself. A disrespect of the fans. He should not play the next game and pay at least a $50,000 fine. Society should not tolerate actions like this.

Society shouldn't tolerate a number of things...

1. 36 million are in poverty in the United States (1/8 of the population)
2. 4.7 million children under the age of six are living in poverty.
3. 45 million Americans don't have health insurance.

The American people have a lot more things to worry about other than Randy Moss.

 

[invaLPsion]

I didn't think anything of it until Joe Buck said this is a disgrace and im sorry it was caught by our cameras, sounds like Fox is afraid of the FCC. Did anyone see the postgame interview when they had to bleep Moss.

Yes, I love Randy...

 

[invaLPsion]

I have to say I also hate Randy Moss because of his attitude and lack of work ethic. What he did was disgraceful to his team, but not the most horrible thing I've ever seen. He'll get a fine, but nothing more. I do think the Eagles will beat them on Sunday (knock-on-wood). E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!

I don't think he will be fined, he didn't even get a penalty in the game...

Randy Moss has been a leader on the Vikes. Lack of work ethic? He is the BEST receiver in football. There is no competition.

The Vikes are gonna beat the Eagles. The Eagle's do not have an offense without T.O. And Mcnabb doesn't come even come close to Daunte.