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Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators From Subreddits Continuing Apollo-Related Blackouts

GizmoDVD said:
There really isn't much backlash as most Redditors don't care or know who "that Apollo guy is". They are just annoyed they couldn't find their funny cat videos for a few days. MacRumors is loving the traffic so they've been posting about it non-stop, but in reality, most subreddits are back open and Reddit might see a 5% reduction in members, half of which will come back mid July under new, fresh names. It's so short lived. "Everyone uses the Apollo App and the Reddit app is trash:" is hysterical since he only has 50,000 paying subs, and the Reddit app is perfectly fine for 99% of people.

I do love the reversal going on - hate Reddit for wanting to actually make profit on something they created, host and having hundreds of employees ... and multi-millionaire Apollo who does nothing but leech off of them for free for almost a decade and is apparently the victim here.
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Ah, I didn't know or care about Apollo either. Still don't.

But I did see the conversation and the long AMA the CEO made where he acted like a petulant child and threw out accusations.

Then I blocked reddit in my DNS so I wouldn't be tempted to go back.

I haven't missed the cat posts at all. I get that on other social media. My tech stuff is all over the place - slashdot, hackernews, ars, here.. among other places.. kinda ashamed to say I rediscovered macrumors lol.

Realized the groups on instagram/facebook were actually better resources for some of my hobbies than the subreddits - one of which had become more of a thrist trap lately than a discussion board....

Honestly it just reminded me of other places I could hang out. I'm also watching some of the lemmy groups explode in size - but those are mostly tech oriented and I am worried about the (current) lack of moderation. I applied for beehaw but they have a manual process that is (unsurprisingly) totally overwhelmed right now.

So let's jump back from me to reddit here: It's shocking how bad they mismanaged the company to ONLY NOW realize that they were bleeding cash and need to take drastic measures to shore things up.

Anyway, as far as I can tell, the API change didn't have anything to do with apollo or 3rd party apps in the first place - it was because companies were training their AI models against posts people were making on reddit. Companies like Microsoft, who will make far more money off ChatGPT than Apollo did off their app lol. The fact that the idiot CEO has carved out exceptions for almost every other tool/app other than Apollo and Reddit is Fun .. kinda indicates this is more of a personal grudge than anything.

But yea, I don't really care anymore. I'm one of the (apparently 0.0001%) of people that probably won't be back. Or maybe I will in July under a different name as you said! Those cat pictures man. People do things for them. Hahhahahah
 
steve123 said:
Reddit is not profitable. So, if Apollo is siphoning cash away from their path to profitability then Reddit has to stop the bleed.

The "blackmail" comment is likely correct. The Apollo developer likely asked for $10M to go away. Reddit's CEO refused. The board should fire the CEO because he did not make that deal and this whole thing blew up and will end up costing them way more.
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The conversation was recorded it proves the ceo was lying through his teeth
 
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NT1440 said:
The CEO vs “power hungry” unpaid labor that keeps makes the service function in the first place.

What a tough decision 🙄
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AI will be able to moderate without
shawnforever said:
I have, once. It was a permaban where he also muted me from even contacting him to appeal the ban, but I somehow got in touch in other ways, apologized for any misperceptions about the situation, and he eventually apologized himself for overreacting and let me back in. But it was enough of a power-trip to really make me question the power these moderators have. It's an issue because especially for more niche subjects, a sub may be one of the only places on the internet to talk about it. Permaban reform is definitely something I'd like to see. Right now reddit allows mods to permaban a user for any reason whatsoever. I'd like to see more standard criteria and not "this person annoyed me."
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never apologize to those people. Ugh.
 
macduke said:
I called this. Although I figured they would disable making subreddits private instead of removing moderators. This is even dumber.

If anything this should encourage more subreddits to join and continue the blackout. They can’t replace all the mods.

I’m sure paying thousands of employees to moderate your site while also getting zero dollars from API usage will really help out your IPO, lmao.
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Nobody is paid to moderate..,
 
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It is my personal hope, that any moderators removed from Reddit ban together in a class action lawsuit demanding back wages for the work they put into the site.

While I doubt the lawsuit would win, it would derail the IPO and kill the payout that Reddit CEO Steve Huffman is expecting. That will be justice enough.

I don't care about the reddit moderators, what irritates me is the entitlement mentality of narcissistic jerk CEO's like Steve Huffman.
 
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strongy said:
The conversation was recorded it proves the ceo was lying through his teeth
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We have only been presented with the recording of one of their conversations and that only happened because of the incompetence of the Reddit CEO. Before this became a big public spectacle they were likely communicating privately. Go ahead and ask the Apollo guy and see what he says. While you are at it, ask the Apollo guy to release all of his emails with Reddit.
 
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Attirex said:
Ah, Reddit. Where someone's grocery delivery service accidentally buys eight *bunches* of bananas, instead of eight bananas. And this is such an amazing and hilarious viral experience that it needs to be shared with the world, complete with photos. :rolleyes:
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Oh no, I missed that one! I'll have to wait at least two days before someone reposts it and gets another million karma things.
 
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Breaking Good said:
It is my personal hope, that any moderators removed from Reddit ban together in a class action lawsuit demanding back wages for the work they put into the site.

While I doubt the lawsuit would win, it would derail the IPO and kill the payout that Reddit CEO Steve Huffman is expecting. That will be justice enough.

I don't care about the reddit moderators, what irritates me is the entitlement mentality of narcissistic jerk CEO's like Steve Huffman.
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That is a topic you could start on r/antiwork and would get like 500 upvotes by the end of the day. They love that 'never going to happen' stuff while they work a grueling 15 hours a week at Jack in the Box complaining how terrible the General Manager is and how they know how to run an entire business!
 
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r/Apple rolled over pretty quickly didn't they? A couple of days ago they were going dark indefinitely and are now back open.

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So they wanted the best for the community, but really these unpaid Mods feared for their unpaid roles...
 
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fastspinecho said:
It doesn't take any work at all, if you don't mind a subreddit filled with posts about apple pies. Or, for that matter, Viagra ads.

On the other hand, if you want someone to monitor the content to delete the off-topic posts and spam, then you'll need a mod or three. Funny how everyone seems to assume that someone else will do this job for them. For free.
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Whooo ...great job! I'm sure it takes an IQ of 150 to distinguish between Apple Pies and Apple Macs. There is nothing special about what these mods do. The subreddit belongs to the users who contribute to it, not the self-appointed mods. Who the hell are they to take it down? Petty, self-important ******.

The main point is that the mods didn't do this in defense of the users or the subreddit itself. They threw a tantrum, and held users hostage just because they wanted to support third-party developers against Reddit in a purely financial dispute, which nothing to do with users, or the subject, of this subreddit. Mods who think they are better than the users of a subreddit should be kicked to the curb. Someone else will be happy to take over.

attila said:
Fascists gotta fascist, I guess. Reddit admin has only ever worked for their own personal gain, not the users'. Subreddit moderators are just rows in a database to them.
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Whose benefit do the mods work for? Not the users, whose content was made inaccessible because these petty bureaucrats decided to throw a tantrum. The users didn't benefit from these shenanigans, especially because the mods folded the moment their status as mods was threatened. That's proof that they care about themselves and not the users. The mods are no better than you say the Reddit admins are.

vipergts2207 said:
Because without mods each sub becomes a mini 4chan.
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But not without these specific mods .... You do realize that there are thousands of people on the internet who will gladly take their place, right? And, all without acting like petty tyrants that shut the sub down when they get pissed off, and depriving users of the content that the users themselves created! If you can't see that, you have an outsize sense of your own importance and the 'job' that the mods do.

CapitalIdea said:
No one owes you free labor.
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Nobody wants your 'free' labor, especially when you act like a child and shut down a subreddit over an issue that has nothing to do with the users. Good riddance ...
 
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LeeW said:
r/Apple rolled over pretty quickly didn't they? A couple of days ago they were going dark indefinitely and are now back open.

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So they wanted the best for the community, but really these unpaid Mods feared for their unpaid roles...
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😆 See, that is all you need to know about the scum bag mods over there. Total power trips rolling over just to hold on.
 
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But not without these specific mods .... You do realize that there are thousands of people on the internet who will gladly take their place, right? And, all without acting like petty tyrants that shut the sub down when they get pissed off, and depriving users of the content that the users themselves created! If not, you have an outsize sense of your own importance and the 'job' that the mods do.
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It would be interesting to have the Reddit users themselves weight on the matter democratically, otherwise how do you know whether the mods are "tyrants" acting against the wishes of the users, or whether the users actually support the mods in the protest?

If the latter were to be true, it would technically be Reddit's management the "tyrant" if they remove the mods against the wishes of the users.
 
macsplusmacs said:
Wow. This CEO scumbag can't stop lying.

www.theverge.com

RIF developer counters Reddit CEO’s claims that he didn’t want to work with Reddit

“I am willing to work with Reddit.”
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com


Remember he lied about the Apollo developer too claiming that the Apollo dev was "blackmailing" reddit.


https://www.reddit.com/r/SlightlyColdStories/comments/144ic0v

This CEO defiantly wants to be the Musk of Reddit.
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So Huffman has now proven to have flatly outright lied to some media about his dealings with 2 3rd party reddit apps. There is lots of media making reports about how Trump has 'lied' on various stuff. The UK media is currently going ham over fist over it's ex prime minister 'lying' so why isn't the world of tech media going to town on Huffman for lying about how he has dealt with 2 3rd party reddit app developers who have evidence of him lying. Could it be that the tech world does not consider reddit to be an important part of the tech world?
 
laptech said:
So Huffman has now proven to have flatly outright lied to some media about his dealings with 2 3rd party reddit apps. There is lots of media making reports about how Rump has 'lied' on various stuff. The UK media is currently going ham over fist over it's ex prime minister 'lying' so why isn't the world of tech media going to town on Huffman for lying about how he has dealt with 2 3rd party reddit app developers who have evidence of him lying. Could it be that the tech world does not consider reddit to be an important part of the tech world?
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Unsure as to why.
 
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