Really switching to Intel!!??

[sord]

Read this...

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/new...1_N23218517_RTRIDST_0_TECH-APPLE-INTEL-DC.XML

Apple always has a lot of projects in the works and could be evaluating Intel chips for use in future products, Bajarin said, adding that when Apple co-founder and chief executive Steve Jobs was asked Sunday night at a Wall Street Journal technology conference whether Apple would use Intel chips, "Jobs basically said no."

"He said, 'We've had talks with Intel' and that's about it," Bajarin said.

So we can all now assume Steve is a LIAR!!!!!!!

Everyone lies at one point in their lives. Jobs is still my hero even if he did lie. Now if he moves to x86 then screw him but lets just hope its a faulty rumor.

USELESS comment #1271 - lets just wait until Monday

 

[macridah]

How many times does apple have to make hell freeze over?

This makes no sense what so ever. Maybe it's for some new hardware ... not any of the laptops, iMacs or powerbooks. Tablet PC or handheld?

 

[Mr Maui]

I usually just start off by cutting+pasting the post(s) I want to quote, then reply to the final one. I'll reply to it, then use

tags to quote the rest that I want to mention. Just keeps thing a little neater. But yes, there are times when I quote a couple in a row as well.

Thanks Shard, I finally figured it out ... see several posts since. I'm not as dumb as I look. LOL

 

[MegaSignal]

Some of you folks act as this is the end of the world. Who cares if Tiger runs on an IBM chipset or an Intel chipset?

As long as it is still stable and performs to the standards that were set before the switch. . .

So - will it be just as stable and perform as well?

 

[VanNess]

I really hope that Steve makes Mac OS X run on any and all x86 hardware, selling Mac hardware on the quality factor -just like iPods sell. I love Macs and want to be able to build systems running OS X. Look at interest in Pear PC, etc. There's clearly demand. The Darwin kernel has been supported for x86 since day 1, make no mistake - there's a reason for this.

I don't think you understand what Apple is about. They build tightly integrated, well-designed hardware and software solutions. Their target market are the folks who want something that they can unpack, plug in, and it "just works." Apple isn't a company for geeks who want to componentize CPU boxes. They aren't, never have been, and never will be a box builder's company.

Other companies are better suited than Apple for that.

 

[Agathon]

CONSPIRACY!!!

Apple leaked the Shuffle and stuff to TS just so it could sue them and make it so afraid that it would keep quiet about the real big news!!!!!

But that would be insane...

 

[Caudor]

MS reputation has NEVER been lower, Apple's (and especially OS X's) and never been HIGHER. Tiger was voted 3rd best PC product of the year by PC World magazine out of the top 100 (Firefox was #1, google #2). Everyone with a PC aound me keep asking me questions about Tiger because every PC magazine gave it astounding reviews. There has NEVER been a better time for Apple to strike back and regain it's market share.

I agree. If the rumor is true...this is all about taking back Apple's market share. If somebody is going to go toe to toe with Microsoft, Apple is the one best positioned to do it with this strategy. Doing nothing only guarantees the status quo (or worse).

Now is the time to strike. Focus all fire power on that Superstar Destroyer!

 

[evilbert420]

Well Wall Street Journal and ZDNet are reporting it too... ZDnet has a few stories on it.

 

[cmkrnl]

I'm no engineer and no very little about the ins and outs of computer architecture (so please don't flame me - too much!), but would it be possible for Apple to use both a PPC chip and an X86 chip together in their models? The idea being that the PPC runs OSX and existing Mac apps, while the X86 takes care of Windows apps - somehow without the need for Windows... This is probably fantasy and completely out of the question, but just thought I'd ask.

There are extreme power and space limitations in small form factor devices, like iBook, PowerBook, iMac, etc. Trying to incorporate 2 different CPU architectures, along with their supporting chipsets, does not seem feasible. Heck, they can't even get a single G5 into the PowerBook.

 

[MacIke]

I really hope that Steve makes Mac OS X run on any and all x86 hardware, selling Mac hardware on the quality factor -just like iPods sell. I love Macs and want to be able to build systems running OS X. Look at interest in Pear PC, etc. There's clearly demand. The Darwin kernel has been supported for x86 since day 1, make no mistake - there's a reason for this. Emulation will be offered for existing programs, developers will get adequate notice, and remember that most software on MacOS X now is ported from x86 to begin with. It won't be a difficult transition.

It wouldn't surprise me if Steve locks down OS X to Apple hardware, they do now - it won't run on non-Apple PPC boxes. If Apple chooses not to lock down OS X, I can EASILY see Mac OS X with 50% OS market share within two years, and I can see Windows as a 5% market share deal not too long after. Apple is in a wonderful position to ruin Microsoft, they're the only company in a position to do so - if they execute it well.

Even if Apple locks down the OS to certain hardware, I expect to see licensed OS X non-Apple hardware - most likely from Sony. And no matter what, if Apple goes OS X you can bet on more OS X software - porting to OS X will be easier than it is now.

Good post. I agree Apple can strike a real blow as MS

 

[jiggie2g]

I'm now remember Intel CEO CEO Paul Otellini has told consumers: "buy a Mac if you want to avoid security risks". only a few weeks ago. "Hint Hint"

 

[springdaddy]

So - will it be just as stable and perform as well?

I'm sure it will...Apple wouldn't do us dirtly like that.

 

[Fender]

I don't think you understand what Apple is about. They build tightly integrated, well-designed hardware and software solutions. Their target market are the folks who want something that they can unpack, plug in, and it "just works." Apple isn't a company for geeks who want to componentize CPU boxes. They aren't, never have been, and never will be a box builder's company.

I completely agree with that. And that's what they should remain, with or without IBM/Intel/whoever. Hardware, software, OS all working together flawlessly.

 

[MegaSignal]

I'm sure it will...Apple wouldn't do us dirtly like that.

I certainly hope so!

With regard to this rumor - after reading most of the posts - obviously something's going to happen between Apple and Intel, however, I strongly believe it will have nothing to do with x86 architecture at all. None. Nothing.

You can bank on it!

 

[jiggie2g]

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT OL BILLY GATES FACE LOOKED LIKE WHEN HE SAW THIS.

 

[sord]

I completely agree with that. And that's what they should remain, with or without IBM/Intel/whoever. Hardware, software, OS all working together flawlessly.

Yes Apple is definatelly very loving with design. Also Apple wouldn't switch to Intel just so someone can say my number (GHz) is higher than yours. Dual 2.7GHz PPC is a hell of a lot of juice, a lot more than a 3.6GHz Pentium. Also, when it comes to the Apple isn't at 3GHz crowd, I'm curious how many of them actually have the highest end PowerMac, and how many of them actually need something that fast - especially with dual cores or quad processors coming along (see the latest CHUD (or I think it is CHUD that now shows 4 processor spots in its list instead of 2))

 

[Lancetx]

The country's future will not be dictated by Intel vs. PPC. JMO

No, but it might be dictated by M$ vs Mac OS X. Our computing productivity depends upon Apple coming out on top in the end, no matter which company's CPU they may be using.

 

[Bradley W]

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[sord]

OVER 100,000 people have viewed this thread... oh wait, that was just me hitting "refresh"

Heh yea I've been refreshing at least once a minute. Also, I had 75 posts before this thread so I think I have around 20 or so in this thread alone.
EDIT: 21 at the time of this writing

 

[nagromme]

Liar?

Read this...

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/new...1_N23218517_RTRIDST_0_TECH-APPLE-INTEL-DC.XML

Apple always has a lot of projects in the works and could be evaluating Intel chips for use in future products, Bajarin said, adding that when Apple co-founder and chief executive Steve Jobs was asked Sunday night at a Wall Street Journal technology conference whether Apple would use Intel chips, "Jobs basically said no."

"He said, 'We've had talks with Intel' and that's about it," Bajarin said.

So we can all now assume Steve is a LIAR!!!!!!!

How is "We've had talks with Intel" a lie? Steve didn't say where the talks went.

 

[Fender]

OVER 100,000 people have viewed this thread... oh wait, that was just me hitting "refresh"

Sadly, it's the same 15 people who keep refreshing.

 

[dongmin]

Apple, however, likely has some say in the production, and Steve Jobs likely worked out some contractual agreements with Moto / IBM to allow others to produce the chips if they could not meet Apples demands / deadlines. See link to anonymous post a few posts back. Stevie is a VERY SMART businessman.

Steve may be a good businessman but he's a terrible gambler. He bet the farm on Motorola and lost. Then he bet the farm on IBM and looks to have lost. Hopefully, third time's the charm.

 

[MegaSignal]

Steve may be a good businessman but he's a terrible gambler. He bet the farm on Motorola and lost. Then he bet the farm on IBM and looks to have lost. Hopefully, third time's the charm.

Sheesh! Is it really that simple? I worry that shifting major gears like this too often is no good for the company.

Remember how good it felt when it was first announced that the G5s would have IBM CPUs? Why does it feel so rotten and ugly this time? Normally I confine my "feelings" outside of my computing world of 1s and 0s, but my "hunch"/"gut feeling" is telling me that this is just plain lousy.

 

[dicklacara]

Were IBM processors shipping back when Steve jobs announced that Apple was switching from Motorola? I don't recall that being the case. I believe the announcement said they would be using IBM for their next generation chips, but that Motorola would also continue to be used during the transition. Moto is still used to this date.{/QUOTE]

it's called compatibility... logical progression

Mac sales did not stop in the aforementioned Motorola to IBM scenario, what makes you think they would stop this time?

it's called incompatibility... illogical progression

SJ has been working diligently to stop any such leaks from making it out of Apple inner circles with lawsuits (i.e. Think Secret), though I concur that it would be tough to keep it under wraps, thus this possible leak of information.

Yeah, sure!

Steve's "obligation" to shareholders is to keep them happy by making them lots and lots of money. He is successfully doing that. Shareholders (real ones)

like me...

don't care what methods he uses to make them money. He can't be sued or go to prison for not informing shareholders in advance that he is changing the direction of the company to continue to make them money.

with all due respect, you are out of your element, here!

His track record speaks for itself. He brought Apple back from the dead and has made a lot of investors a lot of money with his judgement and decision-making. I, as a loyal Apple customer and Mac user, hated the fact that he spent so much time and money growing the iPod and iTunes markets and seemed to have lost sight of the market that made his company, but as an investor in Apple stock, his judgement in these areas has made me plenty, and I'll continue to trust his judgement with Apple until he shows he can no longer handle the job. Just my opinion.

And a wrong one, at that!

 

[Mr Maui]

Steve may be a good businessman but he's a terrible gambler. He bet the farm on Motorola and lost. Then he bet the farm on IBM and looks to have lost. Hopefully, third time's the charm.

I wouldn't personally say he "lost". He trusted that the promises from Moto and IBM would be kept. Neither Steve, nor Apple are producing the chips. They are relying on the promises of the others to produce the volumes and levels they need. These promises from vendors have fallen short, so Steve is willing to take his lumps and move to someone else to try to rectify the situation and I respect that about him. He's all about growing his company and making his customers happy. True, he won't please all the people, all of the time, but he has had huge hits with the Powerbook G4 designs, the iBook, the iMac, the Mac Mini, the iPod family, and most especially in my opinion, OSX!!