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A word to the wise is sufficient. How many words do you need?

Your original statement was "If you mean "well" as a noun"

"Doing (noun)" would imply having intercourse. Twitter having intercourse with a deep hole in the ground is non-sensical, therefore I told you to re-read "doing well". Your response is "down is up" doesn't address your severe mistake.

Thanks for playing. Going to end it here. Have a good one.
 
I agree mostly, but the person who posted does still own their content.



I am not entirely sure what you mean by "Others do not own it but they can use it"

Reddit has basically the equivalent to a "copy" of your content. They can do whatever they want with it and you have no right to say what they can and can't do with it. You own your "original" content, but in the digital space that doesn't mean much.

Reddit User Agreement

If you look at section 5 paragraph 4, it pretty clearly spells it out. You "own" it, but by using their service in any way, so does Reddit.
You need to remember one thing, T&C's are not worth the paper or digital space they are written in because time after time they get challenged and lose. T&C's are there to scare users into doing things and not doing things. Also, this thing about a social media company can do what ever they want with what a person posts, no they cannot. Again there are videos on youtube where people have taken Facebook and Instagram to court for using images of a persons profile and using it in commercial applications. A company may claim they can use what you post but as soon as they try to make money of what you post, nope, not going to happen. I remember watching a youtube channel of a photography couple who would post tutorial videos on youtube and post their photo's on Instagram and they notice their photo's were being used by some of Intagrams 'partners/vendors' for commercial gain. The couple would takes these companies to court and guess what, they would win because the judges would say that whilst the T&C's may grant companies a right to use a user pictures, they do not have the right to use them for monetary gain without getting permission from the owners of the work.
 
And the reasonableness depends on certain factors - income and taste in your case. What factors did Reddit use to come up with their $12k number that will force third party apps to close. What factors did Reddit use to determine that 30 days was sufficient for developers to either cough up or do something with their app to reduce API calls?

Nothing. This was a clear move to shut down third party apps for no reason at all.

From Christian (Apollo's Dev; Source)
Go to get a meal out this weekend and when the bill comes for $50, say you only wanted to pay $30 and see what they do to you.
 
That CEO seems like a total tool, even by Reddit standards.

One the one hand he is right, the fake internet outrage on Reddit is generally forgotten a day later.

But obviously, the only way that the outrage doesn't go away is saying it will go away...

Someone needs to have some mercy and create a clone site of Reddit....
I don't think anyone would want to do that now. I wouldn't. Because the 'community' just proved that if they don't like something they will try and hold you hostage. That is not something you can build a business on.
 
On the surface, this sounds like you're suggesting that people will spam the subs specifically to kill off Reddit. I'm sure that's not what you really meant... but just to clarify:

I agree that uncontrolled spam is likely what will kill Reddit, in the event that the community mods all either get blocked or pull up stakes and move on, but not because of anything that the mods or the boycotters do. Rather, it'll be an obvious natural consequence of what the mods are no longer doing.
No, I could see people spamming Reddit on purpose to make it unusable. People are that vindictive.
 
THIS comment reeks of ignorance. Reddit is a private company and can charge what they want, for any reason they want to, and in any time frame they choose to offer. I'm sure their lawyers researched and made sure they were not breaking any laws. What's next, complaining that Apple is charging you $3499 for their headset? What makes these 3rd party devs entitled to get discount pricing? And if Reddit's only motivation is to put them out of business, which I agree that seems to be exactly the case, again so what? How many companies has Apple put out of business to further their business goals? Probably a lot, but I don't see anyone up in arms over that.

"...the issue is that those devs are now complaining when Reddit decided to start charging for the APIs" Nothing about that comment is untrue, that's EXACTLY what these devs are doing. If their business model doesn't work with the new API pricing then they need to figure out a new one.
Go to get a meal out this weekend and when the bill comes for $50, say you only wanted to pay $30 and see what they do to you.

LMAO. These analogies don't even apply. My goodness.
 
Of course people have the right to be unhappy and complain, I've never contested that at all. Even though the blackouts are affecting MY ability to use Reddit, I'm still not complaining myself. Just to be clear, if Reddit went the way of Digg and another company became the leader I also couldn't care less, but I also realize that none of these companies, INCLUDING these 3rd party devs that are complaining so loudly, care one iota about me personally other than as a means to profit.

I am not saying the blackout won’t suck for existing users. I am hoping it will amount to something and all be worth it in the long run.
 
I am quite certain that the storm blows over in few weeks and 99% of the users and communities are back. If not, Reddit always has the option of taking over the communities (making them public again) and leaving admin seats up for grabs. That would raise another hailstorm, but would be better than losing those communities.
I don't see how they could do this without it becoming a total disaster. I do not believe Reddit has staffing to help find the appropriate "scabs" to fill moderation spots, and they certainly don't have the staffing to do it themselves.

Appropriate moderation is (for an example) part of their requirement for having an app in the Google and Apple stores. It is also a necessity for them to get high-quality advertisers to invest in the site. Relying on say NSFW filters to prevent pornography on 30+ million subscriber subreddits is playing Russian roulette with a fully loaded gun.


And now it looks like Reddit will be doing exactly that:
If a moderator team unanimously decides to stop moderating, we will invite new, active moderators to keep these spaces open and accessible to users. If there is no consensus, but at least one mod wants to keep the community going, we will respect their decisions and remove those who no longer want to moderate from the mod team.

My guess is that there will be a short burst of anger and some mods exiting. And in couple of weeks Reddit continues being Reddit.
 
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No, I could see people spamming Reddit on purpose to make it unusable. People are that vindictive.
In that case, I strongly disagree with you -- and eltoslightfoot's post (immediately before this response) effectively illustrates why: for the folks at Reddit to enact their recently publicized mod blocking threat, they would have to find capable mods willing to step into the void for over five thousand newly "abandoned" subs. That's not a small ask, even in the best of circumstances... and if Reddit goes through with it, they'll be facing the exact opposite of "the best of circumstances", as they will have further eroded the trust that all existing mods had in them. After all, if you're one of the newly designated mods, what's to say you won't be the next person to get the boot, when you happen to disagree with some policy decision made by Reddit management?

Furthermore, I would suggest that you may be underestimating the time and effort that these dedicated mods have been putting into their respective subs; spam is a huge problem for such public forums. Even if they find all new mods, the ousting of all of those experienced mods is the kind of thing that will be felt very quickly, and may last for quite a long time before the issue gets back under control -- if it ever does.

So the notion of how vindictive people can be is really rather moot... because it won't be even remotely necessary to lash out in the fashion you suggest. Or to put it another way: When a house made out of kindling catches on fire, most people are smart enough to stay the heck away from the flames, so they don't get burnt themselves.
 
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Your original statement was "If you mean "well" as a noun"

"Doing (noun)" would imply having intercourse. Twitter having intercourse with a deep hole in the ground is non-sensical, therefore I told you to re-read "doing well". Your response is "down is up" doesn't address your severe mistake.

Thanks for playing. Going to end it here. Have a good one.
On the basis of that performance, you’re a speechwriter for Boris Johnson, I’m guessing.
 

5032/8829 subreddits are currently dark.​


I'm glad I already left. Sounds like things are getting worse over there. Anyone have an alternative?

Even if each subreddit needed only a single effective mod (ha!), the purge would need 5000 replacement mods. Reddit would be paying full-time staffers to vet/assign the free volunteers. This *will* cost them money unless they're up to speed and effective a few months before IPO time.

The things working in Reddit's favor are that it's a huuuge community of communities and they don't really have to care about spam. Traffic is traffic. I'm not a serious investor, but I've read a few articles lately about the dearth of IPOs in the past few months, so investors may be willing to look past the current state of things for a chance at hitting the lottery.
 
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I'm glad I already left. Sounds like things are getting worse over there. Anyone have an alternative? ...

There are options -- though, I'm guessing that none are currently anywhere close to as prominent as Reddit has become. One such alternative was linked earlier in this thread:

 
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What an unsurprising ending to this fiasco
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  • Only a minority of the community wants a blackout
  • Apollo should be removed or start paying their fair share of server costs
  • mods refuse to resign because the blackout was a powertrip move to begin with and has nothing to do with the community
 
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  • Only a minority of the community wants a blackout
Of those who have voted thus far, that is correct.

(Note that the poll is still open at present, so if you haven't voted and still care one way or the other, perhaps you should consider doing so.)

  • Apollo should be removed or start paying their fair share of server costs

That is an uninformed red herring; feel free to run the numbers. If you are disinclined to do the math yourself, you're in luck... because I've already run them for you, earlier in this thread.
 
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Of those who have voted thus far, that is correct.

(Note that the poll is still open at present, so if you haven't voted and still care one way or the other, perhaps you should consider doing so.)



That is an uninformed red herring; feel free to run the numbers. If you are disinclined to do the math yourself, you're in luck... because I've already run them for you, earlier in this thread.

Let's rephrase it then... Reddit wants to attain profitability and have a clean balance sheet for their upcoming IPO and is forcing 3rd party devs out by using exorbitant pricing for their previously provided for free APIs. You know what, I'm 100% ok with that. Just because Reddit is the larger entity doesn't mean they are an evil corporation, they are trying to become profitable JUST like Apollo is with his 500k/year gross income. This whole Reddit = evil corporation, Apollo = altruistic man of the people schtick gets kind of old really fast. Don't get me wrong, I'm no lover of Reddit corporate, but I am getting annoyed with not being able to access subreddits because of a minority of users defending a for-profit developer.
 
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