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Really switching to Intel!!??

cbcarbaj said:
Let's say I "know someone that works at Intel" . . . Intel does not have the IP nor the IP licensing required to make PPC. Even if they did, the financial incentive to fab a totall different CPU architecture for 3% of the PC market is not there.
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It isn't just 3% of the market, it is a paying customer worth millions, maybe billions, of dollars over the next few years if done correctly.
 
Oh god no. Apple wouldn't do this... Remember all those megahertz myth ads? The ones firing at Intel? How's Apple going to explain those?!

Please don't let this be true... Please... :(
 
Elijahg said:
Oh god no. Apple wouldn't do this... Remember all those megahertz myth ads? The ones firing at Intel? How's Apple going to explain those?!

Please don't let this be true... Please... :(
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Well, Steve has a very long list of "hat-eating". Remember "flash based players are forgotten inside a drawer - that's why we don't make'em", or "we'll hit 3GHz in a year", or "we'll make a Windows application when hell freezes over". I assume Steve will have a very big hat to eat tomorrow: both video-pod and Intel/AMD swich are gonna be remembered for a long, long time.

BTW, I've read some information similar to the one kakophony posted at some other forums, they confirm the AMD presence in the picture.
 
Damn....I was planning on switching in the next couple of weeks...if this rumour does turn out to be true... I don't know what to do. :eek:
 
Guys, it seems that the Yonah Dual-Core Pentium-M could be the first Intel chip to ship inside an iBook (the consumer line would go first to grant that the prosumers still not get the QuickTransit performance penalty), and the Pentium-D would get the PowerMac line in 2007.
 
gedto said:
Guys, it seems that the Yonah Dual-Core Pentium-M could be the first Intel chip to ship inside an iBook (the consumer line would go first to grant that the prosumers still not get the QuickTransit performance penalty), and the Pentium-D would get the PowerMac line in 2007.
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and u know this how ???
:confused:
 
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23714

"THE RUMOURED APPLE MOVE to x86 is true, the INQIORER has gotten independent confirmation of this. Prior to publication of this, sources had told the INQ that a switch was in the works. More importantly, they also said that Apple was playing the AMD card at full force, so don't be too surprised if a green logo shows up on some models"

Sorry if it has been stuck up in this thread allready.
 
I don't KNOW it, obviously. That's what I think.

BTW, Wired gave us the hint some time ago:
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,64914,00.html

"One of the key breakthroughs is performance," Wiederhold said. "You can't tell the difference between a translated application and a native application."

Transitive launched the software on Monday with versions for Itanium, Opteron, x86 and Power/PowerPC chips.

The company is initially going after the server and mainframe markets because that's where the money is, but said it will eventually focus on desktop PCs and consumer electronics. It claims QuickTransit will support almost any pairing of processor and operating system.

Transitive said it already has six customers -- all computer manufacturers -- but declined to name them. The first will go public later this year, Transitive said.
 
plastique45 said:
I hope that Steve Jobs REALLY sees the light. There was a rumor a few months ago (on this site) that 4 PC vendors where asking Jobs for OS X on their Machines. HP and Sony would be 2 of them considering their tie to Apple. If Apple switches to x86, it means that ALL apps released for OS X after the switch will be ready for an Apple, HP, Sony or whatever brand-OS X computer! Hey, if you put a PowerBook next to an HP notebook, you'd still want the PowerBook, but you'd get a faster computer, a computer with many more applications and games than today, and since the competition will be more intense, lower prices.

MS reputation has NEVER been lower, Apple's (and especially OS X's) and never been HIGHER. Tiger was voted 3rd best PC product of the year by PC World magazine out of the top 100 (Firefox was #1, google #2). Everyone with a PC aound me keep asking me questions about Tiger because every PC magazine gave it astounding reviews. There has NEVER been a better time for Apple to strike back and regain it's market share.

If done properly, this plan could easily bring OS X from it's current 4% market share to 20%. The benefit sto us all will be tremendous.

Wait till you see a 2.8GHz P4 Mac mini at $400 or 3.2 GHz P4 Powerbook @ $1,200, then try to complain.
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Of course. Jobs will take the stage with the CEOs of Sony, HP, Toshiba and Gateway. Today, Apple is announcing that it is switching to Intel chips and licensing Tiger to Sony, HP, Toshiba and Gateway. The 5 of us were smoking some weed at the recent D conference and decided it was time to bitch slap Gates and Ballmer. Today we announce the beginning of the end of the Windows monopoly, viruses, adware and malware. The first new Tiger-x86 feature set will be the use of the iTunes visualizer instead of the BSOD. It looks so cool when you're stoned.
 
Years ago on the Amiga platform, a company called Phase5 (they made mac accellerators) produced the first PPC card for the Amiga 1200 and Amiga 4000 computers. These were based on the 603e and 604e processsors. The system they developed was called PowerUP. Another company produced a C compiler for PPC and 68k CPUs called StormC and had a PPC library called WarpUp which would work with Phase5 cards.

There was no emulation of the 68k processor. The PowerUp cards were dual processor. A 68040/68060 and a 603/604 PPC chip. This provided backwards compatibility without the possibility of breaking some software. Could it be that Apple would create a Powerbook with a PentiumM and a G4?... and have a x86 library called IntelUp?
 
Intel chips and PowerPC are of different Endians.. I don't see it is very feasible.

Not to mention having 2 CPUs would not do wonders to the battery life.

nomore said:
Years ago on the Amiga platform, a company called Phase5 (they made mac accellerators) produced the first PPC card for the Amiga 1200 and Amiga 4000 computers. These were based on the 603e and 604e processsors. The system they developed was called PowerUP. Another company produced a C compiler for PPC and 68k CPUs called WarpUp which would work with Phase5 cards.

There was no emulation of the 68k processor. The PowerUp cards were dual processor. A 68040/68060 and a 603/604 PPC chip. This provided backwards compatibility without the possibility of breaking some software. Could it be that Apple would create a Powerbook with a PentiumM and a G4?
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Godwin said:
Intel chips and PowerPC are of different Endians.. I don't see it is very feasible.

Not to mention having 2 CPUs would not do wonders to the battery life.
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Of course it's possible. A translator chip in the new chipset could switch the binary numbers around before it gets to the CPU.
 
Of course everything is possible without constraints.. but I think the performance hit would be pretty big.. not to mention power draw.. if switching binary number is so easy.. Apple or Sun could have done it years ago.

nomore said:
Of course it's possible. A translator chip in the new chipset could switch the binary numbers around before it gets to the CPU.
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Godwin said:
Of course everything is possible without constraints.. but I think the performance hit would be pretty big.. not to mention power draw.. if switching binary number is so easy.. Apple or Sun could have done it years ago.
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This would have to be done in the Transitive emulation anyway, so surely a dedicated hardware solution would be faster.
 
this is the interesting bit and could refer to apple (as well as SGI, but they have different concerns):

http://www.transitive.com/computer_oem.htm

at 80% of native recompiled code eh?

so is a dothan 2Ghz running at 80% better than a G4 at 1.67Ghz? I strongly suspect it is (caches and FSB taken into consideration).

i still find all this hard to believe but i guess it isn't impossible.

personally i just want a fast laptop made by apple, running osx. don't care what the architecture is tbh.
 
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