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Virus and Mac

A virus runs on software not hardware. MAcs are mostly immune. I know there is the talk of market share.

Which would you rather be? The person to create 900,384th virus for Windows, or the first to create one for the Macintosh.

The mac did have viruii many years ago.
 
Mr Maui said:
I wouldn't personally say he "lost". He trusted that the promises from Moto and IBM would be kept. Neither Steve, nor Apple are producing the chips. They are relying on the promises of the others to produce the volumes and levels they need. These promises from vendors have fallen short, so Steve is willing to take his lumps and move to someone else to try to rectify the situation and I respect that about him. He's all about growing his company and making his customers happy. True, he won't please all the people, all of the time, but he has had huge hits with the Powerbook G4 designs, the iBook, the iMac, the Mac Mini, the iPod family, and most especially in my opinion, OSX!!

Yeah technically if he "bet the farm and lost" there would be no Apple anymore. We're not at that point yet.
 
dicklacara said:
with all due respect, you are out of your element, here!

And a wrong one, at that!
We'll simply agree to disagree, You have your opinions ... I have mine. I haven't judged yours as right or wrong as you have done with mine, but that's what makes me who I am. I recognize that others have a right to their opinions. Have a blessed one. :)
 
I have done it

I have read the majority of the 53 pages of comments. Talk about needing a life.

I am going to bed now. THere is about 36 hours till the Keynote.

Talk about hype for the WWDC conferance.


My bets: Apple will make a closed INTEL x86 Mac.
Secondary: Apple will make INTEL Macs and also have HP or SONY make them also.

If the second is correct... Apple will finally, finally be in the position to take out a large chunk of MS in matter of months and will be the story of the year right behind Bill Gates resigning and going home.

Bottom line: I trust Steve and what he wants to do for the long term viability of the company.

I do not care what chipset my Mac runs as long as it runs like it does now. Perfect, flawless, without error as my Mac does today.

Apple has done this several times. The only problem is the marketing in the SHORT term. I would not be surpried to have the first of these within the end of the year.

Good Night
 
swheeler said:
Yeah technically if he "bet the farm and lost" there would be no Apple anymore. We're not at that point yet.
And with $6.5 billion in cash and a booming iPod / iTunes business, will likely not get there for quite some time to come.
 
Mr Maui said:
I wouldn't personally say he "lost". He trusted that the promises from Moto and IBM would be kept. Neither Steve, nor Apple are producing the chips. They are relying on the promises of the others to produce the volumes and levels they need. These promises from vendors have fallen short, so Steve is willing to take his lumps and move to someone else to try to rectify the situation and I respect that about him. He's all about growing his company and making his customers happy. True, he won't please all the people, all of the time, but he has had huge hits with the Powerbook G4 designs, the iBook, the iMac, the Mac Mini, the iPod family, and most especially in my opinion, OSX!!

I agree with almost all of this... especially the OS X part.. nothing on the desktop comes close or will for for over 1 year (or more)

The fact that we are even talking about Steve or Apple means that he won, rather than lost.

Paraphrasing Momma Cass Eliot "Longing glances [at Intel] won't getcha' where you want to go!"

Dick
 
I don't at all mind the idea of Sony or HP re-branded Macs--just like the iPod. It's not cloning. Still made by Apple, but sold in a new way and reaching different users. I might not run out and buy one, but it sounds good for Apple. Now, good for Sony and HP? That I can't say.
 
i used to think it would really suck if apple made it so any computer could run osx(except dell i just dont like them for some reason) but the more i think about it making osx on x86 id really the only way the downfall of microsoft could happen....i dunno i still have mixed emotions about all of this......1 more day...
 
I've just noticed that MacMinute (one of the websites paid off by Apple before WWDC) has not made a mention of the Intel news, even though they have updated yesterday and today.
 
Fender said:
I've just noticed that MacMinute (one of the websites paid off by Apple before WWDC) has not made a mention of the Intel news, even though they have updated yesterday and today.

Yeah, this rumor is a one-trick pony!

Dick
 
Dr.Gargoyle said:
Let me clarify.... I dont see could make this switch and survive as a computer company
Thanks for that bit of glass-half-empty overreaction.

Apple will be fine. Apple has survived many platform changes before. They survived through the Motorola G4 fiascos. And they survived the last two years with basically zero help from IBM (thanks IBM for introducing liquid cooling to Macs!).

Steve is not gonna make this switch unless he has a solid transition strategy in place already. I'm sure he has already been talking to the major developers (Adobe, Msoft, Quark) to make sure they're on board. Steve is such a great salesman that he'll make this switch sound like a piece of cake.

And I'm sure Apple has been working on the emulation tools to make sure current Macs will not become obsolete. Apple will continue to make Tiger and all Mac apps for both platforms. Most consumers rely on Apple's apps for most of their activity. The difficulty will be in getting small niche developers to support both platforms, and the customers of these niche markets will suffer. But I think Apple can do a lot to help them out.

To me, the near-term will be difficult, but the upside is much greater. No longer will Apple hardware be inferior or more expensive. Apple will finally be playing at an equal playing field, in terms of hardware. In the long run, I think this move will attract more developers since now there is more potential to grow the marketshare.
 
nagromme said:
I don't at all mind the idea of Sony or HP re-branded Macs--just like the iPod. It's not cloning. Still made by Apple, but sold in a new way and reaching different users. I might not run out and buy one, but it sounds good for Apple. Now, good for Sony and HP? That I can't say.


When apple licensed clones those clone manufacturers made some of the best macs out at the time. They gave people what they wanted. Dual processors, faster cd drives, expansion, nicer cases. It was a sad day when apple yanked their licenses. This could be the dawn of the macintosh 75% market share. I can't wait to see it happen. If it fails, I still have my powerbook with all the apps I need so no biggie.
 
Chip Type

With all of this excitement, this thread has veered from technical focus.

What chip do you think Apple WILL use? There are several choices, including the Pentium M, Pentium D, Pentium Extreme Edition, and Pentium 4/P4 Extreme Edition. And that's not to mention the Itaniums.


Also, which of these chips are 64 bit (like the G5)? I know the Itanium is, but I heard some others support it.
 
Dr. No said:
With all of this excitement, this thread has veered from technical focus.

What chip do you think Apple WILL use? There are several choices, including the Pentium M, Pentium D, Pentium Extreme Edition, and Pentium 4/P4 Extreme Edition. And that's not to mention the Itaniums.


Also, which of these chips are 64 bit (like the G5)? I know the Itanium is, but I heard some others support it.
Yes it has veered greatly - and I haven't helped. Don't forget about the Xeon processors however I believe that if Apple moves to Intel, it won't be on the x86, x86-64, or similar architectures - it will be on a PowerPC architecture with Intel making PowerPC processors such as the G5 (or a similar variant).

All in all though, I believe the IBM PowerPC 970MP will be used.
 
Dr. No said:
Yup- forgot the Xeons :eek: Are they based on the Pentium 4 architecture now??
I'm not sure, I think they are x86-64 but maybe not.
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/xeon/index.htm
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/itanium2/index.htm
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium4/index.htm
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentiumXE/index.htm
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium_D/index.htm
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentiumm/index.htm
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium4-m/index.htm
Didn't feel like reading about them but someone else may

Side note: at around post 1322 this thread will officially start dying due to a new thread about THE SAME THING! Its too bad - would like to have seen 5000+ comments.
 
dongmin said:
Thanks for that bit of glass-half-empty overreaction.

Apple will be fine. Apple has survived many platform changes before. They survived through the Motorola G4 fiascos. And they survived the last two years with basically zero help from IBM (thanks IBM for introducing liquid cooling to Macs!).

Steve is not gonna make this switch unless he has a solid transition strategy in place already. I'm sure he has already been talking to the major developers (Adobe, Msoft, Quark) to make sure they're on board. Steve is such a great salesman that he'll make this switch sound like a piece of cake.

And I'm sure Apple has been working on the emulation tools to make sure current Macs will not become obsolete. Apple will continue to make Tiger and all Mac apps for both platforms. Most consumers rely on Apple's apps for most of their activity. The difficulty will be in getting small niche developers to support both platforms, and the customers of these niche markets will suffer. But I think Apple can do a lot to help them out.

To me, the near-term will be difficult, but the upside is much greater. No longer will Apple hardware be inferior or more expensive. Apple will finally be playing at an equal playing field, in terms of hardware. In the long run, I think this move will attract more developers since now there is more potential to grow the marketshare.


Do you think that if apple switches to x86 it will be able to maintain its present appeal and identity, though? imo this would represent a major change in direction and would define new objectives.
 
As far as this whole Intel thing goes, initially I don't like it. But, if anybody can pull it off it is present-day Apple. You can't really blame them for wanting to find a new CPU manufacturer. No matter how you want to present the situation, IBM has been farting around with the development of the G5. As nice as the G5 is it does no good for Apple that after two years with the G5 processor it is still limited to only two models, PowerMac G5 and iMac G5. And to make matters worse neither one of the G5 Mac lines have sold well.

Apple needs to do something. Maybe, it won't be too bad. We still don't know the complete details of this migration, if it is true at all. One thing that makes me skeptical about this is that every news site is claiming that Apple will introduce these chips to it's low-end Mac models before it brings the chips to the high-end Mac models. That doesn't make sense at all. If Apple was switching to gain performance, wouldn't the high-end user be the initial market place. If true it will be unheard of by Apple's standards, heck by any company's standards. I don't know of any company that has introduced major advancements to it's product lines by bringing it out in low-end products first.
 
With the heavy usage of the IBM PowerPC chip in the XBox 360 and the playstation 3. I can really see Apple getting the short end of the stick. I can imagine that sweet Fishkills plant being used for the fabrication of Xbox chips. Sorry, Apple but we won't be able to fit you in this week. I think this was an aggressive move by M$ to try to kill Apple. If we can't beat your OS, we will buy up all your chips.

It would be so nice to have Processors shipped on time and in larger cheaper quantities. Can you even imagine it? Dual-core 65nm chips shipping on time! And in quantity! You wouldn't have to wait around for two months for your powermac to arrive!

This may just be a good thing. I am now moving from denial, despair, and onto acceptance and even excitement.
 
One Question...?

No one scream at me, I'm sure this information is in the 1350 posts but who really wants to read through all of that??? Maybe if I didn't have a job...

Anyways Apple's are currently on the PPC chips, and Windows on x86. If Apple did switch to x86 wouldn't that open up a huge door for viruses to come floating in etc.? Are the viruses because of Windows or the x86 platform is my basic question. Thanks, :eek:
 
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