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What, I am Satan because I WANT this phone to be THE best device on the planet that can do EVERYTHING the competition can do? I mean, does that really make me such a bad guy?

I think the main reason why people get upset when people complain is because of the way they go about it. If I were to say "If the iPhone had the choice of email sounds, it would be that much better", I probably wouldn't get flamed. When you say something like:

Apple touts this phone as being business ready and all of that.

Well I say HOG WASH.

Why oh WHY does this phone only have ONE tone, which sucks and is too low, for emails?

I can change Ring Tones. Even Texting tones.

But don't tout this thing as business ready until you give me an email tone I can actually hear or adjust to hear.

...then it just makes people upset and they don't care what you think. The way you phrased that just makes you look immature. I can understand that you would like this feature, but it's no reason to say it's not a business phone, because many businesses use them.
 
I think the main reason why people get upset when people complain is because of the way they go about it. If I were to say "If the iPhone had the choice of email sounds, it would be that much better", I probably wouldn't get flamed.

This pretty much hits the nail right on the head!
 
Point taken on how I stated my opinion.

But my opinion hasn't changed, and we can always agree to disagree on that.

I think in some businesses, the iPhone would work.

But I think if a company needs emails to be fast, and not missed by their workers ever, then they are better off going with a Blackberry due to message tone customization and volume control.

Is that better? :D
 
But I think if a company needs emails to be fast, and not missed by their workers ever

Ah, a new debate. Cool:).

If a company needs emails to be fast, and not missed by their workers ever then they need slaves, not workers. It's a real pity that people (and I include myself in this) have been conned by their customers/employers into thinking that time spent with family/friends should legitmately be interrupted by them - and we all fell for it. Fortunately I managed to find the off switch before my life went down the corporate slavery route.

http://www.smackberry.co.uk/
 
First of all, it is not a BIG deal for me. If it was a BIG deal for me, the phone would have been returned on day two of me having it. I am not complaining it doesn't do what I want. I am complaining about Apple's FALSE advertisement that this phone is ready for business use when it isn't. (You know, kind of like the ad they had pulled because they were trying to say the phone is way faster than it is.)

Are you seriously suggesting that there is such a strict definition of "business-ready" that the lack of a configurable e-mail notification sound immediately disqualifies the iPhone?

The phone's performance is _far_ easier to quantify than whether or not it is "business-ready". The ad you're referring to got pulled because the wording was ambiguous enough that it could imply that the (altered) UI speed reflected the new generation's increased performance. (That ad actually struck me as a little "off" the first time I saw it -- it reeked of a "faked demo".) To my knowledge, Apple has never released any ad claiming that the iPhone has configurable e-mail notification sounds.

Second, I wasn't smarmy until some fan boy's (look in mirror dude) decided that I didn't have a right to "complain" about something EVERY smart phone on the planet can do........... Except the precious iPhone that is above all criticism. As far as my "grammar" goes, I really don't care about your opinion or what you think it proves. It proves that when I posted that I was in a hurry and nothing else.

The iPhone's not above criticism at all. There are plenty of valid criticisms. Your criticism, in fact, is quite valid. (It's actually one of the things that motivated me to jailbreak in the first place.) What I was addressing was the fact that your response seemed a little silly, especially given that you didn't take the minute or two necessary to check this before you bought it.

The way a person writes is quite telling. Grammatical mistakes (and, to a lesser extent, typos) discredit the writer. If it's not worth your time to proofread your comments, why should someone else pay attention to them?

Third, the first hit in Google that you decided to waste my time with takes me to a HACKING site. Your search proves my point very nicely though, so thanks for sharing it. Unless I want to hack the iPhone and void it's warranty, it can't do something that EVERY other Smart Phone can do.

First, jailbreaking doesn't void your warranty. That's a common misconception. It will render you ineligible for support -- until you flash using stock firmware, at which point you're once again eligible.

You're right though: it's annoying that you have to jailbreak to change the sound. I completely agree. That said, the link did have its intended effect: it provided an answer to the question.

EVERY other Smart Phone can change the volume and or message tone for email.

And you want to defend Apple for that and/or act like I am an ass for complaining about that? ROFL...

No I'm not going to defend them. And I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth. My response to you wasn't defending Apple at all -- I was merely pointing out that you _were_ acting like an ass, not for pointing out a flaw, but for the way in which you pointed it out.

Whatever Fan Boy. Keep going status quo. If everyone in the world was like you, we would still have cars powered by our feet.

Throughout your post you referred to me as a fanboy. I can only guess that you assumed me to be an Apple supporter based on my participation in this forum, or (more likely) based on my response to your vitriolic screed.

That said, I fear you're mistaken. I use three OSs on a daily basis (four on a weekly basis). I spend a large portion of my time working with Linux. I'm currently using a Debian box (running Etch). When shopping for a new laptop, I specifically chose one that I knew would work with both Debian and Slack (side note: the ThinkPad X61s has excellent Linux support, albeit not from Lenovo themselves.) I have never have purchased (and likely never will purchase) an Apple computer at retail prices. I own an iPod (which I haven't used in three years), and have a deep dislike of the iTunes Music Store due to its use of DRM. I'm both manufacturer and OS agnostic.
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I wrote the above before I saw themoonisdown09's post and your response. He is indeed quite correct.

In response to your point:

But I think if a company needs emails to be fast, and not missed by their workers ever, then they are better off going with a Blackberry due to message tone customization and volume control.

I would think that if an employer finds that employees require customizable tones in order to pay attention to what is obviously such a critical communications channel, they might want to rework their hiring process with an eye towards hiring more attentive employees. That said, I'm not a manager or executive, so my input (with regards to corporate communication policies) is close to worthless.

I also agree with cjbryce. Far too many people have the misbelief that they must be able to send and receive e-mail instantly at any time of the day or night. Frankly, most people's e-mail just isn't that important.
 
What apple is doing is staying in Business. They are not gonna make a perfect phone...just like they never make a perfect computer because they want to keep updating the phone and having people buy it, especially the ones who bought the previous models..thats what happened with the 1st generation and then the 3G. in less then a year apple would come up with a new iphone with newer features that are currently missing and the fans would go after to buy the phone. They are doing the same thing that Nokia did, and now apple is going to release a 4gb iphone for 99 bucks to not be affected by competition. I honestly bought the 3g for the first time and I'll probably get a new generation iphone in about 4 years or before this one dies...i'm not going to waste money every 6 months for "supposed new features"
 
Ah, a new debate. Cool:).

If a company needs emails to be fast, and not missed by their workers ever then they need slaves, not workers. It's a real pity that people (and I include myself in this) have been conned by their customers/employers into thinking that time spent with family/friends should legitmately be interrupted by them - and we all fell for it. Fortunately I managed to find the off switch before my life went down the corporate slavery route.

http://www.smackberry.co.uk/
I won't debate you on the home life part of your response. I actually agree with you 100% so there is nothing to argue about. :D

I am more talking about during normal working hours.

I will re-phrase what I mean by telling a story.

It is 2PM on a Monday and I am at a hospital trying to install the vital monitoring software my company sells. The project has been budgeted for money and time and my time is up in 3 hours at 5 and my flight leaves at 6 PM. I have run in to a road block and need the senior technical guy's help. I tried calling, but he did not answer.

So I send him an email to his device.

He is at lunch in a crowded eating establishment and misses the email because he can't here the faint iPhone email tone. (This one line has happened to me countless times, but not in a business sense.) Now, an hour later, he is back at the office and checks his "real email" (as in Outlook), and sees my message. Hour wasted.

When you are billing a customer by the hour, they don't appreciate it. Especially at a Hospital where the budget is limited to begin with.

Now, I am sorry if I offended anyone by being smarmy or calling them a fan boy. But, if you review the threads, my harsh comments directed at other posters were in direct response to people trying to tell me:

  • I need a hearing aid.
  • I am an idiot for not researching THIS before I buy it, which is next to impossible to do.
  • I have no right to complain after deciding to buy the phone.
  • People telling me how unimportant business emails are when they do not know what they are talking about.
What apple is doing is staying in Business. They are not gonna make a perfect phone...just like they never make a perfect computer because they want to keep updating the phone and having people buy it, especially the ones who bought the previous models..thats what happened with the 1st generation and then the 3G. in less then a year apple would come up with a new iphone with newer features that are currently missing and the fans would go after to buy the phone. They are doing the same thing that Nokia did, and now apple is going to release a 4gb iphone for 99 bucks to not be affected by competition. I honestly bought the 3g for the first time and I'll probably get a new generation iphone in about 4 years or before this one dies...i'm not going to waste money every 6 months for "supposed new features"
I offered this as the only viable reason I could see for Apple leaving out the simple features like copy and paste, MMS, better notification tones, etc.

But honestly, other companies, virtually all of them, don't have a problem with coming out with a new device even though their old ones have the simple features.
 
I offered this as the only viable reason I could see for Apple leaving out the simple features like copy and paste, MMS, better notification tones, etc.

But honestly, other companies, virtually all of them, don't have a problem with coming out with a new device even though their old ones have the simple features.

But, do you really think that Apple coming out with cut and paste is going to sell more phones? Heck, most people don't even know the phone doesn't have MMS until it's too late.

Apple makes tons of money off iPods. The way they have always sold more and more of them was not necessarily changing their features (except from the jump to adding videos), but more superficial changes - like offer more colors. I think if Apple offered more iPhone colors, this would put people into a tizzy and they would sell a ton more.
 
I don't think based on copy and paste alone no.

But things like that could be the perks that sway someone from sticking with the current one and upgrading.

I mean, we know that 3G and GPS were not enough to get a LOT of people swayed to switching. Many did, but there are plenty who like their original iPhone and do not want to switch.
 
But, do you really think that Apple coming out with cut and paste is going to sell more phones? Heck, most people don't even know the phone doesn't have MMS until it's too late.

To be fair, I know 20+ people who haven't bought an iPhone on the basis of no MMS or Bluetooth file transfer.

Phazer
 
To be fair, I know 20+ people who haven't bought an iPhone on the basis of no MMS or Bluetooth file transfer.

Phazer

I agree with this, I know a fair few people who where interested in getting an iPhone, as soon as they found out about missing features they changed their mind and looked at alternatives
 
Rat-Boy, thanks for the apologies and change in tone. It's much appreciated.

Now let's get down to the notification problem.

Before your post, I didn't realize that the iPhone only had one notification tone for email. I can certainly see this being an issue when more than one iPhone is present in the room. And I'm sure it's very annoying when you and your wife's iPhone is sitting on the counter. As silly as it sounds, please leave feedback for Apple on the feedback section of their website. I just finished leaving feedback myself on the this very issue (I'm glad you brought it up). With enough feedback, I'm almost certain that Apple will fix this in future updates.

As for your problem with hearing it, I wonder if something is wrong with your iPhone? I'm absolutely serious when I say this: I'm 75% deaf in one ear and I can hear the notification tone across several rooms in my house. It's very distinct to me and I have no problem picking up the sound. Is there any reason to think that your phone produces a lower volume when the notification goes off? Is it the same volume as your wife's?

Bryan
 
No problem Bryan.

They seem to be the same volume.

But we always have a TV on, a 13 year old being a 13 year old and two dogs in the house.

So at home, I don't have high expectations.

But when I am at work, sometimes, I still miss it.

So I guess it could be low or I could really have a hearing problem of some type. I am pretty sure my hearing is ok, but heck, you never know.

Maybe I will go get it checked.
 
Admittedly, my house is pretty quiet. (no kids or background noise) It sounds like you have a lot of background noise!

Well, at any rate, I can certainly see why it frustrates you. Let's hope that Apple addresses this soon!
 
I was messing around with my iPhone and just realized that the volume control for the ringer also controls the volume of the email notification. Have you tried turning yours all the way up? Does that help at all?
 
Yea, its up full blast.

Maybe the one smart ass poster is right, and I am just deaf.

You say somethin? :D
 
No, this is another whining thread about MMS or copy/paste.

I'm just curious to hear your theories as to why Apple has left out some features.

I've heard that a possible reason for lack of MMS is the possibility of sending ringtones and taking business from the iTunes store.

Thoughts?

Doubt it. It's just a matter of what Steve and his team, but mostly Steve, want. If Steve says it, it happens; if he doesn't approve, it's a no go. :rolleyes:
 
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