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Really switching to Intel!!??

cosmicsoftceo what i was talkin about with the spywear and viruses is that the more market share the more chance there is for it to happen. Some people don't think that will be a factor but some do (like me)
 
Mac_Freak said:
Well, most consumer will have no idea of processor switch, only a hand full will. Not that many people know much about computer and hardware that is in it. If they like what they see, they buy, ohh a nice sales person also helps :D
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I doubt there will be many consumers willing to pay top dollars for a system that has been terminated. These customers buy dells...not macs
 
Dr.Gargoyle said:
Let me clarify.... I dont see could make this switch and survive as a computer company
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EXACTLY. I for one have only owned one Intel CPU and will never own one - be it PC or Mac.

If Apple does this, this is my last Apple and I'm going Linux on AMD64. And it's a shame as I love OSX, but I'm not running any Intel in my house.
 
Dr.Gargoyle said:
Let me clarify.... I dont see could make this switch and survive as a computer company
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Why not? Apple will still be shipping essentially the exact same thing. The OS will still run only on Apple-made computers, and Apple-made computers will probably only run Mac OS X even if they have x86 (until some hacker figures out a way to reflash/bypass the Mac ROM).

I see no reason this is any change in the Mac market. The only thing changing is the supplier of the chips.
 
Why not AMD?

I have no problem with Apple switching chip-sets but I am dissapointed to see that they've chosen Intel. Intel's run hot and have perfromance issues compared to similarily equipped AMD PCs.

Intel feeds the masses, and the masses are slow. If the masses endorse 32-bit programming for 32-bit processors, what was all that tough talk about 64-bit processing. Looks like we may be stuck with 32-bit processors for a while if we moved to Intel.

AMD, on the other hand, I wouldn't mind at all, but that's a long shot. :cool:
 
Macbidouille announced their take on this... and between them and TS, and a couple other sites...
Apple-Intel collaboration: another rumor.... - Lionel - 20:05:24
Source : Reuters

One of our reader has sent us this disturbing news published by Reuters.

Reuters is mentioning Cnet as the source of this information, and as a result reports that Steve Jobs should announce on Monday June 6th during the WWDC Keynote, the reverse "switch" of Apple's computer from PowerPC to x86 processors. Such transition should progress stepwise, starting from entry-level models to end-up with PowerMacG5 in 2007.

This report is disturbing on several points:

- it is entirely based on a rumor, something quite unusual for such a news network.

- if the best place for such announcement is indeed the WWDC, but it would be surprising that Apple announces such a turn which could be synonyms of a short-term suicide. Indeed, with such a migration plan, it would immediately kill sales for PMG5 up to their migration to x86-based processor. In other words, knowing that high end models are the most profitable ones for Apple, such a move would be financially dangerous for Apple. Even though with the current success of the iPod/iTMS couple, Apple can not take this risk, both on the business and financial aspects.

- now why starting with low end models? The main complain of Apple vs. IBM is its delay to release faster G5/970-97x. So far every technology revolution has always started from the top, the high-end model, and then applied to lower end models.

- to conclude, the choice of IBM by Sony, Microsoft and even Nintendo for the processor which will power their respective next generation game console proves that the Power technology has a bright future. Quitting the current Power revolution would for sure be a humongous mistake if Apple decides to go for x86, and an unusual lake of vision from Steve Jobs.

While waiting for Monday's keynote, this rumor will for sure stimulate Mac-dedicated forums over the world.
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This story basically doesn't smell like Apple's current normal method of operation.

Sure the Mac Mini and Shuffle were a shakeup, but this really guts years of secrecy they have strived to keep in order to stabilize their sales and stock.
 
Threads like this are what give us Apple freaks a bad name.

The brand of chip inside your machine will really make you leave OS X? I think you should probably re-evaluate your life. No offense, of course.

Don't be a blind fanboy. Enjoy OS X.
 
runninmac said:
On the good side... Im an apple share holder so it will shoot up. :D

On the bad side......... There could be MANY viruses/spywear becuase of that and that would SUCK :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Well done on the Apple stock purchase! With regards to more virus/worms etc if Apple move to Intel. Surely a chip move would not mean Apple would also be able to run Windows apps without any further work by a Windows developer to rewrite the code for Apple OS Tiger(i)? After all do Windows worms run on Linux for x86/ Maybe I'm missing something here, but the OS Kernal and interperter have something to do with running code do they not? If I'm right, then your concerns about reduced security are misguided, Even if I;m wrong, then your stock will rise even further because overnight, Apple would b able to run on every PC on the planet...Now what would that do to the stock price. But I don't think so!
 
macuser05 said:
You've obviously never seen how Dell cuts corners. I've seen them ship P4's (early models that sucked power) with 250 watt power supplies. How it ended up in my shop was that the user added a CD Burner (Hard drive + CD-ROM + Burner) and toasted the power supply.

Dell loves to cut corners on stuff like this.
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I have a precision 470 with dual xeons, which theoretically uses much less power together than the original post's number. It has a 450 watt power supply. They didn't leave the Precision 380 with 65 watts of buffer after the CPU and the Precision 470 with 250 watts of buffer.

Go here, power consumption of the Pentium D was actually measured instead of pulled out of poster's rear.

http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/pentium-xe-840/index.x?pg=16

It's not low power by any stretch of the imagination, but only pulls 292 watts from the wall for the entire system at full load. Which is actually just a hair less than what a dual 2.0ghz pulls under full load as measured here.

http://www.androidslibrary.com/archives/000032.html
 
fpnc said:
They didn't just report on the CNET story, it looks like WSJ got confirmation from their own sources. Of course, the WSJ source could be wrong too, but the WSJ report and a few other items have convinced me (well, almost) that the switch to x86 is going to happen.
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it doesnt say theyre switching to x86 they said they are switching to intel. wow maybe intel can make something other than x86.
 
It's already a HUGE publicty this rumor, I already found 4 european game & PC News sites where this is top news. Also in pc magazines you read a lot aboout mac's these days. So Intel or AMD or IBM , GO APPLE GO everybody talks about you! :)
 
runninmac said:
cosmicsoftceo what i was talkin about with the spywear and viruses is that the more market share the more chance there is for it to happen. Some people don't think that will be a factor but some do (like me)
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I don't. Even if Apple switches to Intel, most likely their computers will still cost the exact same amount and be in the same packages. The only difference to the end-user is that the chip is made by Intel instead of IBM (and will therefore be quite a bit faster, supposing Intel comes through--which they must be, for Apple to do this deal). Apple will never release Mac OS X as a boxed product for regular PCs. I see little possibility for dramatic marketshare growth.
 
fpnc said:
They didn't just report on the CNET story, it looks like WSJ got confirmation from their own sources. Of course, the WSJ source could be wrong too, but the WSJ report and a few other items have convinced me (well, almost) that the switch to x86 is going to happen.
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Yes, and one very possible scenario is that C|Net and WSJ contacted the same normally reliable source. It's still not at all impossible that Apple are trolling.
 
proglife said:
The brand of chip inside your machine will really make you leave OS X? I think you should probably re-evaluate your life. No offense, of course.

Don't be a blind fanboy. Enjoy OS X.
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The thing that kept me on WinAMD for so long was that I could run on an AMD chip. I work on Intel crapola all day and see how it's inferior to what AMD has been making for years.

I'd rather Apple went with AMD - that would be AWESOME! They have the technology, reliability, and performance!
 
cosmicsoftceo said:
Why not? Apple will still be shipping essentially the exact same thing. The OS will still run only on Apple-made computers, and Apple-made computers will probably only run Mac OS X even if they have x86 (until some hacker figures out a way to reflash/bypass the Mac ROM).

I see no reason this is any change in the Mac market. The only thing changing is the supplier of the chips.
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An Intel PPC would work, but not a x86. Apple would kill of all sales for two years and since the marketshare isnt that impressive today....do the math.
 
Holy f'in crap. Hell has seriously this time broken loose. I mean iTunes for windows was enough. This is pure insanity.
 
cosmicsoftceo said:
No there won't. This is WWDC; the audience is developers, not Mac fans. Developers won't be pleased, but they're not going to boo Steve. Heck, many of them will be happy--a major frustration with Apple has been unwillingness to work on the perception of the Mac's speed as inferior (which it is, in many cases).
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Okay, that may be your opinion but I've attended WWDC many times and I suspect there will be mostly stunned silence, a good deal of respect and attention, and a few ughs and exclamations of no! and maybe even one or two boos. There isn't going to be a round of applause and "way to go!"
 
macinfojunkie said:
Even if I;m wrong, then your stock will rise even further because overnight, Apple would b able to run on every PC on the planet...Now what would that do to the stock price.
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It would send it into a bottomless fall. If Apple released Mac OS X as a commodity product, their hardware would be dead. Bye-bye Apple Computer, hello Apple iPod-maker; that's all they'd have left.
 
ewinemiller said:
I have a precision 470 with dual xeons, which theoretically uses much less power together than the original post's number. It has a 450 watt power supply. They didn't leave the Precision 380 with 65 watts of buffer after the CPU and the Precision 470 with 250 watts of buffer.
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Precision = Dell's lame attempt to build a quality workstation and they usually are more expensive than "real" workstations than Sun, IBM, etc.

The rest are the consumer garbage where they cut TONS of corners. (So many the boxes are not round! :)
 
zoltamatron said:
Tablet! Tablet! Tablet!

What about an Intel based OSX running tablet computer? What better way to enter a new processor architecture than with a completely new form factor? This wouldn't be something that people would have to migrate to, but would add into their digital lives.

-z
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This just in....

TABLET MARKET STILL UGLY AND DYING.
 
I Knew I Should Have Waited

mad jew said:
And I just bought a iMac. I knew I shouldn't have chosen an all-in-one. :(
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I just ordered a new 2 x 2.7 PM a few days ago. It hasn't shipped yet...if a switch to Intel CPUs is made at WWDC, I might cancel the order. I'd hate to spend $4K on a system when the architecture itself is being dumped.
 
fpnc said:
Okay, that may be your opinion but I've attended WWDC many times and I suspect there will be mostly stunned silence, a good deal of respect and attention, and a few ughs and exclamations of no! and maybe even one or two boos. There isn't going to be a round of applause and "way to go!"
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I agree with you. I don't agree with the original poster, who said there will be "vocal disagreement".

And the way this story is getting out, you might have to remove the "stunned" from your post ;)
 
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