REALLY worried about MBP - Magic Toolbar & ports

[Bryan Bowler]

Every key combination on your keyboard has not been used yet. It will be easy to remap the escape key if you want it to be a physical key, or you could use Apple's version integrated into the MT (Magic Toolbar).

It's that easy, but if you want to make it painful for yourself, feel free to continue to do so.

 

[subjonas]

That's because that's the end result of

As a third party bystander, I've always found the simple "don't buy it" such a tired, cop-out, and unnecessary response in these forums. Sure, it may be the ultimate conclusion, and it sure is easier than thoughtfully considering the OP's issues, and taking the time to explain to them why they're wrong or won't get what they want. And sure the OP may not be receptive toward opposing arguments, but for some of them, the reason they came to the forums is simply to have their opinions heard and to start an engaging discussion about it. Some are welcome to opposing arguments.

I understand a lot of OPs cannot be convinced. If people don't want to hear these OPs complain, especially about the same old things, I don't understand why they take the time to read and respond at all. If you have to respond out of frustrations, just say 'shut up'. It's less condescending and just as helpful. Or just delete his post, since you're on staff.
But I really don't think "don't buy it" has ever done anyone any good, except to the one saying it, it probably feels good.

Apple Event is on, gotta go.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

It has an ESC button The world is saved

 

[tyche]

They made it 17% thinner and kept the ESC key (kinda).

 

[adamjackson]

All i want to know is will this machine have a 4Ghz Quad Core chip and 24GB of RAM? Then I'm sold. I need performance and ports.

I use HDMI, Thunderbolt, Audio in, Audio Out, 2 USB and SD card slot. Looks we're losing these and going all dongles.

 

[therealseebs]

Every key combination on your keyboard has not been used yet. It will be easy to remap the escape key if you want it to be a physical key, or you could use Apple's version integrated into the MT (Magic Toolbar).

"Key combination"? What's that got to do with anything? I don't want a "key combination", I want a key.

Look at the keyboard, now that we've got pictures. What, exactly, should I remap escape to? Numbers? Letters? I sorta need those! There are no spare keys.

It's that easy, but if you want to make it painful for yourself, feel free to continue to do so.

The reason I'm still considering a MBP is that it does have headphone jacks, and I can use external keyboards.

Right now, my existing MBP is in a dock. It's hooked up to a 30" monitor using one thunderbolt/minidisplayport port, and to a thunderbolt dock using the other. The dock gives me stuff like ethernet and more USB ports.

The new machine hasn't got actual thunderbolt ports; it has thunderbolt integrated with USB-C. So I'd need a fancy new thing that allows me access to the thunderbolt functionality, and that would be enough to let me hook up either the monitor or the dock. I would need something else, or another thing, if I wanted both.

Now, in principle, a thing could be made which uses a single USB-C port and gives power to the laptop, and provides thunderbolt out I can use for docking or whatever. But I haven't seen it yet, so...

Basically, this machine may be lighter, but by the time I've got the extra hardware I need to use it, it'll be heavier.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

"Key combination"? What's that got to do with anything? I don't want a "key combination", I want a key.

Look at the keyboard, now that we've got pictures. What, exactly, should I remap escape to? Numbers? Letters? I sorta need those! There are no spare keys.



The reason I'm still considering a MBP is that it does have headphone jacks, and I can use external keyboards.

Right now, my existing MBP is in a dock. It's hooked up to a 30" monitor using one thunderbolt/minidisplayport port, and to a thunderbolt dock using the other. The dock gives me stuff like ethernet and more USB ports.

The new machine hasn't got actual thunderbolt ports; it has thunderbolt integrated with USB-C. So I'd need a fancy new thing that allows me access to the thunderbolt functionality, and that would be enough to let me hook up either the monitor or the dock. I would need something else, or another thing, if I wanted both.

Now, in principle, a thing could be made which uses a single USB-C port and gives power to the laptop, and provides thunderbolt out I can use for docking or whatever. But I haven't seen it yet, so...

Basically, this machine may be lighter, but by the time I've got the extra hardware I need to use it, it'll be heavier.

It has specific terminal and xcode settings fully customiseable for you as well. Every complaint bar a physical key have been answered, you can breath again and lower your blood pressure

 

[adamjackson]

So I'm going from 6 ports to 4 and having to run 3 dongles. Great.

 

[therealseebs]

It has specific terminal and xcode settings fully customiseable for you as well. Every complaint bar a physical key have been answered, you can breath again and lower your blood pressure

Hmm. So, did you notice how many of the touch bar demos don't have an escape key? But at least some of those apps have escape useful for a thing. (Heck, how do you force-quit on this? Command-option-whoopsthere'snobutton.)

So far as I can tell, the real culprit here is the huuuuuge touchpad. If they'd left the full keyboard in place, the touchpad would have to be very slightly smaller.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

It has specific terminal and xcode settings fully customiseable for you as well. Every complaint bar a physical key have been answered, you can breath again and lower your blood pressure

And a version with physical keys Wow nasty Apple has provide choice
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Hmm. So, did you notice how many of the touch bar demos don't have an escape key? But at least some of those apps have escape useful for a thing. (Heck, how do you force-quit on this? Command-option-whoopsthere'snobutton.)

So far as I can tell, the real culprit here is the huuuuuge touchpad. If they'd left the full keyboard in place, the touchpad would have to be very slightly smaller.

Did you also notice that you simply press the fn key if you want the traditional function key layout. There is no point to have that in apps where they don't use those keys any way all the time. I wouldn't have thought that it is such a hard concept.
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So I'm going from 6 ports to 4 and having to run 3 dongles. Great.

Don't get it then Its a choice...

 

[adamjackson]

Don't get it then Its a choice...

You guys always say that. I buy a new iMac, MacBook Pro every 2 years and a new iPhone & iPad every year.

It's not a choice for me. I resale before the market drops out and buy new. Your argument is moot. this is obviously Apple's future and all of us have to get on board or switch to Windows but it doesn't mean I'm happy about it. I'll have to spend $200 in dongles & hubs to make this thing work and that's disappointing.

 

[Sandy Santra]

Does anyone know when they will be available online? In stores?

 

[New_Mac_Smell]

It has specific terminal and xcode settings fully customiseable for you as well. Every complaint bar a physical key have been answered, you can breath again and lower your blood pressure

Yep I saw that 'Esc' key on pretty much every screen, was thinking of @therealseebs

 

[Chomp81]

How are you going to get a Surface book to properly run OS X?

It takes the hacks and kernel fixes from dedicated hackers for you to have just an adequate non-Apple OS X machine. I don't know of a successful notebook in the size of MBP working as a Hackintosh.


The dongles and USB C ports are far easier than the Hackintosh hassle.
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How are you going to get a Surface book to properly run OS X?

It takes the hacks and kernel fixes from dedicated hackers for you to have just an adequate non-Apple OS X machine. I don't know of a successful notebook in the size of MBP working as a Hackintosh.


The dongles and USB C ports are far easier than the Hackintosh hassle.

Thank you for your input.
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Here it is, 8.99$ for 3 USB A adapter.

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-CHOE...&keywords=USB+C+to+USB+A+female+adapter&psc=1

You're welcome
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Well I imagine that any app that doesn't use the particular Touch bar API will have default escape button on top left corner.

And tactile feedback is useful cause it let you know where your fingers are, you "feel" it. On a all touchscreen keyboard it's clearly annoying. However since on the MBP it will only be one row, actually your finger will never really miss since it's the only glass part of the keyboard. I mean, you likely won't ever miss an escape key stroke because there isn't nowhere else to hit, except too much on the right, something that is very unlikely to happen if you are already used to hit escape in the top left corner.

Also, the actual "hit zone" for an escape button could be way bigger than the physical button it replace. It's highly likely that at least some third party app will let you configure the touch bar buttons, and probably that you will be able to actually make the escape button something like 1 1/2 inch wide for example.

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About the Touch bar

Personnally I think that Apple will replace volume and brightness with finger gestures. like 2 fingers slide to the right or left = volume up and down. 3 fingers = brightness up and down.

If it incluse force touch, it could also be "2 fingers hard press = mute on or off" "3 fingers = shut down screen"

I think that it will be used to browse videos, and that the API will let apps use the touch bar for very precise sliders. (I already imagine that Pixelmator folks are already implementing something like that)

However it could also be used to move the dock on the touch bar when you select the option "hide dock", which could actually free a good chunk of screen space for lots of peoples.

I will thank you if you send the dongle to my place, for free. LOL! =)