Randy Moss shows his true face

[Maclarny]

Randy Moss could strip for all I care as long as he scores touchdowns. If the media and society truly thought it was such a heinous and disgusting act it wouldn't have received as much attention as it did.

Culpepper and the Vikes will get their roll on and beat the Eagles in a close, hard fought game. 'Nuff said.

 

[QCassidy352]

Funny though, you don't see any of this madness out of Manning and his receivers, and especially Marvin Harrison, who is at least close to their equals on the field.

You're right: Harrison is way underrated and it's largely because he doesn't do the flashy shows that TO and Moss do. At the risk of going off topic, though, I would argue that Moss is in a different category from the other 2, and really from almost any other receiver all time. Yes, the numbers look very close, but there's one number there that you might not pay much attention to that speaks volumes to me. The catches of 40+ yards. Moss is way beyond the other 2 in that category and that's why he's different.

When Randy Moss is on the field the whole game changes. Not reflected in the numbers is the fact that Moss is practically always in double coverage (the other 2 are frequently as well, but not to the same degree) because that's the only way to even contain him. His presence alone spreads the field and causes defenses to rearrange themselves in a way that helps open up every other receiver the Vikings have. Simply put, when you're against Moss, you have to be concerned about the Viking scoring a touchdown on any down from any point on the field. He's that fast and dangerous.

/off topic

 

[invaLPsion]

When Randy Moss is on the field the whole game changes. Not reflected in the numbers is the fact that Moss is practically always in double coverage (the other 2 are frequently as well, but not to the same degree) because that's the only way to even contain him. His presence alone spreads the field and causes defenses to rearrange themselves in a way that helps open up every other receiver the Vikings have. Simply put, when you're against Moss, you have to be concerned about the Viking scoring a touchdown on any down from any point on the field. He's that fast and dangerous.

/off topic

Quite correct. Almost every single play Randy Moss is double or even triple covered. Yet somehow he still manages to attain the same amount or even larger an amount of catches and touchdowns as his "equals."

 

[Cursor]

I don't think he will be fined, he didn't even get a penalty in the game...

Randy Moss has been a leader on the Vikes. Lack of work ethic? He is the BEST receiver in football. There is no competition.

The Vikes are gonna beat the Eagles. The Eagle's do not have an offense without T.O. And Mcnabb doesn't come even come close to Daunte.

You're kidding me, right?! Best receiver in football? Then why did the Eagles kill them in the regular season? Why was TO's ability the talk of the NFL during the season? The Eagles have a great OL, great half back, tight end, and QB. Not to mention 3 Pro Bowl DBs and a solid linebacker unit to shut down your "great" Daunte Culpepper and Moss. All the Vikings have is attitude. And that is what will do them in on Sunday. They are the most inconsistent team in the playoffs as of this week.

 

[invaLPsion]

You're kidding me, right?! Best receiver in football? Then why did the Eagles kill them in the regular season? Why was TO's ability the talk of the NFL during the season? The Eagles have a great OL, great half back, tight end, and QB. Not to mention 3 Pro Bowl DBs and a solid linebacker unit to shut down your "great" Daunte Culpepper and Moss. All the Vikings have is attitude. And that is what will do them in on Sunday. They are the most inconsistent team in the playoffs as of this week.

Right now, they are the most consistent team in the playoffs, as they have won one, and lost zero. The regular season means NOTHING.

Killed? Are you referring to the game where it is widely known that T.O.'s touchdown pass was in fact incomplete? (You can't dispute that.) When there were some terrible calls against the Vikings and where D.C. fumbled on the Goal line? No, that game could have gone either way, and it's gonna swing the Viking's way come Sunday.

Too bad T.O, the "Talk of the NFL" is injured, and will be when D.C., and the BEST receivers in the NFL light up Philly's End Zone this weekend.

 

[MacDawg]

...and the BEST receivers in the NFL light up Philly's End Zone this weekend.

I think Indianapolis' crew might dispute this "best receivers" claim

Woof, Woof - Dawg

 

[Cursor]

Right now, they are the most consistent team in the playoffs, as they have won one, and lost zero. The regular season means NOTHING.

Killed? Are you referring to the game where it is widely known that T.O.'s touchdown pass was in fact incomplete? (You can't dispute that.) When there were some terrible calls against the Vikings and where D.C. fumbled on the Goal line? No, that game could have gone either way, and it's gonna swing the Viking's way come Sunday.

Too bad T.O, the "Talk of the NFL" is injured, and will be when D.C., and the BEST receivers in the NFL light up Philly's End Zone this weekend.

Yeah, we'll see...we'll see if they make it out of the Bird's nest alive.

 

[invaLPsion]

Yeah, we'll see...we'll see if they make it out of the Bird's nest alive.

We'll see if your fans make it out without being exposed to a mooning by Randy. "OH the HORROR!" *Gasp*

 

[Cursor]

We'll see if your fans make it out without being exposed to a mooning by Randy. "OH the HORROR!" *Gasp*

Seriously-if he did that, I thik the fans would riot and try to get at him. Trash and everything else would be flying at him from everywhere. Mooning Philadelphia fans would be a huge and stupid mistake.

 

[Abstract]

But I have to say that this was funny. I was laughed my head off. He was getting ripped to no end on those signs and he probably got it even worse verbally. Its not like he jumped into the stands a beat up a bunch of people or thew a chair. HE DIDN'T EVEN REALLY MOON ANYONE. IT WAS A JOKE. The commentators have to lay off.

Yeah, that was funny!

Actually, I didn't initially think that he was "pretending" to moon the fans. I thought he pretended to pull down his pants, then danced around the neraby post like a stripper.

It was even funnier when I heard that he was mooning people.

 

[grapes911]

I don't think he will be fined, he didn't even get a penalty in the game...

How many posts you going to do in a row?

Randy Moss has been a leader on the Vikes. Lack of work ethic? He is the BEST receiver in football. There is no competition.

Most talented? Yes. Best receiver? There are atleast 2 (TO and Marrison) and maybe more (Horn, Ward, etc) receivers that most people would take before Moss. You don't follow football at all if you think he has good work ethic.

The Vikes are gonna beat the Eagles. The Eagle's do not have an offense without T.O. And Mcnabb doesn't come even come close to Daunte.

The Eagles' offense will be weaker than before, no doubt. But lets get real, between McFive and Westbrook the average (at best) defense of the Vikings is going to have its hands full. And Culpepper over NcNabb!?!? You've got to be kidding me. Daunte usually throws for more yards and more touchdowns. Don has less INTs and more wins. I, and any other sane person, would take wins over any other stat. More important #5 won in the playoffs regularly. Maybe he can't get past the NFC championship game, but Culpepper didn't even make the playoffs last year, and should be here this year. At 8-8, they should have but an AFC team in the NFC playoffs. If the Eagles loose, it will be because they beat themselves, not because the Vikes are a better team.

 

[~Shard~]

Randy Moss is an amazingly talented individual, I enjoy watching him play - He is truly one of the best receivers in the NFL.

As for this incident, it was a joke, and I found it quite hilarious. It's playoff time, everything is at a higher level, the Vikes (and especially Moss) had something to prove, so emotions got high. For those people who were offended or found it disgusting all I can say is man, are there some sensitive people out there! Lighten up and don't get your panties in a knot, there are things you've either done yourself or at least watched on TV that are ten times worse so smarten up, you hypocrites...

Some people need to get a sense of humor, this was hilarious and fun. It's not like he actually dropped his pants.

Should be a good game next week...

 

[invaLPsion]

How many posts you going to do in a row?

A lot. I'm dreadfully outnumbered here.

You don't follow football at all if you think he has good work ethic.

I know how he practices and I have seen him practice. Training camp takes place in my hometown every year. He busts his butt out there. Last year he may have had some problems with effort but If you can point out one game where he hasnt given it his all (barring the last 2 seconds in the Redskin game; lets face it, it was over) I'd like you to apprise me.

And Culpepper over NcNabb!?!? You've got to be kidding me. Daunte usually throws for more yards and more touchdowns. Don has less INTs and more wins. I, and any other sane person, would take wins over any other stat. More important #5 won in the playoffs regularly. Maybe he can't get past the NFC championship game, but Culpepper didn't even make the playoffs last year, and should be here this year. At 8-8, they should have but an AFC team in the NFC playoffs. If the Eagles loose, it will be because they beat themselves, not because the Vikes are a better team.

Culpepper has 8 more touchdowns, a 6 point higher pass rating, a 5.2% higher completion rate, is more dangerous in the pocket and on the outside, and has much more passing yards. He's better.

We'll see come Sunday. It should be a great game.

 

[macidiot]

Actually, it has been said in this thread a few times already. Thanks for posting when you didn't read the whole thread.

your welcome. And as far as I can tell it was referred to only one time before I posted.

 

[Thomas Veil]

For those who are saying we shouldn't be offended and we're too sensitive, or are making comparisons to TV murder and mayhem...consider the context. If you want to avoid seeing murders, you stay away from the cop shows. But what are we supposed to do if we want to avoid seeing vulgar self-aggrandizement, stop watching football? And if Moss's little performance is considered acceptable, then what are we going to see next -- Moss pretending to whip out his penis and piss all over the field? Ha ha ha, how funny.

No, aside from the fact that he's got all the class of an eight year old, Moss (and others) do it for one reason only: because it guarantees seeing themselves repeated endlessly on ESPN's Sportcenter. It gets them air time.

And that brings up another issue. Networks should not rerun that stuff. It just encourages more. In fact, when they're dealing with a known jerk like Randy Moss, it's probably a good idea to cut away from him immediately after the touchdown. Just in case.

 

[xsedrinam]

Now this one makes sense. You might also add that the Eagles didn't get a #1 seed by gazing at the moon. The Vikings backed in to the playoffs with one of the poorest records along with the Rams. Come Sunday, they can talk about getting their "roll on" but they'll get rolled over. I lost all respect for the team which used to be a valid "black and blue division" NFC contender when they took their football inside and made it a gurly-man's game. In Philly, you'll see some steam comin' out of the helmets. That's the way it should be. For all the Eagles care, Moss could blow monkies out his butt; it will make little difference.
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You're kidding me, right?! Best receiver in football? Then why did the Eagles kill them in the regular season? Why was TO's ability the talk of the NFL during the season? The Eagles have a great OL, great half back, tight end, and QB. Not to mention 3 Pro Bowl DBs and a solid linebacker unit to shut down your "great" Daunte Culpepper and Moss. All the Vikings have is attitude. And that is what will do them in on Sunday. They are the most inconsistent team in the playoffs as of this week.

 

[Jimong5]

i personally don't care how good Moss is. I once saw him jump on the back of a packer down a few years ago and jump off. He's never had a good attitude, and I don't have respect for him as a person. sure, he's a father, but any drunken hillbilly can be, that doesn't mean he's good. Knowing randy, he probably just gives them money and calls it parenting.

look at Barry Sanders, Brett Farve, Jerry Rice, Terry Bradshaw, or Even Reggie White.

Reggie White is the best example, seeing as how he just died, the entire league took notice. if Randy were to die tomorrow, I doubt it would have the same impact as Reggie did. Why? Reggie was a great player, and a great person. Is it too much to ask to have a little class? Class doesn't have anything to do with what Green Bay fans do, you wouldn't see any other Viking do that. Thats why Randy has such a bad rap, because he cant act with some decency.

 

[Xtremehkr]

The culture of Professional Sports has never struck me as being mature. They are all kind of enormous spoilt kidults. Since winning is the only respected result it doesn't seem to matter, except when it goes wrong.

 

[QCassidy352]

Reggie White is the best example, seeing as how he just died, the entire league took notice. if Randy were to die tomorrow, I doubt it would have the same impact as Reggie did. Why? Reggie was a great player, and a great person. Is it too much to ask to have a little class? Class doesn't have anything to do with what Green Bay fans do, you wouldn't see any other Viking do that. Thats why Randy has such a bad rap, because he cant act with some decency.

Not to speak ill of the dead, but I'm not sure I'd use White as my model of a "great person."

"Famed Green Bay Packers defensive end Reggie White stepped into controversy a year ago (1998) with his speech to the Wisconsin Legislature in which he called homosexuality a sin and said blacks like to dance, Asians could "turn a television into a watch," Hispanics knew how to put 20 or 30 people under the same roof, and whites were good at making money.

Then he appeared in a national newspaper advertisement and taped a commercial against same-sex 'marriages.' "
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/read.reggiewhite.html

If you want to avoid seeing murders, you stay away from the cop shows. But what are we supposed to do if we want to avoid seeing vulgar self-aggrandizement, stop watching football? And if Moss's little performance is considered acceptable, then what are we going to see next -- Moss pretending to whip out his penis and piss all over the field? Ha ha ha, how funny.

I don't know... i just don't think it was that bad. I don't think it was that funny, but for goodness' sake he *pretended* to engage in what is itself a mildy offensive act. I just don't see mooning as that harmful - it's crass, a bit funny, and rather tasteless. And Moss only mimed actually doing it.

I think Indianapolis' crew might dispute this "best receivers" claim

As a *group* Indy's guys are clearly the best. But first, they also have the best QB in football throwing to them so they look a lot better than they would with Trent Dilfer in the pocket. And second, as individuals, they can't compare to Moss (except Marvin, who is clearly among the best as well, though not quite on the same level for the reasons I went in to earlier).

 

[MacDawg]

As a *group* Indy's guys are clearly the best. But first, they also have the best QB in football throwing to them so they look a lot better than they would with Trent Dilfer in the pocket. And second, as individuals, they can't compare to Moss (except Marvin, who is clearly among the best as well, though not quite on the same level for the reasons I went in to earlier).

The point being made was that the Vikings had the best receivers, plural, in the game... and I was not claiming any one of them to be better than Moss, but as a group, they are better than anyone in the league. And how good would Moss be with Trent Dilfer?


No, I'm not doubting Moss as a player, he is one of the all time best at what he does on the field. I still wouldn't want him on my team. Personally, I'd rather lose without him, than win with him. And I'd certainly take TO over him, and I'm no TO fan either.

FWIW, I'd take Donavan over Daunte too. But I'd rather have Brady than either of them. As far as Peyton goes... I'm a Dawg fan, so his years at Tennessee cloud my thinking. He never beat Florida, never won the national championship. Looks like now that NE is his Florida. Records, yes. Championships, no. I'll take Brady and Belichek over Peyton and Dungy.

As far as Eagles/Vikings... doesn't matter. The AFC clearly has the dominant teams this year. NE, Pit, Colts, Jets are all better than anything the NFC has this year, especially now that TO is out for the Eagles.

Woof, Woof - Dawg

 

[Applespider]

Someone really did 'moon' during this weekend's games although it was accidental.

Ken Lucas, the Seahawks #21, lost his pants as he tried to tackle Torry Holt near the start of the game (the 50 yard pass to Holt for those who intend going back to check). His pants slid down as he made the tackle and two buttcheeks were clearly visible tho quickly cut from.

 

[~Shard~]

For those who are saying we shouldn't be offended and we're too sensitive, or are making comparisons to TV murder and mayhem...consider the context. If you want to avoid seeing murders, you stay away from the cop shows. But what are we supposed to do if we want to avoid seeing vulgar self-aggrandizement, stop watching football? And if Moss's little performance is considered acceptable, then what are we going to see next -- Moss pretending to whip out his penis and piss all over the field? Ha ha ha, how funny.

Actually that would probably be kind of funny as well. Seriously, I feel sorry for anyone who thinks that mooning is vulgar - it's a playful, mischievous gesture which is quite harmless and fun. If you've never mooned anyone in your life then I guess you're pretty conservative and easily-offended, but I guess there's nothing wrong with that. Again though, Moss didn't even actually moon the audience - that would have been something completely different because it would have been indecent exposure, and yes, I would have had issues with that. But come on people, lighten up! Sometimes these players yell things to the opposing crowds when they score which are ten times worse and extremely vulgar - things that are far worse than pretend-mooning - but do you ever hear any people complain over that?

If pretend-mooning is vulgar to some people, then those people are living sheltered lives, are hyper-sensitive, and need to lighten up their sense of humor. I'd hate to see how they cope in the real world. Ah well, what can ya do...

 

[atszyman]

I know how he practices and I have seen him practice. Training camp takes place in my hometown every year. He busts his butt out there. Last year he may have had some problems with effort but If you can point out one game where he hasnt given it his all (barring the last 2 seconds in the Redskin game; lets face it, it was over) I'd like you to apprise me.

I can't believe that you think Randy gives his all in every game.

This from a Minnesota online news paper calling Moss the Vikings best player.

"Well, we'll concede that Moss doesn't give his all on every play."

http://www.citypages.com/bestof2001/outandabout/bestof1431.asp

It is from 2001 but I have seen little to make me think he has changed much.

 

[~Shard~]

Culpepper has 8 more touchdowns, a 6 point higher pass rating, a 5.2% higher completion rate, is more dangerous in the pocket and on the outside, and has much more passing yards. He's better.

Just thought I'd add that he had the most passing yards in the entire NFL this year out of any quarterback as well, with Peyton only coming in third. Daunte has always impressed me too.

Regardless of all this bickering though between Vikings and Eagles fans, it should be a good game Sunday, and I'll enjoy it no matter who is victorious.

 

[atszyman]

For the record I was not offended by the celebration. I thought it should have drawn a flag for excessive celebration but I don't necessarily deem it fine worthy, it is not nearly as bad as TO's cell phone and autograph stunts.

I just don't have much tolerance for Moss's antics. He has done nothing to earn my respect and I definitely would not want him on my football team. For years he was more harm to the Vikings than he was good due to his expansive ego and no one willing to stand up for him. He appears to have improved a bit this year but not by much.

His walking off of the field may have made little difference in the Washington game but he should have been benched or fired for that. If I just get up and leave my job when things aren't going well I won't get to keep that job for long.