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I got my theory - which I never claimed is anything but that, yet which I still hold as being very likely even if some engineers moved over - from a long term friend of the husband of the lesbian lover of the mother of the nursery school teacher whose niece knows a nurse who was in the emergency room when Richard Gere went in to have a mole removed.
 
I got my theory - which I never claimed is anything but that, yet which I still hold as being very likely even if some engineers moved over...

Really? So now you are saying your thoughts were just a theory, or a guess? This sounds pretty definitive to me:

the story about pulling developers from OS 10.5 to have them work on the iPhone was pure distraction that everyone swallowed hook, line, and sinker.

At least you admit you have no factual basis for this theory.

Which we all pretty much knew anyway.
 
Never mind that the 8-core Mac Pro came out some time around April, I can't help thinking that this is "Life of Brian" logic (witches float, she floats, therefore she's a witch, let's burn her). :)

Holy Grail! So if she weighs the same as a duck, then she's made of wood! And therefore? A WITCH!!! BURN HER!!!
 
I never claimed otherwise, James. Pure speculation - but it's based on having been around the block.

And knelto - I'm so embarrased! At one point I and all my friends could recite every Monte Python line from every film and show.

The scary part is that this was over 30 years ago now...
 
Refurbished or really new?

I have no way of proving this, but I am convinced that the majority of Apple refurbished products are indeed new. I have been an Apple buyer since 1995 and about 25% of our purchases have been refurbished. No one can tell the difference between new and refurbished. I think it is just a way for Apple to dump inventory without slashing prices. Apple is very clever and under no circumstances to they want to reduce the value of the Mac product.
 
Well, at least Apple is being honest. They could just repackage them and sell as new like some manfacs do.

I bought a new Toshiba (checked the tape) from CC a few months ago and the screen was scratched up with fingerprints on it. Obviously not new.

A lot of times that is the retailer trying to avoid discounting the return.

Cheers,
 
"Guaranteed Apple quality"

Um, you might wanna rephrase that - all refurbished products only have 90 day warranty. Including the iPhone.

Scratch that- 90 day telephone support is what I saw. They have the 1 year limited warranty..

Straight from the Apple Store:

"Before we put a pre-owned Mac, iPod, iPhone, or Apple TV up for sale in Special Deals, it undergoes a rigorous refurbishment process to make sure it's up to Apple's tough quality standards. We back it with our standard one-year limited warranty. And you have the option of purchasing an AppleCare Protection Plan for it."
 
I purchased a refurbished iphone

I took a chance a got one of these, could'nt be happier. It did have that new
smell. Beautiful, shiny and scratch-free. The warranty is for a year, but you can also purchase apple care plan with it. To set the record straight it did not
arrive in a plan brown box but an angelic white box with all the fixin's.
Activation took a total of 3 minutes everything sycned perfectly. Buying a refurbished apple product is like buying a certified used Lexus. Some of these
phones where returned loners, that apple released to testers, media, ect.
With that warranty and for the skimish apple care too you can't go wrong
Love, love this phone!:D
 
I just ordered mine as soon as i heard that the unlocking software was coming.
For the record, refurb apple gear is INDISTINGUISHABLE from the new products. Only difference is they come in a brown box instead of the ones you are used to seeing.
I have a refurbed macbook and a refurbed imac 24". Nothing but rave reviews. No problems. Full 1 year warranty just like the new ones and at a discounts. My new (refurbed) iphone costs $100 less than if I would have picked it up at the mac store and it has free shipping. That's $100 in my pocket or that I can use for accessories like bluetooth.

Its ur money but I promise you will not be remotely unhappy with an Apple Refurbished Product.

Good Luck
 
For the record, refurb apple gear is INDISTINGUISHABLE from the new products.

Usually, and that's why I'm suspicious that sometimes it's just a way to clear out old models. But for example I bought a refurb G5 a couple of years ago that had dirt smudges and fingerprints all over it, in fact it had twice as much RAM installed as it was supposed to have. I'm also guessing that one of the problems was that its DVD drive didn't read and write consistently, because I finally got tired of installing things from other machines over my network and replaced it, and everything's fine now.

Does that mean you're taking a chance with refurb machines? Probably not, because problems can - and in this case did - occur with new machines too. However, intermittent problems like funky DVD drives ($35 and two minutes to fix, once I got around to it) are very hard for the refurbishing techs to catch, especially when you think about how fast they must be working.

In this case I saved several hundred dollars, so it was well worth it.
 
Usually, and that's why I'm suspicious that sometimes it's just a way to clear out old models. But for example I bought a refurb G5 a couple of years ago that had dirt smudges and fingerprints all over it, in fact it had twice as much RAM installed as it was supposed to have. I'm also guessing that one of the problems was that its DVD drive didn't read and write consistently, because I finally got tired of installing things from other machines over my network and replaced it, and everything's fine now.

Does that mean you're taking a chance with refurb machines? Probably not, because problems can - and in this case did - occur with new machines too. However, intermittent problems like funky DVD drives ($35 and two minutes to fix, once I got around to it) are very hard for the refurbishing techs to catch, especially when you think about how fast they must be working.

In this case I saved several hundred dollars, so it was well worth it.

You probably got an old floor model from one of the stores.
 
Can ya believe it!?

My refurb 4gb iphone shipped yesterday and today Steve drops the price by a $100. Now the 8gb refurb costs less than the refurb 4gb I just bought. I called fedex and had them do return to sender so I wouldnt have to wait for it to be delivered and be charged additional shipping charges.
 
I have no way of proving this, but I am convinced that the majority of Apple refurbished products are indeed new. I have been an Apple buyer since 1995 and about 25% of our purchases have been refurbished. No one can tell the difference between new and refurbished. I think it is just a way for Apple to dump inventory without slashing prices. Apple is very clever and under no circumstances to they want to reduce the value of the Mac product.

That was true until today.
 
Actually...

I just called and they gave me the $150 credit to my credit card (takes 3-5 business days to show). So I had Fedex undo the return to sender. Seeing that I paid more than $300 for my crackberry and the the 8gb is only $50 more I think I will give the 4gb to the Mrs. and get an 8gb for myself.

Thanks APPLE!

Now if we can only get a software only unlock....
 
My refurb 4gb iphone shipped yesterday and today Steve drops the price by a $100. Now the 8gb refurb costs less than the refurb 4gb I just bought. I called fedex and had them do return to sender so I wouldnt have to wait for it to be delivered and be charged additional shipping charges.

I'm in the same boat. I'm gonna try exchanging it at my local Apple Store when it comes in.
 
I just called and they gave me the $150 credit to my credit card (takes 3-5 business days to show). So I had Fedex undo the return to sender. Seeing that I paid more than $300 for my crackberry and the the 8gb is only $50 more I think I will give the 4gb to the Mrs. and get an 8gb for myself.

Thanks APPLE!

Now if we can only get a software only unlock....


How did you get a $150 credit? Shouldn't it only be $100? What did you say to them?
 
refurb 4 gb

Just got off the phone with Apple. They gave me a $150 credit for the refurb 4bg iphone I bought last week. They were very nice about the whole thing. I would call asap though.
 
shouldn't you guys receive only a $100 refund + taxes?

Why the extra $50?
 
I think the new refurb price on the 8GB phone is the bomb! $349.00. I'm very close to just pulling the trigger already... :D
 
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