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Really switching to Intel!!??

it is more reasonable i believe that Intel may be developing a PPC Centrino derivative to drive the next generation mobiles for Apple.

Alienating a big player like IBM at the stage of the chip wars would be devastating to Apple especially now that IBM is making such headway with PPC.

On the topic of x86 OS X.... absolute rubbish. Apple and the legion of developers have too much invested in the Power architecture to have to recompile all its software. Not a chance.

My 3 cents
 
What About PPC Resale Values?

I don't care if my computer is powered by PPC, Intel or hopped up hamsters...as long as it runs OSX, runs as fast or faster than a PC with video apps and doesn't expose us to the PC world's security issues.

I will need a new G5 this year and was hoping to hold out for dual core. I can't hold off 2 years for an Intel Mac. I may decide though to buy a lower end desktop or a refurb G5 and save a few bucks knowing I'll have to buy another machine in 2 years along with a boatload of reworked software.

Two things concern me: The resale value of old Power PC gear. Either the market will dry up, or the PPC holdouts will wildly drive up their EBay prices trying to hold on to their legacy software.

Also, does PPC software become the Classic apps of the future. There needs to be a fairly robust emulation structure to keep access to PPC mac software.

The wild card is whether an Intel Mac would allow emulation of Windows software a la Classic. The real barrier to switching to Mac isn't hardware, it's maintaining access to PC-only apps used at the office and the vast stockpile of games the kids want. If they could pull that off, that's when hardware sales could really take off for Apple again.
 
bryanc said:
The pressure from rumourmongers (like us) on Apple in the days leading up to these sorts of events is enormous. And Steve hates it when his surprises are ruined. Still, it's good to have the rumour mill buzzing before the Keynote.

So I think this has been intentionally leaked to 'stir the pot' and keep us all distracted for a couple more days. That way, when The Steve unveils the new PowerBook G5, or whatever it is he's got up his sleeve, we'll all be surprised and in awe of the RDF.

He's not only a damn fine CEO, he's a showman, and this is how he creates drama.

I'm not saying we should forget about the AppleTel rumour, or stop discussing it, but try to keep some perspective.

Cheers
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Sounds like some people are waking up. Third mirror of earlier posts. Yes!!
 
kakophony said:
P.S. I am a regular user of this forums, but she personally asked me to create a fresh and clean account just to post this message. She doesn't want any chances to get "caught" in leaking this. Obviously, she might even not be a "she". ;) I hope you understand. :)
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So are you say She might be an IT? Like Cousin IT? As in IT, as in internal trouble. As in in.... maybe that was to much.
 
beerstine said:
I don't care if my computer is powered by PPC, Intel or hopped up hamsters...as long as it runs OSX, runs as fast or faster than a PC with video apps and doesn't expose us to the PC world's security issues.

I will need a new G5 this year and was hoping to hold out for dual core. I can't hold off 2 years for an Intel Mac. I may decide though to buy a lower end desktop or a refurb G5 and save a few bucks knowing I'll have to buy another machine in 2 years along with a boatload of reworked software.

Two things concern me: The resale value of old Power PC gear. Either the market will dry up, or the PPC holdouts will wildly drive up their EBay prices trying to hold on to their legacy software.

Also, does PPC software become the Classic apps of the future. There needs to be a fairly robust emulation structure to keep access to PPC mac software.

The wild card is whether an Intel Mac would allow emulation of Windows software a la Classic. The real barrier to switching to Mac isn't hardware, it's maintaining access to PC-only apps used at the office and the vast stockpile of games the kids want. If they could pull that off, that's when hardware sales could really take off for Apple again.
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What you say makes a lot of sence. It's not the chip, but the end user experience that counts. So lets net get hung up on the processor manufacturer, but concentrate on what the Tiger can do. ou think ia Tiger in a zoo is any less capable of ripping you to shreds than a Tiger in the Wild? LOL. There is a reason Apple has done so well since Steve came back to the fold. Trust him he knows what he's doing.
 
wdlove said:
Chances are Intel will develop a new logo for its partnership with Apple. The logo will probably be developed under the direction of Steve. Or then again there could be a no logo at all agreement. Fun times ahead.
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Look at Steve's history. He will never jump into bed with someone he can't control. Moto has no logo on Apples. IBM has no logos on Apples. And neither will Intel as long as Steve is at the helm of Apple.
 
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Some things never change.

Oh wait. They might. :D
 
bigwreck said:
Anyone think that Apple is just talking to Intel to support bringing its line of Prosumer apps to the x86 market and not the OS ?
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There's an intelligent sounding possibility.
 
Apple OS X Not Ready for Prime Time

I really like Apple's OS X operating system. It's robust, elegant, user friendly and aesthetically pleasing to the eye. In many ways OS X is quite superior to Windows, no doubt in my mind. I'm a long time Mac user and will probably remain so for the foreseeable future.

However, OS X is not yet ready to fill the shoes of Microsoft's Windows. The main reason for this is the utter lack of business software. Apple used to be a leader in building application software, with it's Claris division. For some reason they let that fall to the wayside. Don't get me wrong, their iPhoto, iDVD, iCal apps are excellent - for personal use. But Apple has nothing to show in the way of industrial-strength applications like Windows does. Where are the client network programs that allow you to log on to IBM mainframe and Unix servers? Where are the data base apps? Is Mail the equivalent of MS Outlook? They don't even have a decent word proccesing program - I had to shell out $400 for Microsoft Office Professional.

Maybe this is the proverbial chicken and egg problem. Apple can't hope to get competitive market share for it's OS until it has a suite of mature, well-integrated business apps like Microsoft has. Somewhere, in a galaxy far, far away and long ago Apple dropped the ball. I would like to see Apple able to begin to attract the system/application software development and support that Windows enjoys.

Another issue for me is that Apple has really lousy customer service policies. With Microsoft if I email them concerning a question, someone actually responds with a personal email. When you send mail to the Apple blackhole website, you might as well forget about ever hearing anything back, unless maybe you have paid for a .Mac membership. Even Hewlitt-Packard provides customer service and technical support that is far superior to Apple's customer-hostile practices.

If OS X is migrated to the Intel chip, it would be the first in a long series of steps Apple needs to make in order to begin to claim some of Microsoft's customer base, assuming that is Steve Jobs' strategy in the first place.
 
INTEL PPC?

Dippo said:
I am sure that Intel can make some PPC processors.

So there, the problem is solved!
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From what I understand Intel does not own the rights to produce the PPC processor. Nor is it worth their time to purchase them.
 
Stella said:
The majority of users don't buy Apple because of the processor, they buy because of several reasons:

* the OS
* software
* nice looking machines
etc etc

They don't buy it because of the processor family that is, PPC .

If Apple had a Intel and PPC boxes running along side each other, you wouldn't know the difference.
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Exactly!! I love when others think like me. :D Then again ... not so sure that is a good thing. LOL
 
gedto said:
Update:


"CNET on Friday reported that Apple would announce the transition plan June 6. It reported that Apple would move lower-end computers such as the Mac Mini to Intel chips in mid-2006 and higher-end models such as the Power Mac in mid-2007. An industry executive familiar with the matter, contacted Saturday, verified that schedule."

Source: The Wall Street Journal - http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB111791696757050994,00.html?mod=rss_whats_news_technology (paid subscription required)
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Post the whole story... please
 
They are stepping up to the plate

In my view, if this is what Apple needs to do to grow out of the 3-5% market share niche, then more power to them. Somebody needs to step up and go head to head with Microsoft. Is Linux doing it? Perhaps on the server side, but on desktops it has been found wanting.

Apple now has the best desktop operating system on the planet and they know it. I think this is part of an even bigger plan to reclaim the desktop. Adopting Intel chip technology will allow them to lower prices and get Tiger in the hands of more users. With more users come more developers. With developers comes market share.

This will be good news to me if it is actually true.
 
Dr.Gargoyle said:
...so the "new" chips would go into the consumer products in 2006 and into the proline 2007. Wouldnt that mean the iBook becomming much faster than the PB. The eMac faster than the iMac....

the only reason to get new chips would be if they are faster... Since the diff between iBook and PM is very very small now how could you put a faster chip into an iBook without killing off all PB sales?
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No PC CARD, No Dual Screen, More limited RAM, limited graphics card, no FW 800, no big screens, more limited bandwidth.

I for one will wait.... If that means I am stuck with my 1.25G 15" Albook... then that will be
 
runninmac said:
On the good side... Im an apple share holder so it will shoot up. :D

On the bad side......... There could be MANY viruses/spywear becuase of that and that would SUCK :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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AGAIN, I guess I have to say ... Viruses attack SOFTWARE, not HARDWARE!! The only potential virus increase issue will come from a huge growth in Apple marketshare when the idiots writing the viruses feel they can affect / infect more users.
 
Caudor said:
In my view, if this is what Apple needs to do to grow out of the 3-5% market share niche, then more power to them. Somebody needs to step up and go head to head with Microsoft. Is Linux doing it? Perhaps on the server side, but on desktops it has been found wanting.

Apple now has the best desktop operating system on the planet and they know it. I think this is part of an even bigger plan to reclaim the desktop. Adopting Intel chip technology will allow them to lower prices and get Tiger in the hands of more users. With more users come more developers. With developers comes market share.

This will be good news to me if it is actually true.
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Apple's current global share is hovering around the 1.8/2.0% mark. I remember the days they were coplaining about 4/5%!!!!! You're right this move would see them regain a market share they had 8 years ago. What I want to see is a strategy that will get them up to 10%.
 
bellis1 said:
Now I won't have to buy a new computer for at least two years. Glad I already feel cozy with my current ibook and imac setup. Their computer sales are going to tank over the next two years. Anyone want to sell me some shares in the coming months?
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Guess you haven't paid much attention to Steve Jobs over the past few years. He KNOWS how to run a business better than most anyone. The ones who complain about him are the ones who just aren't happy that their personal preferences are not on his agenda. He know business, knows how to make money, and knows what he wants from the future of his company, regardless of whether it agrees with the rest of the world. He brought Apple back from the dead and will keep it there as long as he wants to run it. JMO
 
LaMerVipere said:
I really don't believe what I'm hearing from so many of you about Apple talking Intel into producing a PPC chip.

Intel would never invest the huge amount of capital needed for something like that. They'd have to spend money on research, fabrication, etc... And for what? Apple isn't a big enough customer to justify all that.

It's x86 or bust.
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What if Microsoft is switching to PPC???? <let's start a NEW rumor within a rumor> :D
 
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