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I must admit this is fascinating.

These are legitimate first world problems.
Not a problem since it doesn’t inconvenience me since I don’t talk to green bubble ppl.

That must create a very stressful situation with your mom, but I'm glad you still talk to her. People can do what they want, but I just don't get hung up on any of this and communicate with those I care about or like no matter what phone they use.
No stress at all.

I can still call her or I can use messenger. I also see her daily so it’s not like we don’t talk.

I just refuse to text her UNLESS it’s urgent(like she needed an address to my brothers apartment) because I don’t text green bubbles lol.
 
Not a problem since it doesn’t inconvenience me since I don’t talk to green bubble ppl.


No stress at all.

I can still call her or I can use messenger. I also see her daily so it’s not like we don’t talk.

I just refuse to text her UNLESS it’s urgent(like she needed an address to my brothers apartment) because I don’t text green bubbles lol.

I have never understood this. Do people like you never encountered or to have to deal with someone using non-iPhone? Do you just call them? Using different messaging app?

I have both my direct supervisors using Android. I have to carry Pixel 7 with me, so I can RCS them. Anyway, I am so glad RCS is coming to iOS
 
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I have never understood this. Do people like you never encountered or to have to deal with someone using non-iPhone? Do you just call them? Using different messaging app?

I have both my direct supervisors using Android. I have to carry Pixel 7 with me, so I can RCS them. Anyway, I am so glad RCS is coming to iOS
No im just lucky that most people I meet are smart to use iPhones lol.

But i also do use multiple different messaging apps (Snapchat, messenger, telegram, WhatsApp, Instagram).

Hence why I said that the only ppl who were in their feelings about iMessage being to iPhone only or demanding RCS comes to iPhone are a small majority lol.

Most people on android don’t even know what RCS is or sms.
 
No im just lucky that most people I meet are smart to use iPhones lol.

But i also do use multiple different messaging apps (Snapchat, messenger, telegram, WhatsApp, Instagram).

Hence why I said that the only ppl who were in their feelings about iMessage being to iPhone only or demanding RCS comes to iPhone are a small majority lol.

Most people on android don’t even know what RCS is or sms.

I am belong to the small group of people, I guess. I hate use different messaging app. The only reason I use WhatsApp is because my tenant use WhatsApp.

And it is pretty much must to use WeChat to talk anyone Chinese.

This is only two messaging app that I use. I only talk with my supervisor via text messing on my Pixel phone (hence RCS messaging)
 
Those who do not want to use Meta 👿 empire apps to be able communicate with Android.

Here blue bubbles can consist 10-20% of your messages.
Okay so don’t use meta which most of the world seems to have no issue using (WhatsApp). Not wanting to use meta apps is a minority.

If you don’t use it there is
1. Skype
2. Telegram
3. Kakao
4. Signal
5. Teams
6. Snapchat

There are cross platform options. That are still more useful and have been used than RCS. RCS is essentially overhyped because even with it in iOS now, it’s not going to make ppl switch to it over existing platforms.
 
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Could someone summarize their experience with RCS after month or so it is available in beta? Especially communication with users outside of USA. Does it works?
It’s wholly unreliable. As I expected.

You have to first send as sms usually because the phone doesn’t automatically read the number is RCS compatible.

Even then it will randomly switch between sms and RCS. This is why apple probably should have made a different color. It makes more sense to visually differentiate between sms and iMessage and RCS because I can just look at the color and tell how it’s sent. It’s how I knew that something was wrong iMessage the few weeks when that outage happened simply because the text was green.

When a message fails to send as RCS, unlike iMessage where it automatically switches over to sms, it doesn’t appear to do this for RCS. I sent a message to my mom and it failed and I had to manually go back in and hit send as sms. I can imagine how annoying that will be if I’m busy and I don’t notice it until later and the message never sent.

The Tapbacks and iMessage features are still far superior than RCS.

RCS on android has largely been a mess so I’m not shocked that it’s the same on iOS.

In short, RCS on iPhone is very basic. The verge said it best. It’s not the same as google messages (thank god). It’s essentially an enhanced sms or sms 1.5.

You can do the bare minimum and I actually applaud apple for that shady way of saying f you to the eu. They can’t be faulted for not using RCS while literally using the most basic form.

I have sense turned RCS off my iPhone and I will be telling all my iPhone circle of friends to do the same and to tell their people to turn their RCS off.
 
It’s wholly unreliable. As I expected.
Stop exaggerating, you hated RCS long before Apple implemented it. It is new for iOS and still being worked on by Apple with their mobile operator partners. It is actually more stable than I imagined it would be and from my experience works about 90% of the time.
You have to first send as sms usually because the phone doesn’t automatically read the number is RCS compatible.
You don't have to first send as sms. The way Apple has implemented the RCS registration system is not working properly, yet.
Even then it will randomly switch between sms and RCS.
Just like iMessage. Mid conversation it switches back and forth. This conversation was last Wednesday with a friend via iMessage. RCS in contrast has been more stable for me than iMessage.
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This is why apple probably should have made a different color. It makes more sense to visually differentiate between sms and iMessage and RCS because I can just look at the color and tell how it’s sent. It’s how I knew that something was wrong iMessage the few weeks when that outage happened simply because the text was green.
That is an Apple design issue that they can fix but just like their implementation of RCS they are doing the bare minimum.
When a message fails to send as RCS, unlike iMessage where it automatically switches over to sms, it doesn’t appear to do this for RCS.
Not true, the setting is there but I it doesn't work properly. Sometimes it attempts to send as SMS and sometimes it doesn't just like iMessage. Another Apple implementation issue that they need to fix.
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I sent a message to my mom and it failed and I had to manually go back in and hit send as sms. I can imagine how annoying that will be if I’m busy and I don’t notice it until later and the message never sent.
Apple needs to fix that.
The Tapbacks and iMessage features are still far superior than RCS.
It is not. There are lots of things Apple can implement using RCS tapbacks to make them on par with iMessage but it requires them actually being Pro consumer and working with Google but they won't.
RCS on android has largely been a mess so I’m not shocked that it’s the same on iOS.
RCS was a mess on Android prior to Google taking over the implementation.
In short, RCS on iPhone is very basic. The verge said it best. It’s not the same as google messages (thank god). It’s essentially an enhanced sms or sms 1.5.
Apple can port same features from iMessage to RCS to make them on par because RCS is expandable just like Google has done for RCS on Android. Make the implementation open for Google to adopt but your response is "No". Yet you are complaining that it is sms 1.5.

Features in Google messages
1. E2EE
2. Rich tapback with emojis, animations, full screen and reaction effects
3. Texting 911
4. Voice messages with voice mood tapbacks
5. Custom bubbles
6. Profiles
7. etc
You can do the bare minimum and I actually applaud apple for that shady way of saying f you to the eu. They can’t be faulted for not using RCS while literally using the most basic form.
Yes, let's applaud the trillion-dollar corporation for making the customer experience terrible. Because that makes sense to do as a customer.
I have sense turned RCS off my iPhone and I will be telling all my iPhone circle of friends to do the same and to tell their people to turn their RCS off.
You literally said you were never going to use it. I truly hope your circle of friends are smarter than that.
 
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Stop exaggerating, you hated RCS long before Apple implemented it. It is new for iOS and still being worked on by Apple with their mobile operator partners. It is actually more stable than I imagined it would be and from my experience works about 90% of the time.

You don't have to first send as sms. The way Apple has implemented the RCS registration system is not working properly, yet.

Just like iMessage. Mid conversation it switches back and forth. This conversation was last Wednesday with a friend via iMessage. RCS in contrast has been more stable for me than iMessage.
eV9yi43.jpeg



That is an Apple design issue that they can fix but just like their implementation of RCS they are doing the bare minimum.

Not true, the setting is there but I it doesn't work properly. Sometimes it attempts to send as SMS and sometimes it doesn't just like iMessage. Another Apple implementation issue that they need to fix.
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Apple needs to fix that.

It is not. There are lots of things Apple can implement using RCS tapbacks to make them on par with iMessage but it requires them actually being Pro consumer and working with Google but they won't.

RCS was a mess on Android prior to Google taking over the implementation.

Apple can port same features from iMessage to RCS to make them on par because RCS is expandable just like Google has done for RCS on Android. Make the implementation open for Google to adopt but your response is "No". Yet you are complaining that it is sms 1.5.

Features in Google messages
1. E2EE
2. Rich tapback with emojis, animations, full screen and reaction effects
3. Texting 911
4. Voice messages with voice mood tapbacks
5. Custom bubbles
6. Profiles
7. etc

Yes, let's applaud the trillion-dollar corporation for making the customer experience terrible. Because that makes sense to do as a customer.

You literally said you were never going to use it. I truly hope your circle of friends are smarter than that.
Thank you for your unbiased review about the current state of RCS support in iOS 18 beta. From everything I have seen so far, RCS is working fairly well for iPhone users. There are several reports of bugs, but that’s expected with beta software. As someone who uses an Android phone, RCS was a bit buggy at the start back in 2019, but it didn’t take long to become very reliable. The only way my RCS messages won’t go through is if my signal is so weak the data flow dies. I expect Apple’s implementation to be just as reliable as time goes on, but it takes time to fix bugs. By now the backend is robust with Jibe hosting most carriers, but the app will need some work. So far things are definitely looking promising.
 
Stop exaggerating, you hated RCS long before Apple implemented it.
You’re right. I have. It doesn’t mean I wasn’t going to try it. So your point is….

Someone asked experiences with RCS. Sorry I’m not an android fan or RCS fan So I’m not singing praises.

My experience is not an exaggeration. You’ll be okay.
It is new for iOS and still being worked on by Apple with their mobile operator partners. It is actually more stable than I imagined it would be and from my experience works about 90% of the time.
Whereas iMessage for me and sms has worked in tandem 100 percent of the time. When one isn’t working the other backs it up.
You don't have to first send as sms. The way Apple has implemented the RCS registration system is not working properly, yet.
Thank you for telling me what i have to do on my phone.

Yes when I texted my mom’s pixel it sent it as a RCS at first. When I texted my coworker it sent it as an sms first and then midway through it randomly switched to RCS.

Which is not shocking since RCS in android does the same thing.


Just like iMessage. Mid conversation it switches back and forth. This conversation was last Wednesday with a friend via iMessage. RCS in contrast has been more stable for me than iMessage.
Never had that experience. Only time is when I’m in a T-Mobile dead zone.
That is an Apple design issue that they can fix but just like their implementation of RCS they are doing the bare minimum.
As they should. They’ve already given their users a very stable and respected messaging platform.

Only a minority actually wants RCS.

Sometimes it attempts to send as SMS and sometimes it doesn't just like iMessage.
iMessage almost always falls back for me to sms when needed
actually being Pro consumer and working with Google but they won't.
More like taking a stance against governments being over aggressive and also realizing some of us don’t want google anything in our phone. I rather keep malware off my phone or have my data protected better where I’m not the product.

More importantly why on earth would apple want to give google even more control. It’s bad enough desktop browsers and search is built around google.
There are lots of things Apple can implement using RCS tapbacks to make them on par with iMessage
They have no reason to.
RCS was a mess on Android prior to Google taking over the implementation.
And again not everyone wants google. Which I’m glad. Google is terrible.
Yet you are complaining that it is sms 1.5.
I’m not complaining. I don’t care.
iMessage and sms is fine for me.

Features in Google messages
1. E2EE
2. Rich tapback with emojis, animations, full screen and reaction effects
3. Texting 911
4. Voice messages with voice mood tapbacks
5. Custom bubbles
6. Profiles
7. etc
Most of
The things we have with iMessage or we have already in existing cross platform messaging apps.

RCS is doing nothing special.
Yes, let's applaud the trillion-dollar corporation for making the customer experience terrible. Because that makes sense to do as a customer.
My experience and millions of others is great. More importantly any messaging needs I have have always been able to be fixed with whatever cross platform app I wanted to use.
You literally said you were never going to use it.
And my opinion can change. I used it. I hate it. It’s disabled. You’ll be okay.
I truly hope your circle of friends are smarter than that.
My friends trust me when it comes to tech but yes they are smart and seeing as they already use WhatsApp or other apps already RCS is nothing they are missing out on.

Anything else?

Sorry I’m not praising RCS/google/android. It’ll be okay.

If it makes you feel better, I almost would rather apple release iMessage to android and nerf it a bit than to implement anything google controlled for iOS.

Almost.
 
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My friend just got on the iOS 18 beta today and we’ve been using RCS and it’s working well. It’s so much nicer than SMS. It’s my first RCS chat with an iPhone.
 
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My friend just got on the iOS 18 beta today and we’ve been using RCS and it’s working well. It’s so much nicer than SMS. It’s my first RCS chat with an iPhone.
Right? I received a high-resolution picture from an Android phone, that alone makes it worth it. I turn off read receipts and can live without most of the tapback features but sending big files, high resolution photos and videos native in the messaging app is sweet.
 
Right? I received a high-resolution picture from an Android phone, that alone makes it worth it. I turn off read receipts and can live without most of the tapback features but sending big files, high resolution photos and videos native in the messaging app is sweet.
It flipped back and forth a couple times from SMS to RCS which seems to be a known bug at this time in the beta. It’ll only get better as it moves through the beta to the final release. It’s a new protocol for Apple so it might take until an 18.x release to be as stable and reliable as it is Android to Android, but I’d say they have a great start.
 
It’s wholly unreliable. As I expected.

You have to first send as sms usually because the phone doesn’t automatically read the number is RCS compatible.

Even then it will randomly switch between sms and RCS. This is why apple probably should have made a different color. It makes more sense to visually differentiate between sms and iMessage and RCS because I can just look at the color and tell how it’s sent. It’s how I knew that something was wrong iMessage the few weeks when that outage happened simply because the text was green.

When a message fails to send as RCS, unlike iMessage where it automatically switches over to sms, it doesn’t appear to do this for RCS. I sent a message to my mom and it failed and I had to manually go back in and hit send as sms. I can imagine how annoying that will be if I’m busy and I don’t notice it until later and the message never sent.

The Tapbacks and iMessage features are still far superior than RCS.

RCS on android has largely been a mess so I’m not shocked that it’s the same on iOS.

In short, RCS on iPhone is very basic. The verge said it best. It’s not the same as google messages (thank god). It’s essentially an enhanced sms or sms 1.5.

You can do the bare minimum and I actually applaud apple for that shady way of saying f you to the eu. They can’t be faulted for not using RCS while literally using the most basic form.

I have sense turned RCS off my iPhone and I will be telling all my iPhone circle of friends to do the same and to tell their people to turn their RCS off.
Thank you very much for summary. It’s probably why Apple was not in hurry as it still mature.
It was China not EU who pressed Apple and they would not mess with Chinese market.

I do not expect much from it then sending pics and videos or voice messages and files and then of course reliability. If it will be mess then it’s bummer but still much easier then persuade someone to install messenger of my preference to send him one time message or get out his/her email.

Ship is on the way and it may thrive or sink 😁
 
Okay so don’t use meta which most of the world seems to have no issue using (WhatsApp). Not wanting to use meta apps is a minority.

If I would like to belong to majority I could not be Mac user for 32 years in county where it used to have little to zero support 😁
If someone wants support devil empire it’s up to each but we can’t be then surprised who rule our digital space. And how and for who’s benefit.

If you don’t use it there is
1. Skype
2. Telegram
3. Kakao
4. Signal
5. Teams
6. Snapchat

There are cross platform options. That are still more useful and have been used than RCS. RCS is essentially overhyped because even with it in iOS now, it’s not going to make ppl switch to it over existing platforms.
I use Telegram heavily but for sending any media to random people or customers is still easier to use cumbersome RCS then persuade someone to install my preferred app.
 
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And again not everyone wants google. Which I’m glad. Google is terrible.

More like taking a stance against governments being over aggressive and also realizing some of us don’t want google anything in our phone. I rather keep malware off my phone or have my data protected better where I’m not the product.

More importantly why on earth would apple want to give google even more control. It’s bad enough desktop browsers and search is built around google.

I get you do not like Google. Yet, you are okay with meta? Both meta and Google are same.

For a person who don’t want tons of different IM apps, I am glad that RCS is coming to iPhone. Only other IM app is WeChat.
 
Thank you very much for summary. It’s probably why Apple was not in hurry as it still mature.
It was China not EU who pressed Apple and they would not mess with Chinese market.

I do not expect much from it then sending pics and videos or voice messages and files and then of course reliability. If it will be mess then it’s bummer but still much easier then persuade someone to install messenger of my preference to send him one time message or get out his/her email.

Ship is on the way and it may thrive or sink 😁
Nah that was the eu (since they were trying to gatekeep imessage)

I get you do not like Google. Yet, you are okay with meta? Both meta and Google are same.
No they aren’t.

The internet isn’t being wrapped around fb or meta. The internet is wrapped around google and they are unfortunately the standard.

Even worse, they are pushing google crap on kids in school. They aren’t pushing Meta.

I don’t have to necessarily use Facebook to communicate or get news. I can ONLY use YouTube as it is the only major video platform.

Facebook really only has direct access to my social media data which is not that terrible. Google however has its hands in far more areas.

So no they are not the same.
 
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As per usual. The fact like on android where it struggled to send RCS reliably, it switched back and forth with sms and RCS.

It has nothing to do with beta. RCS is just unreliable.
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Nah that was the eu (since they were trying to gatekeep imessage)


No they aren’t.

The internet isn’t being wrapped around fb or meta. The internet is wrapped around google and they are unfortunately the standard.

Even worse, they are pushing google crap on kids in school. They aren’t pushing Meta.

I don’t have to necessarily use Facebook to communicate or get news. I can ONLY use YouTube as it is the only major video platform.

Facebook really only has direct access to my social media data which is not that terrible. Google however has its hands in far more areas.

So no they are not the same.

Meta is collecting your data as much as Google. It isn't about who is bigger, they are doing the same thing. You can't say you don't like Google because they are collecting data, but you are okay with Facebook doing the same thing.

It is okay to not like certain corporation. if you don't like Google, then just admin it. Don't use excuses like Google is collecting data.

People like me, don't like to download bunch of IM apps find RCS is more than welcome change. In fact, now I can just switch between iOS and Android without worrying about losing RCS message.
 
As per usual. The fact like on android where it struggled to send RCS reliably, it switched back and forth with sms and RCS.

It has nothing to do with beta. RCS is just unreliable.View attachment 2398550ng

It has everything to do with beta. Although I have had Google messages fall back to SMS, but the frequency is much lower.

RCS is so unstable under iOS, it just switch to SMS out of nowhere. This just doesn't happy under Google Messages
 
Meta is collecting your data as much as Google. It isn't about who is bigger, they are doing the same thing. You can't say you don't like Google because they are collecting data, but you are okay with Facebook doing the same thing.

It is okay to not like certain corporation. if you don't like Google, then just admin it. Don't use excuses like Google is collecting data.

People like me, don't like to download bunch of IM apps find RCS is more than welcome change. In fact, now I can just switch between iOS and Android without worrying about losing RCS message.
How are your really sitting here trying to tell me which one is worse FOR me. like are you for real. That’s not for you to justify if my opinion and experience is valid because it’s not yours. They both collect data. Meta is less problematic than google.


I’m glad you’re a very vocal minority even though I didn’t ask about your experience. Majority of ppl already use multiple apps for different reasons. RCS is not going to change that.
 
How are your really sitting here trying to tell me which one is worse FOR me. like are you for real. That’s not for you to justify if my opinion and experience is valid because it’s not yours. They both collect data. Meta is less problematic than google.

They are the same. If you against collecting data and all in for protecting privacy, then you shouldn't use both. Otherwise, you are hypocritical.

I’m glad you’re a very vocal minority even though I didn’t ask about your experience. Majority of ppl already use multiple apps for different reasons. RCS is not going to change that.

I am sure mot people don't want different IM on their app, it wasn't buy most people's choice. There is reason why Google is default search engine, IE was the most used browser for longest time until Chrome.

If there is a way to communicate with people without too much limitation, people will use that.
 
It has everything to do with beta. Although I have had Google messages fall back to SMS, but the frequency is much lower.

RCS is so unstable under iOS, it just switch to SMS out of nowhere. This just doesn't happy under Google Messages
I own 2 galaxies and my mother uses a pixel. It’s just as unreliable and wonky on 🤖
 
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