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Reddit Threatens to Remove Moderators From Subreddits Continuing Apollo-Related Blackouts
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There will always be a readily available supply of unpaid moderators willing and eager to take their place.
"You're allowed to protest but only in the way that we let you, which is not at all."
Good one, Reddit.
Good one, Reddit.
Reddit absolutely does not enforce the moderator COC, and claiming they do is the funniest thing I've seen since Lincoln Chafee tried to make switching to metric a plank of his campaign platform.
Apollo should do for kbin what Tweetbot/Ivory did for Mastodon. Apollo is the Reddit community’s preferred method of using the site. Keep Apollo around but redirect it to kbin. The familiar, polished experience would drive an exodus from Reddit to the open source alternative.
I was told Twitter would be dead by now. 🤣
People will take over as mods. If they’re any good as moderators is a different story.
I was thinking the same thing.
And let's say there were costs involved... he could TOTALLY get people like me to send in $20 or more or less! all of it would go to AfterReddit™
It would be huge.
Their ad dollars are down 65%.
Just give it a little more time and they will be.
But, to be fair to Enron, he stopped paying rent on his offices, did not pay severance packages like he said, did not payout stock options like he said, fired his Janitor stack without delay... so that did let twitter last a bit longer...
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Federated stuff will never succeed on the mass market. People really need to understand that.
The developer of Apollo actually addressed that in an interview with The Verge and said that basically it'd be too much work to rip out and replace the Reddit-specific parts of the app. I'd imagine someone will likely just build an Apollo clone for Kbin eventually, but I think the underlying service needs to get a lot more robust first.
Its not a question of what is just but who has a legal right, Reddit will win.
Hilarious. They're likely cash flow positive by now.
But I'll check back with you in a year.
glad Reddit is treating this for what it is, a stupid temper tantrum from certain mods. remove them and force it to be unprivate.
Lose a bunch of volunteer moderators? no problem, there are hundreds if not thousands who would easily slip into that position.
it's stupid.
Lose a bunch of volunteer moderators? no problem, there are hundreds if not thousands who would easily slip into that position.
it's stupid.
Ok. sounds good.
They are not cash positive right now, though. Even with laying off and firing 2/3s of the company.
I mean, you save a lot of money by simply not paying your bills like they’re doing in rent.
For regular people that would get you in trouble. For business though apparently you can just choose to do that until you’re evicted.
Real great leadership decisions there 🙄
Time for the moderators to play hardball back and delete all the content of the subreddits.
Huffman is full of **** about third party clients not adding much to reddit. It’s literally unusable without them due to his awful design approvals for the website.
I guess there’s nothing stopping them from restoring the content from backups and removing all protesting mods. You know kind of like a military coup where they replace the resistors with appointees based on loyalty to the new regime. That’s definitely the comparison he’s inviting.
Huffman is full of **** about third party clients not adding much to reddit. It’s literally unusable without them due to his awful design approvals for the website.
I guess there’s nothing stopping them from restoring the content from backups and removing all protesting mods. You know kind of like a military coup where they replace the resistors with appointees based on loyalty to the new regime. That’s definitely the comparison he’s inviting.
Is that because they don't pay their rent or sever bills? They're currently getting evicted from some of their offices, they're being sued for millions of dollars, they have next to no paying subscribers, and advertisers are steering clear of them because their community is rife with hate-speech and literal nazis.
Just because they're bringing in money doesn't mean they're profitable.
I told my office landlord last week I was going to be the next Elon Musk.
He told me, "that's great!"
Then I told him, don't expect another rent check from me... ever.
He told me, "that's great!"
Then I told him, don't expect another rent check from me... ever.
Glad Macrumors is continuing to report on this! To those who disagree with the r/apple mods' decision, keep this in mind:
1. These mods need moderation tools exclusively available in 3rd party apps to do their job—a job they do for free.
2. CEO of Reddit accused the Apollo creator of blackmail for $10 million. When the Apollo creator released the phone call proving the Reddit CEO was lying, the Reddit CEO doubled down with no proof.
3. Reddit 3rd party apps have far better accessibility tools. Reddit says they will waive fees for accessibility apps, but the best accessibility features are in the apps that have to shut down.
4. Reddit said as recently as this year that there would be no paid API. Then, after revealing that the API would cost money, they said it would be nothing like the Twitter API pricing. Also untrue.
5. Most importantly, the Apollo developer isn't even against Reddit charging for APIs. His main problem isn't even the pricing. His issue is that Reddit gave only 30 days notice, which is far from enough time for these developers to completely rewrite their apps to use far fewer API calls. For Apollo, this would mean reducing costs from $20 million per year to low millions, which is far more feasible.
It is clear that Reddit API pricing and the transition window only exist to kill 3rd party apps without outright banning them.
1. These mods need moderation tools exclusively available in 3rd party apps to do their job—a job they do for free.
2. CEO of Reddit accused the Apollo creator of blackmail for $10 million. When the Apollo creator released the phone call proving the Reddit CEO was lying, the Reddit CEO doubled down with no proof.
3. Reddit 3rd party apps have far better accessibility tools. Reddit says they will waive fees for accessibility apps, but the best accessibility features are in the apps that have to shut down.
4. Reddit said as recently as this year that there would be no paid API. Then, after revealing that the API would cost money, they said it would be nothing like the Twitter API pricing. Also untrue.
5. Most importantly, the Apollo developer isn't even against Reddit charging for APIs. His main problem isn't even the pricing. His issue is that Reddit gave only 30 days notice, which is far from enough time for these developers to completely rewrite their apps to use far fewer API calls. For Apollo, this would mean reducing costs from $20 million per year to low millions, which is far more feasible.
It is clear that Reddit API pricing and the transition window only exist to kill 3rd party apps without outright banning them.
seems like Steve is the one having a temper tantrum, given he is threatening unpaid mods who have a thankless job for not kissing his tuchus
Mods can be replaced. Steve just needs to pull the plug remove the ability to privatize the communities and delete the mods.
Twitter is being sued by everyone and their mother for not paying their bills... Including being sued by Google and AWS
OK Reddit. Good luck finding people wanting to do all that unpaid labor lmao.
A little design-thinking workshop could help the Reddit execs quite a bit. They're so focused on gatekeeping their API, they've forgotten WHY they want to gatekeep it in the first place -- increasing revenue. Seems like there are a number of easier ways to increase revenue without alienating your most important and dedicated users.