rant on women's clothing

[faintember]

Well the boys have spoken.
Sorry ladies, looks like burkas for you.

Is intelligence falling backwards that fast?

I really hope you are responding to the select few males present in this thread that could fall in to this category rather than lumping all of them together. If that indeed is your point I would hope you would clarify it and/or be more conscious of your sweeping generalizations in the future. I am not trying to be offensive, rather just trying to understand your statement.

If you are responding to those men that use catcalls, make inappropriate gestures, create unwanted/unwarranted bodily contact, etc. then we are in agreement. A persons clothing, regardless of their gender, is not an invitation to any of the previously mentioned actions.

My take, as a male in his mid-late 20's, is that generally speaking I prefer a woman that dresses not necessarily conservatively, but more conservative/classy than low ride jeans/bare midriffs, etc. There is a line between low-slung, underwear-exposing jeans and burkas, and this is not a fine line in any way, except, it seems, in the minds of designers and certain merchants.

A quote comes to mind, (might of read it here sometime in the past)
"One of my main problems with organized religion is the phallocentrism and hypocritical nature of the dogma.
The Bible was written by men, for men, to suit their purposes."

Sigh.

I started reading this thread just to see the opinions of other women in regards to clothing, and yet I am now reading seemingly OT religious slander. Why am I not surprised?

 

[Eraserhead]

Ok, fair enough. I am 17, I had this image of my parents marching into school demanding to search my bag and locker - and I didn't think that was very fair.. but obviously that's not really the case. I guess it's fair to enforce the rules set by the school.

I think parents would be less likely to do this in the UK, I think its a cultural thing, because I would just think they were being paranoid. Though at my school we had to wear uniforms, and as far as I know no-one changed clothes when they got to school to look more slutty/whatever <shrug>.

Fashion can make things harder. For men there are some issues, for a while jeans were only sold with buttons rather than a zip, at that point I bought from other shops, but the only shop not falling for this madness was Marks and Spencers .

The real problem with women getting attacked/whatever is that men should be taught its not OK. In general social education is utterly appalling in the UK, so I'm not surprised that men don't know how to behave. On the same line women need to have it explained that it is beyond the pale to lie about this stuff. Now I'm sure the number of women doing this is several orders of magnitude lower than men, but it does happen sometimes and it needs to publicly made unacceptable. This would hopefully making juries believe the victims in rape cases to bring the conviction rate above 5%.

 

[Melrose]

Nothing like seeing a pleasantly plump lady wearing spandex.

Looks like bread dough rising over the sides of bowl.

GAD! That's a thought I never want in my head, not to slight the plump and portly. It's just my personal preference.

I think it cheapens a woman when she dresses with the 'whale tail' thing. Something I've actually seen a couple in Apple stores.

Woman are not meant as objects of desire, I mean not in public.

 

[harcosparky]

So you don't trust your kids? You don't believe that as they get older, they would become more mature and make their own decisions?

I dunno, maybe you missed much of what I said.

As they got older, they earned more trust and freedoms.

Until you've raised 4 children ages , 19, 18, 16, and 12 you really can't understand.

Trust is a funny thing, and it can be destroyed with a single phone call from school.

Do you think it wise to 'trust' a 9 yr old to make his own decisions?

Do you think it wise to 'trust' a 11 yr old to make his own decisions?

Trust is not something arbitrarily handed out, it must be earned.

Now as one Moderator has said ..... let's keep this on topic .....

Here ya go,

An adult woman can wear what she want, where she wants, when she wants.

If she wants to dress like a clown and go to church, that's on her.

Hopefully that woman has the sense of decency to wear appropriate clothing in appropriate places, and at the appropriate time.

What YOUR children wear is YOUR business, believe it or not. Would you let you son wear a t-shirt, cut-off jeans, and sandals to you nieces wedding in November?

How will a child learn what is appropriate attire, if the parents " trust them to make their own decisions "?

Bottom Line - All clothing is appropriate, in a certain place, and time.

 

[Abstract]

How will a child learn what is appropriate attire, if the parents " trust them to make their own decisions "?

Observation? They're not just learning from you, you know.

My parents didn't (strictly) "enforce" what I wore, and guess what? I still learnt how to dress myself. Appropriately. Even without the parents there, I managed that. Am I amazing, or am I typical? I'd say I'm a rather typical case.


I just hope you weren't going through your children's lockers when they were 17 years old. That would be unnecessary and a relationship lacking in trust.

When I was 17-18, I was travelling 1 hour to go to work, earning money, and saving it. My mum wasn't even in the backseat.