It is like asking Facebook users to pay for Facebook.
Or Google users being asked to pay for Google.
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Or Google users being asked to pay for Google.
I don't know, because I don't use Twitter, and am not interested in a Twitter like service.
This reddit situation really boils down to the following:
* Reddit for some insane reason hasn't been charging for API access the way all other major social media companies do, and deciding to do that now isn't some insane act of evil.
* Some third party apps will not be able to afford the cost. That's life.
* The CEO for whatever reason has chosen to be disingenuous about the entire situation, which definitely makes things questionable, but ultimately, it's not hugely relevant to the user experience of being on/using reddit.
* The lack of 3rd party apps that users prefer over Reddits interface is a legitimate concern, but given Reddits API policy moving forward, it would make sense for users to ask for a better UX, similar to the third party apps they prefer.
* Reddit should just buy Apollo and RIF, and employ their creators to run mobile at reddit.
The $20 million is based on it's current active user base, which translates to $1.99 per cost for every user.
You simply cost $1.99 so Apollo simply needs to charge every single user $1.99 for the paid app.
Yes and no. Both of them do charge for API access but they have a free tier and some types of data request differ in cost and so on. Charging for API access is more common than not.
And as I said, there aren't enough paying members to make your magical numbers work. Every single user won't pay. So you then have no choice but to force a subscription on everyone which then reduces your number significantly which in turn means it will never be 1.99.
No, what I meant was end users with free personal accounts. Not software devs asking for APIs.
What do you mean? If Apollo has only 1 user, it will still work as long as that user pays $1.99 per month.
The $20 million is based on an average 900.000 daily user base. Now do the math.
So basically entitlement that people need to get everything for free and go on an outrage if an app like Apollo needs to turn into a paid app that costs $1.99 per month.
The world of numbers doesn't fit in a perfect box when you are paying a tiered amount for API calls. you pay x amount for each x API calls. Even if it was as simple as you suggest, what if that one single user used more than expected? You are immediately in the red. What if 5,000 used more? You could be up **** creek if you can't cover it.
Some months you will win, others you might lose. But you need a lot of users and a decent buffer in case of those months you might lose. This is all fine if you are a decent-sized developer with a good income, many of the ones like Apollo are not.
I wouldn't use that language or risk getting suspeneded for hurt feelings but that's essentially it. 🤣
Reminds me of Mac users demanding that decade+ Macs still receive Software Updates way past the budgeted support life.
According to the polls some of these subs did, the turn out for voting was 1-3% of users subbed, and most did not want the blackout.
So again, 99% don't care and those that claim to have no understanding of what is going on and just see Reddit trying to take down a lowly developer who has in fact made millions off of Reddits work.
Is that paid users? Appolo has 900k daily users according to the developer. He states it makes 7bn API calls per month.
vs >500m active monthly users globally.
That's less than 0.2% active users?
Percentage-wise there are likely more Mac Pro users demanding i9 & 4090.
Reddit CEO's move to remove mods and let the 99+% users who do not care back in is correct.
I wouldn't be surprised that the 900k daily users create at least 20% of the content but the readers who do not use Apollo are who see the ads.
Reddit will not back down, and the fact remains the mods or any user does not own any sub they create or mod. It belongs to Reddit. If people care, they will need to stop using reddit full stop. But I doubt that will happen.
The guy in the phone call mentioned the $10 million, and then paused, and then said it was a joke. Was it? From his description, and then actually hearing the call, I expected a different exchange. I came to the conclusion that he was asking for 10 million to go away. Just my personal opinion. I use Apollo and love it, i am no fan of Reddit, but my gut says he wanted the money, and I don't blame him. But I can see why Reddit will not back down.
The guy in the phone call mentioned the $10 million, and then paused, and then said it was a joke. Was it? From his description, and then actually hearing the call, I expected a different exchange. I came to the conclusion that he was asking for 10 million to go away. Just my personal opinion. I use Apollo and love it, i am no fan of Reddit, but my gut says he wanted the money, and I don't blame him. But I can see why Reddit will not back down.
That’s my thought as well, but lots of people are defending Apollo for no other reasons than big corp vs small little guy.
He did in fact try to blackmail Reddit, got caught, and wiggled out of it. He wants money and now that’s over. I submitted a request for a refund as well. I want me $4.xx back.
This is a fact far too many in many different social spaces seem to keep forgetting.
Maybe, but this is not nearly enough to be confident that it was blackmail, or extortion or whatever. IMHO unless Reddit sues the guy, I don't even consider Reddit itself to actually believe it in the first place.
To be clear I am not suggesting he was attempting to blackmail Reddit, just that he was asking for $10 million because who wouldn't? And he tried to play it off as a joke because it showed he was prepared to sell out. Nothing wrong with that. Business is business. It's his app.
June 30th is when I delete my account and block all reddit domains in my PC firewall and Android settings. I lived with bulletin boards and forums before reddit. I will do it again.
I tried out the official app and it's such an atrocious POS, I simply cannot tolerate it on iOS. On Android, at least I have the option to patch it using ReVanced and get rid of the ads and promos.
I tried out the official app and it's such an atrocious POS, I simply cannot tolerate it on iOS. On Android, at least I have the option to patch it using ReVanced and get rid of the ads and promos.
I mean you can't say that because 20 million in API fees was just absurd.
that is not what I saw in the comments unless you seriously cherry pick, by far the majority of critical responses were savaging the mods for giving in too quickly
Life moves on. Nothing lasts forever. New things replace old things. If folks have worked for free to moderate sub Reddits they did so willingly. Likely all parties share some blame so move on. This is a pimple on the backside of an elephant in comparison to the big problems out there.