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Really switching to Intel!!??

QuickTransit

How many more hours do we now have until we learn the truth?

Long weekend, indeed.

Let's say the rumor is true. Emulation will have to be a key factor in software compatibility until developers have a chance to recompile--plus provide users the capability to run existing software on new systems. This will be a transition, not a sudden change.

This is where I think where QuickTransit will come in. Put together all the pieces, you'll see it adds up.

It's gonna happen; I can feel it.
 
Doofy's reaching...

What if - and forgive me if this has been mentioned in the last 1400+ posts - Apple is using an Intel chip to emulate a more powerful G4? The articles do mention that Apple will work on the bottom machines first.
Since the G4 does not go past 1.67 officially, perhaps a P-M or another Intel chip can emulate a G4 @ 2GHz with a "faster" FSB. Yeah, I'm reaching, but so are a lot of posts out here.

I just bought a dual 2.3GHz G5 last month. I'll be mighty torn if they decide to completely ditch the G5 architecture.
 
Mac_Freak said:
I have correct my statment on other thread, after someone pointed out to some article that actually states that it would cost more.
BTW that was the immpression I got from reading other posts.

I was wrong, oh damn just shoot me.
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Sorry, didn't mean to go off so hard on you personally, but it was the 10th+ time I've read something like that re: the possible switch.. and it drives me crazy... It was stated a few times in the 1st WSJ article.. and for my above reasons, it makes no sense.. so after reading it yet again.. kind went off a bit.

As an Apple shareholder (my father is as well) I see this as a very bad move.. more than likely, we'll be selling after the keynote... Wound up tight, as this was the only stock I had left (and one of the few my father had left) that was many times higher than when we bought.. (damn Bush v2) If Apple's doing something this dumb I think it may be time to cut bait before it falls apart.
 
Wow, this looks serious now. I wonder if this is the reason Apple went after the rumour sites when they did, making sure too much info didn't come out too soon?

I'm not quite sure how I feel about this, As much as it would be good to have better chips, particularly the mobile ones I'm just not sure what this means for the future of Apple. Maybe we will just get a video iPod with an Intel chip, sot they can use Intels DRM.

Sorry for any repetition, I haven't had the chance to read all the other posts.
 
Convinced this is about WiMax and not CPU

Guys,
Check out http://www.vnunet.com/news/1162430 for a story about Intel's WiMax roadmap. It clearly states that laptops with built in WiMax should be available by mid-2006. Now I am even more convinced we are looking at WiMax chips from Intel into Macs. it simply makes no sense to pre-announce a CPU departure more than a year out. A switch to WiMax however will be a discriminator and mid-2006 would mean that the actual laptop with this capability would surface prior to the next WWDC. Announce and demo WiMax capable laptops at WWDC and then release in January at macworld expo. Just applying some logic.. :D
 
d.perel said:
i never knew the inquirer would be taken seriously
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I agree 100%, the Inquirer has Never been Right about an Apple prediction.
- They are constantly Anti-Mac Only because Apple doesn't use AMD chips. They most be heavily invested in AMD. Anyway, if they jump on the bandwagon and proclaim AMD is being considered, then you can be sure it's BS.
 
MikeBike said:
I agree 100%, the Inquirer has Never been Right about an Apple prediction.
- They are constantly Anti-Mac Only because Apple doesn't use AMD chips. They most be heavily invested in AMD. Anyway, if they jump on the bandwagon and proclaim AMD is being considered, then you can be sure it's BS.
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Well CNet's article sounds like its still mostly a consideration with Intel.
http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM,+switch+to+Intel+chips/2100-1006_3-5731398.html?tag=nefd.lede

The fact that's it on CNet, and linked to one of my most reliable sites, Tech Report, speaks volumes.
http://techreport.com/ja.zz?comments=8405
 
Hmm, what strikes me most is that Apple would have been aware of this last month, when they updated the PowerMac line, and revamped their site with all that "PowerPC blows Intel out of the water" lines. Doesn't seem like a smart move to rant so much about Intel and then turning to them. I see some schyzo-problems here.
 
gedto said:
Hmm, what strikes me most is that Apple would have been aware of this last month, when they updated the PowerMac line, and revamped their site with all that "PowerPC blows Intel out of the water" lines. Doesn't seem like a smart move to rant so much about Intel and then turning to them. I see some schyzo-problems here.
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Lol, schizo problems is right. Hell, they've trashed BOTH AMD and Intel, but Intel particularly (from the G3 to the G5, G4 Mhz Myth campaign?).

*Shrug*
We'll see when Apple/Intel/whoever makes their official press release in the next few days.
 
hodgjy said:
This thread still doesn't answer this basic question:

If Apple goes x86, how will they maintain PPC sales until they make the switch?

I am in the market for my second Mac. I have an iBook, and now I want an iMac. However, if iMacs are going to x86 in 2 years, I won't buy it until then. This logic will come from both home and business consumers. Don't you see the risk?
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- Apple is NOT in a position to Walk Away from Hardware Sales at this time.
- A first step to the move would be to Grow the Software business to shrink the risk of the move.
- Most Importantly, we by Apple partly for the Virus protection we get by NOT RUNNING x86 Hardware. Change that and you dilute the brand.

- Seems to be with Rising Sales at this time, it's a strange and wrong time for this type of move.
 
What if Intel wants Apple's business? What if they know that if Microsoft left them, they would be screwed? So they went to Apple for help. And so Intel will be making PPC chips, but not because Apple asked them to-- because Intel wants to. And Apple can get the chips for cheaper, and better, etc.
 
No, I mean that fact that Tech Report felt that they should put it up as a News item (and hence, the "comment thread" I linked) is I what I believe, IMHO, an indication of its legitimacy.
 
iGary said:
Ever seen Steve booed off stage?

You might tomorrow.
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I think the only time I've ever witnessed booing at one of these events was a few years ago when the big head of Mr. Gates appeared on the screen. Not saying it can't happen again though... This truly will be a Keynote to watch!
 
propropro said:
and how will they mantain software developers developing soft for PPC Macs? oh... I see, no more new software for our Macs by 2006 :mad:
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After thinking about it, I expect OSX to work on both Intel and PPC for some time to come, probably 10.4, and 10.5, and 10.6, so that Cocoa development will work on either platform. Somewhere I read Fortune magazine confirmed 10.1, 10.2 and 10.3 all worked on Intel, but it was never released, so continuing that into the future would be OS development as usual.

I am now expecting that the way this will probably be presented tomorrow will not even dissuade me from buying a new PPC PowerMac.

Could Altivec code be moved to the GPU, or am I clueless here?
 
NO Pentium 4

You will never see a Pentium 4 in a Mac , that CPU is atrocious. Apple knows this

I believe that Apple will go x86 and that any CPU from Intel will no doubt be Pentium M based.

I doubut you will even see a Pentium D, This CPU is considered a stop Gap to fight off AMD while Intel reloads it's guns with a New Desktop Processor.


It is well known in Itel circles that they have been hard at work on a 64 bit Pentium M based Desktop CPU. problem is it's still about 12-18 months away. but the time seems to coencide with Apples plans.
 
Maxiseller said:
For the last 18 months (switcher) Ive been boosted by the platform, and now they're going to change the DNA that has been representational of the Mac system for decades.
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Decades? The Mac has been on PowerPC for only a little over 10 years. We had 10 years of 68k, 10 years of PPC, and now, maybe, 10 years of something else.

If the rumors about transitive's tech are right, the transition to Intel chips would be about equal to the PPC transition.

MikeBike said:
- Most Importantly, we by Apple partly for the Virus protection we get by NOT RUNNING x86 Hardware. Change that and you dilute the brand.
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This has been debunked several times in this thread already...

The viruses are written for Windows! Not for x86 hardware. Mac viruses will only increase if more people decide to write viruses that exploit holes in Mac OS X, not because you have an Intel chip.

Mechcozmo said:
What if Intel wants Apple's business? What if they know that if Microsoft left them, they would be screwed? So they went to Apple for help. And so Intel will be making PPC chips, but not because Apple asked them to-- because Intel wants to. And Apple can get the chips for cheaper, and better, etc.
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Microsoft doesn't really decide which chips are used in PC's. They don't make PC's, remember? Of course, they have a lot of influence on the industry but they still are in a position to support whatever hardware makers want to make and consumers want to buy. Apple is in a different position because they have created a walled garden with hardware and the OS controlled by the same company.
 
Getting convinced

I still don't see the logic in this move, but, as been said elsewhere in the thread, I have to assume that Apple's higher ups have better information than I do about the future of the industry, and they certainly wouldn't make a move like this without a serious plan.

We've appreciated the wisdom of almost every move Apple's made recently, so why should this time be any different?

In Steve we trust.

If you look back at rumors past, they tend to have been sort of true if you squint, you know?

So I'm in the camp with those who think that if an Intel-based machine debuts tomorrow, it won't be a traditional Mac. It will be a tablet, Xstation, Home Media Center, or the like.
 
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