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Really switching to Intel!!??
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shompa said:
Oh stop... My XP box gets rebooted when i feel like it, sometimes going MONTHS without a reboot, and its fast, reliable. If you can't make a windows box run that long, don't push it off on the general public.
Granted, there are more virus's, etc so forth for windows, but apple had to support everything and everyone Microsoft does, do you HONESTLY think your machine would be as stable as it is?
Panoctopi said:
emaja said:
Panoctopi said:
But if we are talking about growing market share, then the general public is who we are trying to address, not the hard-core "Apple or nothing" Mac-o-philes.
I am not sure what to think about the truth to this rumor, but I have plenty of confidence in Jobs to pull this off the right way. That means he has already ported OS X to x86 and been in contact with the core developers like Adobe/Macromedia to insure that they will be on board.
I also firmly believe that IF this is true, that there is no way that OS X will be allowed to run on just any old PC. It will still be a closed system, with a limited number of options for upgrade. Partners like Sony and HP have already been mentioned, but there may be others also. Apple will still be in firm control - and that control will mean quality.
I have faith. So should everyone else. We haven't supported the platform just to ditch it when things change. Mac users have been through many changes, and all of them under Jobs' watch have been for the better in the long run.
If someone wants to be an elitist about this, then fine - run your Linux and be happy. I just want a computer that works - and that is a computer running OS X. Not a CPU or a chipset.
I don't know, but the AMD user in me would be VERY disappointed if Apple went Intel.
1) Means Intel getting even more business.
2) Means AMD losing out on that business.
*Ok, now the realist in me kicks in. Yes, Intel has superior production capabilities...but that still doesn't make it the right decision. Why not go AMD/Apple to go against Intel/Windows?
1) Means Intel getting even more business.
2) Means AMD losing out on that business.
*Ok, now the realist in me kicks in. Yes, Intel has superior production capabilities...but that still doesn't make it the right decision. Why not go AMD/Apple to go against Intel/Windows?
This thread still doesn't answer this basic question:
If Apple goes x86, how will they maintain PPC sales until they make the switch?
I am in the market for my second Mac. I have an iBook, and now I want an iMac. However, if iMacs are going to x86 in 2 years, I won't buy it until then. This logic will come from both home and business consumers. Don't you see the risk?
If Apple goes x86, how will they maintain PPC sales until they make the switch?
I am in the market for my second Mac. I have an iBook, and now I want an iMac. However, if iMacs are going to x86 in 2 years, I won't buy it until then. This logic will come from both home and business consumers. Don't you see the risk?
Wow your positive attitude is rubbing off on me... when i first heard the news i was really freaking out, now i'm at least resigned to wait and see what happens with my fingers crossed.Mac_Freak said:
btw, do we really have an option to abandon this forum?
That's not even an argument. Mac OS X has X11 as an option.nomore said:
Besides, XFree86 is dead. Long live X.org. They're making massive improvements. Combine that with GNOME 2.10 and you have a comparable desktop option.
At least X11 has network awareness, Aqua does not (yet?).
I agree with you on most of what you said, however: in any business, when appealing to the masses it's important not to become diluted in message and product quality; and isn't the cpu an integral factor that determines theemaja said:
type of experience an user has on its computer...
I guess that's my greatest fear in all this (and i admit that fear is substantiated by my many blind spots on this topic) is that this will if not immediately then maybe in a couple of years transform the mac experience.
I mean are you totally confident that it will simply be more of the same but better after such a change, if it really happens?
propropro said:and how will they mantain software developers developing soft for PPC Macs? oh... I see, no more new software for our Macs by 2006
I think this is by far the largest problem.
Working in music, various plug in's to logic alone can costs hundreds of pounds. I have to say I'm a little worried that I may have to re-purchase all this software. I'm not sure Ill be allowed a "free" upgrade. It also means, that if mac do switch, ill be saying goodbye to the library of sounds I have right here right now.
The saddest thing is that all the aforementioned software IS compatible with windows, and it all comes on the same disk. I could run out, purchase a Dell, and be on my way in around half an hour.
That says somthing. For the last 18 months (switcher) Ive been boosted by the platform, and now they're going to change the DNA that has been representational of the Mac system for decades.
Im not being an elitist, but for the time being, my productivity may lie with a PC. I can cut my losses, get some money off the products Ive purchased while they're still worth somthing, and keep my software up and running. The only other option is to hang on through this rough ride. I'm not sure I want to be that risky.
Opinions?
For example, at my university I work on my computer science projects and labs on a Sun server. I simply have to launch X11 on my Mac and ssh to the Sun server (with the -X or -Y option). Then I can launch any program that requires X11 and run it on the Sun machine, but display it on my Mac.gedto said:
You can do the same thing in Linux with X.org and vice versa.
Is that clear or do I need more explanation? We're already getting a bit off topic.
Mav451 said:
You know, I thought the same thing. Then I realized that Apple has tried the hard way SOOO many times to swim against the current, to be the underdog, to be the square peg. What has worked so well though has been staying unique, but using known, inexpensive, and readily available technologies the best way possible.
Using IDE, USB, LG & Foxxcon parts, Korean & Taiwanese RAM, chinese manufacturing, etc. has helped Apple innovate and stay slightly competitive.
Another partnership with an underdog like AMD could just be another letdown.
If they do it right, this could be a great opportunity to take back the computer industry by storm.
shompa said:
This is like a PC user saying they don't like macs because they run in black and white.
IRQ, Himem.sys, DMA, all that crap hasn't mattered in a very long time. I saw someone else in this thread mention a 640k limit and how the PC has to do a hack to get around it, when was the last time some of you folks actually used a PC?
The one thing this whole discussion has done is it has brought out the ugly reality of the current state of PowerPC. If Intel rumors turn out not to be true, boy will we have beat ourselves up all weekend for nothing.
What you will see Monday morning ----
An x86 based Mac-Mini look-a-like running OS X !!!!!
Lets see ---- 2 weeks ago Intel and an Asian ODM showed off a Mini look-a-like x86 PC
This week we (and employees of Apple) are told Apple is moving to Intel
The announcement indicates Apples low end products will move to x86 first.
Hmmmm about 19hrs to go and counting
An x86 based Mac-Mini look-a-like running OS X !!!!!
Lets see ---- 2 weeks ago Intel and an Asian ODM showed off a Mini look-a-like x86 PC
This week we (and employees of Apple) are told Apple is moving to Intel
The announcement indicates Apples low end products will move to x86 first.
Hmmmm about 19hrs to go and counting
Crippled OS?
I've said this many times before, but I'm not sure its true its just an idea.
Maybe Apple wants to release a crippled version of OS X for x86. This wouldn't necessitate a recompile of all the software for the PPC OS X platform. The crippled version could run different software, written by developers, and would only be licensed on certain vendors - maybe, HP, Sony, Averatec, etc. Not Dell, or the big market share cavemen. Kind of like OS X Home edition... sort of...
Just my idea. I think maybe Intel is going to make PPC chips, because no one is able to answer the real question here - sales dry up when you announce you're changing processor architectures. Who's going to buy a Mac when, two years down the line, they're going to release machines that won't be fully supported? No one. Osborne's Law - when you tell people you are releasing a new item months (this case, years), they don't buy the current version of the machine. John Gruber has it all sorted out (www.daringfireball.com). He says not to listen to any rumor that doesn't explain this.
But its 5 30 the night before the keynote! Isn't it FUN to speculate on things we'll know for certain Monday. It is, isn't it? Ah well, we'll all see. The keynote happens at 10 in SF, which means it happens at 2 on the East Coast. We'll see.
Calih
I've said this many times before, but I'm not sure its true its just an idea.
Maybe Apple wants to release a crippled version of OS X for x86. This wouldn't necessitate a recompile of all the software for the PPC OS X platform. The crippled version could run different software, written by developers, and would only be licensed on certain vendors - maybe, HP, Sony, Averatec, etc. Not Dell, or the big market share cavemen. Kind of like OS X Home edition... sort of...
Just my idea. I think maybe Intel is going to make PPC chips, because no one is able to answer the real question here - sales dry up when you announce you're changing processor architectures. Who's going to buy a Mac when, two years down the line, they're going to release machines that won't be fully supported? No one. Osborne's Law - when you tell people you are releasing a new item months (this case, years), they don't buy the current version of the machine. John Gruber has it all sorted out (www.daringfireball.com). He says not to listen to any rumor that doesn't explain this.
But its 5 30 the night before the keynote! Isn't it FUN to speculate on things we'll know for certain Monday. It is, isn't it? Ah well, we'll all see. The keynote happens at 10 in SF, which means it happens at 2 on the East Coast. We'll see.
Calih
Mac_Freak said:One good thing that is going to come out of this thing is a cheaper (more affordable) Macs
Are you on drugs?
When equally equipped (FireWire, ATI graphics, SuperDrives, etc) Macs either cost within $50 of Dells offerings, or are *cheeper* as it is!
You think this is going to suddenly make Macs *cheeper*?! Do you also expect that Apple will stop including 10/100(1000) Ethernet, FireWire, and ATI graphics in all their entry models to get that cheep?
Whatever you're on... I want some. I'd love to see the color of the sky on your world...
