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Thanks for the reply.

How would the encryption be for Group Chat with iPhones and Android phones?

It would use standard SSL while in transit. Meaning it will be encrypted from the iphone to the server, and from the server to the android phone, but not while in the server.

While unencrypted, the spec calls for the message to be deleted upon delivery to intended recipients.
 
I think Apple adding support for RCS is going to be one of those great underrated features for people like myself who have friends and family members who use Android. SMS is not secure and should always be a last resort in my opinion so good on Apple for supporting it and for Google for complaining about it.
It was china or Japan that forced Apple to implement RCS because it’s law there that says if you make a 5g mobile you must include RCS
 
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which is pretty damn sad that apple needed government intervention to force them to improve communication between androids and iPhones
Which is annoying on both ends to me. While I welcome the feature, I also don't believe the government should be forcing companies to implement things on their products. People have the choice not to purchase if they want a phone with RCS.
 
Which is annoying on both ends to me. While I welcome the feature, I also don't believe the government should be forcing companies to implement things on their products. People have the choice not to purchase if they want a phone with RCS.

Government can absolutely mandate companies to implement certain product.

For example: government can set maximum radiation emitted from phone, government can mandate all smartphone makers to be compatible with hearing aids, government can regulate interoperability between different standards, government can certain force all smartphone makers to support universal messaging standard.
 
Government can absolutely mandate companies to implement certain product.

For example: government can set maximum radiation emitted from phone, government can mandate all smartphone makers to be compatible with hearing aids, government can regulate interoperability between different standards, government can certain force all smartphone makers to support universal messaging standard.
I never said they couldn't, I said they shouldn't.

Safety issues I get, ADA issues I get.

Mandating the type of messaging is a different animal though. How long until they mandate weaker encryption so law enforcement can access the data?

Also, I was and still am against the USB-C charging requirement.
 
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I never said they couldn't, I said they shouldn't.

Safety issues I get, ADA issues I get.

Mandating the type of messaging is a different animal though. How long until they mandate weaker encryption so law enforcement can access the data?

Also, I was and still am against the USB-C charging requirement.

Mandating universal common communication standard is bar minimum government should do.

ensure universal common communication standard ensure people can communicate, exchange informations in need without being forced into one platform. And this should evolve. RCS no exceptions.

USB-C is no different. If government doesn’t set standard power plugs that electronic devices plugs into, how do you ensure safety? Do you think we should have different power plugs from different manufacturers? How many types of power socket would you need in a house? It is something, just because lightning port is from Apple, doesn’t mean Apple is exception.

In same logic, I believe electric car should have universal power adaptor as well, just like we have universal gas pump nozzles.

P.S. I would also add, even if there is no government mandate on universal port, USB-C on iPhone will just be matter of time.
 
I never said they couldn't, I said they shouldn't.

Safety issues I get, ADA issues I get.
Why? A government is supposed to represent the people they are governing even though some people might not realize a law is for their benefit.

Mandating the type of messaging is a different animal though. How long until they mandate weaker encryption so law enforcement can access the data?
Business are not your friends. Businesses are in the business of making..... money.

They will put profit over anything else if there are no rules governing how they operate. How people have been convinced that business have their best interest at heart is quiet frankly sad.

Governments already ask for weak encryption. Like for example do you know that Apple stores data for Chinese customers in China and also the encryption keys for the Chinese government to use for those data?

RCS does not have E2EE as part of the standard because the telecoms did not want it. Google added E2EE to their implementation of it.

Also, I was and still am against the USB-C charging requirement.
Left to business, this would be our reality and that's just a few.
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They were mandated to come up with a common plug and they chose USB micro in 2009 which is now updated to USB C for modern times.

USB C is better than lighting, Apple knows this because the design for the USB-C connector was initially developed in 2012 by Apple and Intel. That is why they adopted it for their iPad long before they were mandated to for iPhones. Businesses are not your friends, Apple put profit from MFI lighting certification over using a connector that they helped design.
 
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Interestingly, because RCS messages often counted against your monthly allotment of text messaging in many countries, people switched to other apps for text communication. Hence the rise of operating system-agnostic apps like WhatsApp, LINE, WeChat and even Facebook Messenger.
Which country / carrier billed RCS messages? Or did you accidentally type RCS but wanted to say SMS/MMS?


Anyways, I really hope this shows up in a future (hopefully an early) beta instead of just on launch day. Implementing an entirely new communication standard is no small task, should have extensive testing (I somehow doubt many Apple employees would voluntarily disable iMessage to test RCS messaging when running internal pre-release software). I‘d rather issues arise during early beta versions than on launch day, which can potentially make or break public perception when their texts don‘t go out / come in reliably anymore.
 
Which country / carrier billed RCS messages? Or did you accidentally type RCS but wanted to say SMS/MMS?


Anyways, I really hope this shows up in a future (hopefully an early) beta instead of just on launch day. Implementing an entirely new communication standard is no small task, should have extensive testing (I somehow doubt many Apple employees would voluntarily disable iMessage to test RCS messaging when running internal pre-release software). I‘d rather issues arise during early beta versions than on launch day, which can potentially make or break public perception when their texts don‘t go out / come in reliably anymore.
I believe that RCS messages were kind of treated like MMS messages since they weren't sent through an app like WhatsApp, WeChat, LINE or even Facebook Messenger. Just the user base for WhatsApp is huge in many parts of the world, because it is a truly cellphone operating system agnostic app.

In North America, Europe and in eastern Asia, SMS/MMS messages are nowadays unlimited, so such messaging isn't counted against any limit. Sadly, a lot of countries still count SMS/MMS messages against a set limit per month.

Hopefully, when Apple releases iOS 18.0, the RCS messaging will all be compliant with the GSMA standard for such messaging, since Google's implementation had a number of non-standard parts.
 
MMS are being charged by every provider here in Germany (except of Vodafone in some plans). In the past, RCS prices were depending on the regular contract - if you have unlimited text, this was included. Now, where it runs over Google, it doesn’t matter anymore.
 
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I believe that RCS messages were kind of treated like MMS messages since they weren't sent through an app like WhatsApp, WeChat, LINE or even Facebook Messenger. Just the user base for WhatsApp is huge in many parts of the world, because it is a truly cellphone operating system agnostic app.

In North America, Europe and in eastern Asia, SMS/MMS messages are nowadays unlimited, so such messaging isn't counted against any limit. Sadly, a lot of countries still count SMS/MMS messages against a set limit per month.

Hopefully, when Apple releases iOS 18.0, the RCS messaging will all be compliant with the GSMA standard for such messaging, since Google's implementation had a number of non-standard parts.
they are only unlimited in Europe if you have a plan that gives you unlimited, mms messages are not included in sms allowances, they will charge you for them.
 
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MMS are being charged by every provider here in Germany (except of Vodafone in some plans). In the past, RCS prices were depending on the regular contract - if you have unlimited text, this was included. Now, where it runs over Google, it doesn’t matter anymore.
Yes and no. Pretty much all RCS messages go through the Google Jibe server, however there are a few carriers that still provide their own RCS backend. I believe in the US however, pretty much all carriers have or will soon contract Google Jibe to handle the backend. It's just easier and cheaper to pay them to do it. Since Apple will likely just have the carriers backend RCS much like they handle SMS/MMS now, Google Jibe will be handling most of it even if Apple is not directly working with them. A carrier could in theory charge per message even if they used Jibe because it's just contracted to handle messages for them, but I highly doubt it.
 
MMS are being charged by every provider here in Germany (except of Vodafone in some plans). In the past, RCS prices were depending on the regular contract - if you have unlimited text, this was included. Now, where it runs over Google, it doesn’t matter anymore.
And Vodafone already shutdown MMS last year. Telefonica and Telekom will do the same and Apple supporting RCS will probably also a reason to shutdown it down. MMS was due to the high prices never really a thing in Germany. And a reason why WhatsApp is so successful in Germany.
 
Here in the U.S. (iOS user since the 4s) I am quite happy about this as Apple has effectively upgraded our base communication standard in iMessage (when we loose the blue bubbles and fall back to SMS, we'll now fall back to RCS which will be so much better - doesn't happen often, but it does happen).

For those of us who message folks on the other side of the aisle (I have a few) that'll seriously be upgraded now as well. Wins all around as far as I can see. Interesting question is whether Apple would have had to do this if they had launched & supported their Android version of iMessage back in the day (which was supposedly close to being reality, long ago).
 
The carriers will be supporting the backend just like they do SMS/MMS. Since most of them are using Jibe instead of their own servers or are planning to in the future it should work pretty well at least in the USA. I'm not sure how it'll all work in other parts of the world. Since Apple is using the universal profile E2EE won't be a feature when iPhones are messaging Android, however it's still much more secure than SMS.
 
Its people like you that gives Apple users the reputation it has. Are you this way with friends and family when they own a car brand you don't like? Behaviors like these reveal real life prejudices.

Even if Windows Mobile, Blackberry and Palm OS survived there would still be a need for RCS. I sure hope you don't think the entire world should all use the same phone.
Nope. I think we should use whatever phone you want.

I still don’t talk to android users.
 
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Nope. I think we should use whatever phone you want.

I still don’t talk to android users.
Yes. If I had a wonderful, loyal friend for many years and they went out and bought an Android phone that friendship would be over. Even if they tried so hard to be nice and do everything I'd be mean and bully until they felt destroyed and stopped talking to me. Loyalty to corporations must come first. /s
 
Yes. If I had a wonderful, loyal friend for many years and they went out and bought an Android phone that friendship would be over. Even if they tried so hard to be nice and do everything I'd be mean and bully until they felt destroyed and stopped talking to me. Loyalty to corporations must come first. /s
The friendship would not be over lol. I just wouldn’t text them as much lol.

It’s the main reason why I don’t text my mom often. I talk on the phone but she literally has an android (truly unfortunate I can’t get her off android. But whatever) and she wonders why I always message her on messenger.

I don’t text android users. Guys who
Give me their number the chats usually die out because I don’t want to text green lol.

And I don’t want anything RCS on my phone so it shall be turned off IMMEDIATELY
 
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The friendship would not be over lol. I just wouldn’t text them as much lol.

It’s the main reason why I don’t text my mom often. I talk on the phone but she literally has an android (truly unfortunate I can’t get her off android. But whatever) and she wonders why I always message her on messenger.

I don’t text android users. Guys who
Give me their number the chats usually die out because I don’t want to text green lol.

And I don’t want anything RCS on my phone so it shall be turned off IMMEDIATELY
That must create a very stressful situation with your mom, but I'm glad you still talk to her. People can do what they want, but I just don't get hung up on any of this and communicate with those I care about or like no matter what phone they use.
 
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It’s the main reason why I don’t text my mom often. I talk on the phone but she literally has an android (truly unfortunate I can’t get her off android.

I don’t text android users. Guys who
Give me their number the chats usually die out because I don’t want to text green lol.
And I don’t want anything RCS on my phone so it shall be turned off IMMEDIATELY
I must admit this is fascinating.

These are legitimate first world problems.
 
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Do you just...not like green?
Love the color actually. My hair is green for pride!

I just don’t talk to green bubbles. Case in point my phone service today was having some weird signal issues. Thankfully I was near Wi-Fi and most of the ppl I talked to use imesssage but that’s a prime example of why I don’t like green bubbles.

Yes rcs can do the same as iMessage but nobody I talk to uses an android so it’s of no use or benefit to me.
 
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