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Am I really the only person in the world who actually likes the Touch Bar?

Much like the idea of the iPhone replacing physical buttons depending on app context - it's actually useful when compared to a row of utterly useless buttons marked "F". I don't understand the hatred, or why Apple are caving
No, it's grown on me. In certain applications I find it quite handy, giving fast access to tool settings and shortcuts. Like typing, after a while it's in the fingers. And scrubbing past adverts on YouTube, priceless. On my old Macs I used the F row keys almost exclusively for volume. And getting to the function commands is the same keystroke anyway. I'll manage without it, but rather than seeing it go I'd like it bigger.
 
I don’t follow what you’re trying to say.
I think he's saying that you might as well get a pro-grade laptop today, and get a spec greater than your current needs, because otherwise you'll find yourself needing to upgrade more frequently. After 4 years, the "pro" machine you bought will just be the ordinary consumer level, so you will avoid being under-gunned in the future by over-gunning today.
 
For all those worried, Apple will keep the MBP Touch Bar. It’ll just be a virtual TB on the screen, simply triggered by the re-integrated real Function Key row.

Throw in Dynamic Pictographic individual OLED keys, 14” Screen and FaceID, we’ll have a winner.
 
I'm so torn. I don't really need the power of a Pro, but I also don't want to get the M1 Air and have a 2011-era laptop design for the next few years if something modern is right around the corner.
Do you buy a Mac for its looks? Can looks create a word document, presentation, do coding or a plethora of other essential tasks? Are you wanting to get a new design so you can brag to other people, that you got the new Mac? If not, why spend extra money on a pro model when the Air fits your needs? Buy the Mac for the hardware and integration ability not its looks. Its not an investment. It is a disposable item.
 
If they are adding hdmi I seriously hope its standard not mini hdmi. if its mini you would have a port that basically still needs an adapter and it would be no different than having a usb c port with a dongle on it for hdmi. also I hope they add a USB A port to eliminate adapters entirely. Unfortunately with apples obsession to make things as thin as possible I have a feeling even if we do get an hdmi port it will end up being mini and we will still end up needing a dongle. just a different kind.
 
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I am glad at least this screen does not come with a notch.
honestly, I think the touchbar could be good if implemented correctly. Apple's version of it was bad I think.

So basically a total repudiation of the 2016 redesign. Good, it’s about time. I’m glad they can admit their mistakes.

I would like to see the iSheep that thought Apple is so advanced to bring the 2016 Macbooks with butterfly keyboards and dropping all ports. I remember that argument, being "future proof" ... that future has yet to come 🤣 thank you for beta testing.

I wonder how many of the new design changes were originally vetoed by Jony Ive but now that he's no longer at the company, they're going ahead with those changes.

Hey I don't like hating on Ive. Ive designs is responsible for what Apple is today. The original iPod, iPhone, iPad, Macbooks, iMac, Macbook Air...that was all Ive...Ive and Jobs. Thier designs set standards and inspiration to other companies and designers. Maybe he went overboard without Jobs guidance though later on.
 
I don't understand the rabid love for MagSafe in the first place. Yeah, it was quick and easy to attach / detach, but not really harder to plug in a USB-C cord - into ANY of the four ports.

There are plenty of options for a magnetic insert for USB-C. I picked up two that support USB 3.1 transfer speed, DP, and PD. Cost me $30 total. I didn't get them to protect my Mac from being pulled off the table - cannot actually recall that ever even being a risk before, but YMMV. I use them as a quick and dirty "switch" for my USB-C PD monitor (with speakers, webcam, and wired ethernet) to switch between my work Intel MBP and personal M1 MBA.
Speaking as someone whose kid almost knocked their laptop over the other day I think very strongly otherwise. Also, it’s just flat out easier to plug and unplug with one hand. It was a great design and hopefully will be again.
 
We're getting closer and closer to the modern day version of the legendary 2015 MacBook Pro and I must say this excites me. Can't wait to see the full reveal, it should be quite a show indeed.
 
What really is a thunderbolt port?
i know what that does, but why is not just a usb c?

tl;dr

Thunderbolt 3 ports look exactly the same as USB-C ports, and indeed, the connector is physically the same from a plug-in perspective. In many cases, they can do everything that a USB-C port can, except much faster. Indeed, Thunderbolt 3 is a superset of USB-C; you can plug a USB-C-only device into a Thunderbolt 3 port on a computer, and it'll work just fine.
 
Why do all of these mockups show a screen with rounded corners? That would be such an ugly design choice for a laptop.
 
I like this idea of MagSafe, HDMI and SD card coming back as it becomes clear that those ports will not change design any time soon. I just hope the MagSafe still detachable to the power brick and connects via USBC on the power brick end.

I wonder what if Apple keeps the Touch Bar by adding another row at the top of the function keys? As they're some use case for it but not much. Though considering the cost increase of MiniLED and all the addition of ports and etc. I guess they'll axed it in favour of reducing the cost as I would guess the TouchBar module adds quite a bit to the laptop costs.
 
So basically a total repudiation of the 2016 redesign. Good, it’s about time. I’m glad they can admit their mistakes.
Spicy phrasing and oh so right. Good riddance.

Because Touch Bar is terrible.

The worst part is that the touch bar would be a great option if it were both optional, and if selected, were there in addition to the function keys. So touch-bar above the existing function keys!

Next step reverse back to OS X 10.6 design
The last macOS version that felt like macOS. More than aesthetics, I can't pin it down, but something about the idiosyncrasies of the older macOS UI paradigm just felt comfy. Helps that is was also super fast!



Now here's my Wishlist:
- Magsafe
- SD reader
- onboard ethernet
- battery meter
- keep the headphone jack
- socketed SSD
 
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Do you buy a Mac for its looks? Can looks create a word document, presentation, do coding or a plethora of other essential tasks? Are you wanting to get a new design so you can brag to other people, that you got the new Mac? If not, why spend extra money on a pro model when the Air fits your needs? Buy the Mac for the hardware and integration ability not its looks. Its not an investment. It is a disposable item.
Design is about more than looks. A redesign could bring features like FaceID, which I think could be very useful on a laptop, as well as binging back some beloved ports that I miss, such as MagSafe and the SD card slot.

The Air fits my needs in terms of computing power but could definitely be better in other ways. And even if it was a perfect match, there’s nothing wrong with wanting a newer design. If I’m buying a new laptop and planning to hang into it for a while, what’s the issue with wanting the most up-to-date machine?
 
Because Touch Bar is terrible. Anyone who knows how to type is looking at the screen, not the keyboard. But it is impossible to use the Touch Bar without looking at it. And since no pressure is required to press the “keys” on the Touch Bar, high speed typists are constantly accidentally triggering touchbar functions by merely brushing it with stray fingers. So it actually makes the computer *worse* for a lot of people - we can’t even pretend the touchbar doesn’t exist.
Agreed 100%. There is very little that annoys me more than typing away and repeatedly hitting Siri, then having that screen show up asking me what I need.
 
Man...every rumor I read about these new laptops....just makes me even more eager to get one...the smoke is getting thicker...the laptops are coming soon!
 
Agreed 100%. There is very little that annoys me more than typing away and repeatedly hitting Siri, then having that screen show up asking me what I need.
I can’t even begin to imagine how wildly your hands have to flail for your fingers to hit stuff off the keyboard completely

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