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Mr Maui said:
If I am not mistaken ... isn't Apple developing their own Office Suite right now? If so, WHO CARES about MS Office in the grand scheme of things. I believe MS stopped updating Explorer for the Mac, but we Mac users are still on the internet. :D

Um, yeah.. Who cares? Consumers that think the only word processor on Earth is M$ Word.. Imagine Jane Consumer again, walking into an Apple Store 2 yrs from now, looking at a new Intel Mini...

"Does it run Word?"

"No Mamm, but..." Salesman follows her towards the door, "It runs iWork, Apple's Office suite! It'll open Word Docs! Wait!"

I've seen people not be able to grasp that just because they can't run Office XP on a Mac doesn't = no Office at all for Mac.. That's tough enough.. But *NO* Office? LOL.. Or, perhaps worse, having to use Office for Win in MacOS X Intel? Blech! I'm *sure* that will sell *lots* of new Macs...

Again, if SJ does this, it's time for a little trip to the mental ward.. I'll drive.
 
FlyNolJ said:
No one scream at me, I'm sure this information is in the 1350 posts but who really wants to read through all of that??? Maybe if I didn't have a job...

Anyways Apple's are currently on the PPC chips, and Windows on x86. If Apple did switch to x86 wouldn't that open up a huge door for viruses to come floating in etc.? Are the viruses because of Windows or the x86 platform is my basic question. Thanks, :eek:

The comparison you want to be making there is more one of Windows vs. UNIX/FreeBSD than x86 vs. PPC. Unix is secure, strong and stable, Windows is not. Although not all viruses, etc. rely solely on software/OS, this still is a huge factor, and a reason why Apple wouldn't have as much to worry about as some people might think.
 
Apperently AMD is in the game as well

The Inquirer is reporting this as true as well.


THE RUMOURED APPLE MOVE to x86 is true, the INQUIRER has gotten independent confirmation of this. Prior to publication of this, sources had told the INQ that a switch was in the works. More importantly, they also said that Apple was playing the AMD card at full force, so don't be too surprised if a green logo shows up on some models.

The Intel chips are almost assuredly going to start with a mobile part, probably Yonah, then on to Merom. Both use the same FSB technology, but Merom is faster so the switch will be a fairly painless one. The markets pointed out by CNet back up the idea that Yonah will start it all off, then Conroe and Woodcrest will take over. These sure are interesting times. µ

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23714
 
What about Intel's chip DRM?

I'm sorry if someone has posted this concern already, but I read the first five and last five pages of posts. I don't have the inclination to slog through forty-three more debates over meriting an avatar.

What bothers me isn't the switch to an Intel x86/PowerPC architecture -- what *really* bothers me is Intel's new CPU-embedded DRM scheme. How will this affect Apple computers? Will they have to be fully compatible with Windows Media 10 and Microsoft's Janus DRM? Will a hardware-bound-to-software DRM scheme come into existence for Apple's Fairplay, or will they escape that fate?

I was gloating because I thought Apple computers would never suffer the restrictions of their Windows counterparts due to a different chip manufacturer. Now I'm not so sure.
 
eji said:
I'm sorry if someone has posted this concern already, but I read the first five and last five pages of posts. I don't have the inclination to slog through forty-three more debates over meriting an avatar.

What bothers me isn't the switch to an Intel x86/PowerPC architecture -- what *really* bothers me is Intel's new CPU-embedded DRM scheme. How will this affect Apple computers? Will they have to be fully compatible with Windows Media 10 and Microsoft's Janus DRM? Will a hardware-bound-to-software DRM scheme come into existence for Apple's Fairplay, or will they escape that fate?

I was gloating because I thought Apple computers would never suffer the restrictions of their Windows counterparts due to a different chip manufacturer. Now I'm not so sure.

Apple can just not support the DRM features. Done!
And IIRC it is only the Pentium D that has the DRM...
 
I read an article about NeXTstep that said they tried to go x86 at one point. Perhaps Steve Jobs is ultimately concerned with the refinement and flexibility of his OS and will go to any lengths to achieve it.
 
StkhlmSyndrm23 said:
Some have speculated that the Apple-Intel partnership could be for devices other than Macintosh computers, i.e., consumer electronics but not Macs themselves. But CNET specifically says there will be Intel chips in Apple's personal computers in 2006. If we believe CNET (and the Wall Street Journal's one source who apparently confirmed the news) then our Macs are indeed going to change to Intel-made processors.
 
Havent managed to slog through all the posts...but i tried :eek:

It would seem the major issue with IBM is not providing a new chip to replace the G4 in the laptops.

Does anyone think it possible that maybe intel/AMD will be tasked with only providing a new chip for the laptops, and IBM will be kept for the desktops?

I know there would be massive concerns with the OS if it was an x86 chip for the laptops, and PPC for the desktops, but it could be AMD/intel will make a PPC for the laptops. What are peoples thoughts on the viability of this.
 
aussiemac86 said:
Havent managed to slog through all the posts...but i tried :eek:

It would seem the major issue with IBM is not providing a new chip to replace the G4 in the laptops.

Does anyone think it possible that maybe intel/AMD will be tasked with only providing a new chip for the laptops, and IBM will be kept for the desktops?

I know there would be massive concerns with the OS if it was an x86 chip for the laptops, and PPC for the desktops, but it could be AMD/intel will make a PPC for the laptops. What are peoples thoughts on the viability of this.


I can't believe thet after 1300 post on this one and 169 already on the other thread . People are still talkin about an INTEL PPC.


NOT HAPPENING PEOPLE LIVE WITH IT. AND BE HAPPY WITH YOUR PENTIUM M POWERBOOKS.
 
eji said:
What bothers me isn't the switch to an Intel x86/PowerPC architecture -- what *really* bothers me is Intel's new CPU-embedded DRM scheme. How will this affect Apple computers?
It may not affect them at all. There are some extra functions in these CPUs to make it easier to process cryptogunk, but systems will still work if they ignore those features and support has to be built into the rest of the system for it to do anything restrictive. In other words, the DRM in hardware issue is completely up to Apple, just as it would be if they stuck to PowerPC.
 
You know I am surprised after reading all these posts that no one has sought to realize that maybe this isn't some spontaneous move by apple and maybe it's thier Plan B that they have been emplementing for years , maybe they have been porting iLife /OSX and optimizing it over the last year or so . maybe even b4 IBM joined the party.
 
jiggie2g said:
I can't believe thet after 1300 post on this one and 169 already on the other thread . People are still talkin about an INTEL PPC.


NOT HAPPENING PEOPLE LIVE WITH IT. AND BE HAPPY WITH YOUR PENTIUM M POWERBOOKS.

You know this for a fact? Who's your source? Or are you just guessing? If so, please don't shout your guesses as absolute fact. Show some humility. Acknowledge that it's your opinion, nothing more, that it's "not happening". We'll find out soon, one way or the other.
 
Snowy_River said:
You know this for a fact? Who's your source? Or are you just guessing? If so, please don't shout your guesses as absolute fact. Show some humility. Acknowledge that it's your opinion, nothing more, that it's "not happening". We'll find out soon, one way or the other.


WHY IN GODS NAME would Intel spend hundereds of million of dollors to design a CPU from the ground up for Apple. IBM already tried that and we all see they are regretting it. whats in it for Intel if thats the case to interrupt thier Manufacturing processes for the Pentium D for the sake of saving Apples ass just to sell a tiny fell million CPU's Hell they would do that for HP or Dell b4 they would ever do nit 4 apple as they are BIG customers by comparision.

Makes no damn sense , IBM gambled on Apple cuz they thought maybe with the PPC970 things would pick up dramatically and that has not been the case. IBM has pretty much given apple the bird and so off It goes to make chips for Video game consoles for 1000x more money in the long run .You obviously no noting about business.

You need to calm down as u are just 1 of a million angry mac zealots who feel betrayed by this news. why do u care u still get to keep OSX it's that what makes that mac so unique.There already enough post on slashdot , MacNN , Maccentral , cnet and broadbandreports by mac nuts screaming Intel PPC ...sorry to bust your bubble.
 
OS X And x86

I have read a few posts that have stated that they don't care if OS X runs on x86 so long as it runs the same as it does now.

Well part of the reason OS X runs so well is because it runs on specific hardware.

If Apple switches to x86 then I would expect it to support the same number of periperhals as Windows. (Why wouldn't you?)

Imagine the number of complaints Apple would get from consumers because it doesn't support the 16,000 odd drivers Windows does.

If I was an average consumer my conversation would go like this.

Consumer: So OS X runs on x86?
Salesman: Sure does.
Consumer: So I can run it on the PC I have now?
Salesman: Uhh, no.
Consumer: Why not?
Salesman: Umm...

This would go with the territory. Windows (x86) works with every peripheral under the sun, this is the market you are trying to corner, this is the type of consumer you are trying to lure.
 
NOT!

There's one huge problem with believing this story to be about the Mac. Look at the WWDC schedule. Do you see any courses or discussions on porting applications and drivers to OSX on Intel? If Apple were to make the change, even 5 years down the road, developers would need to know specifics and see sample code and tools. Also Intel would have no interest in making a PowerPC to Apple specs. But, there are already Intel chips and technology in each Mac, just not the main CPU. Look for a new device related to the so-called digital lifestyle that uses an Intel chip of some kind, such as an I/O or networking chip.
 
orville said:
There's one huge problem with believing this story to be about the Mac. Look at the WWDC schedule.
It's funny you should say that. The schedule contents have now been restricted to attendees.
 
iMeowbot said:
It's funny you should say that. The schedule contents have now been restricted to attendees.

is normal
I doubt you will see them ever again, that's usually how it works
 
mafwoj said:
is normal
I doubt you will see them ever again, that's usually how it works
Yep, and reasonable of course, they can't list everything ahead of time for obvious reasons.

Before it was taken offline (Google cache ought to have it), there was a definite lack of naming names when it came to CPU tracks (that is, "G5" was really only mentioned in the context of entire systems rather than the chip, the usual Altivec/Velocity Engine and so on hype was conspicuously absent, but lots of generic "64 bit" references in there).
 
jiggie2g said:
WHY IN GODS NAME would Intel spend hundereds of million of dollors to design a CPU from the ground up for Apple. IBM already tried that and we all see they are regretting it. whats in it for Intel if thats the case to interrupt thier Manufacturing processes for the Pentium D for the sake of saving Apples ass just to sell a tiny fell million CPU's Hell they would do that for HP or Dell b4 they would ever do nit 4 apple as they are BIG customers by comparision.

Makes no damn sense , IBM gambled on Apple cuz they thought maybe with the PPC970 things would pick up dramatically and that has not been the case. IBM has pretty much given apple the bird and so off It goes to make chips for Video game consoles for 1000x more money in the long run .You obviously no noting about business.

You need to calm down as u are just 1 of a million angry mac zealots who feel betrayed by this news. why do u care u still get to keep OSX it's that what makes that mac so unique.There already enough post on slashdot , MacNN , Maccentral , cnet and broadbandreports by mac nuts screaming Intel PPC ...sorry to bust your bubble.
I think we all need to calm down--including you.

I felt there was a chance for an Intel PowerPC until I read the Inquirer article. That basically ruled out the possibility of an Intel PPC.
 
um...

Jmitch said:
This isn't right. I just don't see this happening. It can't happen. The day I see an Intel chip in a Macintosh is the day I take a ram rod and shove it up my ass. This would be going against EVERYTHING! This would going against everything Apple stands for and has standed for. The freedom from evil tyrants that control the market. Please Apple your the last hope.

the airport express has an intel in it, the xserve RAID uses an intel, and if we are ever to get PCI-e it will involve intel (understand that these chips are not processors, just chips)(like you said)

so, are you going to shove a ramrod up your arse? :eek:
 
Intel Power PC is not happening

Snowy_River said:
You know this for a fact? Who's your source? Or are you just guessing? If so, please don't shout your guesses as absolute fact. Show some humility. Acknowledge that it's your opinion, nothing more, that it's "not happening". We'll find out soon, one way or the other.

Let's say I "know someone that works at Intel" . . . Intel does not have the IP nor the IP licensing required to make PPC. Even if they did, the financial incentive to fab a totall different CPU architecture for 3% of the PC market is not there.
 
The Damn Sticker

Even if Apple goes with these intel processors (which i strongly disapose) I dont wanna see that ugly sticker that says "Intel Inside" on the front of my powermac.

and that whole thing about the ramrod back there, a little unreasonanble, Dont ya think?
 
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