Pro just has a newer generation of the CPU and an extra speaker, other than that its the same as the rest of the iPad but with more unused screen estate. You can use a pencil on any of the previous iPads - but most simply dont see the need to..
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Regarding this 'who is the iPad Pro for' question...
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Not true. Pencil only works with the iPad Pro, the iPP has new screen technology to support the Pencil.
Pure rubbish.
- Pencil is Pro only due to screen technology.
- Faster cpu
- 4 GB Ram (Air 2 has 2GB)
- Greater Resolution. However same ppi
- 4 speakers vs 1 speaker
- A feature many miss is that all iPads do run the same software however a lot of the creative ones allow a lot more 'layers', larger workspaces/canvas and more sounds to be used than the standard iPad, this was true of the Air 2 vs the Air 1 vs the iPad 4.
You people and your got damn analogies! Why does everything have to boil down to saying "this is just like that because of this"? I know it's supposed to make connecting the dots easier to understand so we can see parallels in different scenarios, but if anything, doesn't it confuse this situation because we are relating terms of a mobile computer to a car and really...they aren't that much alike? Grrrrrrr! I don't know man! Just thinking out loud.
Ok, let me stop you there. On what do you base your assessment? Because you think so? Because you could claim the same for a PC vs iPad Air. And I gave you an even more ridiculous comparison - a bus vs plane. Honestly, I don't even know where to begin - this whole discussion started over the question "Who the iPad Pro is for". And even if iPad Pro's only advantage was that you can do art a little bit faster - even if that was the only thing - the answer would still be perfectly clear: it's for artists, because shaving off even a little bit of time in a professional work is worth the investment. But that's not even the case - you just can't do any precise work on previous iPads in a reasonable amount of time comparable to industry standard tools. You can't. Sure, some people found a way to create art - you know, some people made great art on their phones too in Procreate Pocket. Does that make a phone an artist's tool? You could ask - hey, who's this Wacom Cintiq for - when you can't do anything on it that you can't do on a phone - because I've seen people create art on a phone.
So, let me repeat your question - on what do you base your claim that the pencil doesn't make the iPad Pro do anything more than the iPad Air can do? I base mine on my personal experience (owned the Air and the best styluses for it - Wacom Intuos Creative Stylus, Adonit Jot Touch, 53's Pencil), on the experience of the studio I work in and on the experience of professional artists I follow on social networks. Everything there points to the fact that for creatives, the Apple Pencil + iPad Pro is a game-changer. You claim it's practically the same as previous iPads because....?
No one said you were stupid and I have no idea what your financial situation is. I just meant it in a way that there is a slight chance you're trolling, using that avatar on a forum like this. It could also mean you have some preconceived issues with Apple. But you're right, I withdraw this part of the comment. Focus on the question above, please.
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Hey, the analogy is not perfect. From the beginning it was meant to illustrate that if you claim an iPad Air can do everything an iPad Pro can and ignore the Pencil, you could claim almost everything - even that a bus can do everything a plane can, because they both transport passengers around.
And your comparison is a bit off too - it's not just a more luxurious and comfortable to use, the ability to create precise works of art and design is unique to the iPad Pro. So, I guess, it's like a hover limo that can fly
But let's stop with the analogies, they're not the point of the discussion. 
Jeez. You really just must not know how much more advanced a plane is from a bus. My entire point. Not going to argue it anymore. Again, I understand that the Pencil is great for artists, but it just isn't the difference between a plane and a bus, especially if the difference between a tablet and PC in 2010 is a truck and a car.
I didn't say you specifically called me any of those things. I said I get called that a lot. I like the picture. That's why I use it.
My iPad Pro is a very nice device.
I bought it for the same reason I bought my iPad Mini 4 and iPad Air 2 for, the experience. As casual content consumption devices they're ideal. I think the "who it's for" question is silly. Who cares? I do believe that the question may have been asked because unlike iPad mini that came well after Android tablets in 7" and 8" sizes were already a category. No such category existed for the IPP.
That said, I absolutely love my Apple laptops and have for years. Mission critical to both my work and personal use, I'll never use any tablet in place of my laptops. But that's just my preference. I can fully understand why some find a tablet better for them.
That's the beauty of choices...
Kids have been using pencils on their iPad 4s since before the IPP was even thought of - works fine.
Does the dumb pencil have pressure sensors? No!
Those are called stylus. Apple Pencil only works with the iPad Pro.
Call them turkey legs or roller skates if you wish, they do the same thing (excluding pressure)..
Pencil is too heavy vs MS version and no eraser.. Did apple copy samsung as they have had the pencil for a while?
Pretty much agree with this review on the IPP. I also share the view of "who" too.
Pencil is too heavy vs MS version and no eraser.. Did apple copy samsung as they have had the pencil for a while?
Pretty much agree with this review on the IPP. I also share the view of "who" too.
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Somebody post a summary of this video please. I'm hard of hearing so I can't follow online videos.
TLDW: It's ok but I'm gonna have a 20 minute video just to tell you I don't like it
TLDW -- that's great! We have to spread that, lol. Aside from not being able to make out what is said in videos, it usually takes much longer to watch a video than read a summary or transcript. I really wish videos would be limited to showing something that has to be visualized. People holding up an iPad and saying "This is heavy..." doesn't give me any more info than just reading, "the iPad pro is heavy."
I just think it's courteous to post a summary of videos instead of just throwing up a link. If you can't bother to do that, why would people want to bother spending time watching a video that may or may not be worth their time?
Reviewers mostly consider their own job (writing blogs, documents and markdown stuff) the only true measure of a pro device. They say things like "the Pencil is nice, but it is only of use to people who rely on styluses". That's like me saying, you know, this "guitar" thing is nice, but only if you want to play music, so basically, who is it really for?
Then there are others who compare it to the Surface and think the Surface stylus is better because it has an eraser. They never go into things like precision, pressure curve, latency.
On the other side, there are a few reviews done by people who actually create art and design stuff. They never ask the question "who's it for". Never. So, draw (pun intended) your own conclusions.
Then there are others who compare it to the Surface and think the Surface stylus is better because it has an eraser. They never go into things like precision, pressure curve, latency.
On the other side, there are a few reviews done by people who actually create art and design stuff. They never ask the question "who's it for". Never. So, draw (pun intended) your own conclusions.
Ya know...in my entire 31 years of life, that might be the first time I've ever seen anyone write pun intended. Every other time, the person always makes these obvious puns on purpose and then ends it with "no pun intended" like we were born yesterday and don't know any better. I always scream at the tv "Are you kidding me? You just made 100 puns in 2 sentences and you think I'll believe it wasn't intended?! You're looking to get your teeth knocked in"
Ok...so um...what were we talking about? Reviewers suck. Yeah! Which is why whenever I need help in deciding if a movie is worth watching, I always look to user reviews. Professional reviewers always have this need to look overly smart when making their reviews. In a sense, can ya blame 'em? Their entire job relies on their credibility. If a movie reviewer actually admitted to liking a movie that the general consensus says was a piece of crap, it would look like the reviewer has poor taste.
The general vibe: surface is ok but you really have to want a PC to get one. The Apple pencil is so much better than your general "stylus" that the pros out weigh the con of not having an "eraser".
Because the reviews/review might not be my view and lots of good pieces of info in the video that people on both sides will agree with... or not as the case maybe.
But i'll indulge you,
Summary would be IPP is for those just playing and not using it for real work, no real support in any of the main picture apps. Side by side doesnt work. Screen angle is not perfect and lacks adjustment. Screen doesnt scale, lots of waste. MBP would be a better option, cost is around the same, better full feature apps, better performance, same or better battery life and weight neutral. Also comments on Steves job view that you should never ergonomically have to reach across the keyboard - but now you do.
Big, heavy, floppy and not very stable
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Soooooooooo how is this a problem? I can tell you coming from a Air 2, while the ipp does everything that the air does it does these things in a more efficient manner. The optimizing apps and multitasking take it to the "pro" level in my opinion and considering my opinion is what matters when it comes to my purchases I'd have to say that this thing is pretty PRO!!!!
[doublepost=1454868439][/doublepost]Once all these software related ipp pro haters "issues" are resolved it'll be funny looking back at this thread and rereading all the negative posts. Meanwhile the negative posters will be posting their anticipation on the "Waiting for my IPP 3" thread in a couple years.
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Thanks. Does she define "real work"? "Floppy and not stable" -- was that the Smart Keyboard?
As for what Steve Jobs said, one year, he scoffed at the idea of people watching videos on a tiny iPod screen. Next year, he was selling the video iPod. Another year he scoffed at the idea of selling ebooks, saying people didn't read anymore. Next year, he was hawking the iBook store. I'm sure he would have said the Smart Keyboard was the best thing ever, without blinking an eye.
I'm watching the review right now. She is a perfect example of the business of being a reviewer. She reviewed the iPad...before even trying out the smart keyboard and Apple pencil? Now I wouldn't accuse this person of jumping to conclusions before properly using a product...but Jesus man! She couldn't even review it with the main selling products it's being sold with (pencil and keyboard ) because she wanted to get out the review so fast? Ugh...
Another highlight is where she talks about how expensive the iPad is and then compares it to the $1500 model surface book. Face...Palm. The "keyboard being floppy" is her using the Logitech create. You didn't miss much skipping this review
Huh, that's interesting. With the Logitech Create being so heavy, you'd think it'd at least be stable.
The "pro" moniker for the iPad Pro is more akin to that of the MacBook Pro in that it signifies more features and power than the regular line, but in a more consumer-friendly way.
Think about it—the 15" rMBP is nothing more than the 13" rMBP with a bigger screen, and more powerful cpu & gpu. Yet, it's heralded as the machine of choice for many professionals over the 13".
Just the same, the iPad Pro, in essence, is nothing more than a bigger and more powerful iPad. That, by itself, is a reason for many professionals to choose the iPad Pro over the other iPads. Likewise, many non-professional consumers may prefer the iPad Pro because it simply fits their preferences better.
I think the iPad Pro is really for whomever wanted those extra features over the iPad Air 2. It doesn't necessarily have to be only for professionals just because it is a "pro" model.
Think about it—the 15" rMBP is nothing more than the 13" rMBP with a bigger screen, and more powerful cpu & gpu. Yet, it's heralded as the machine of choice for many professionals over the 13".
Just the same, the iPad Pro, in essence, is nothing more than a bigger and more powerful iPad. That, by itself, is a reason for many professionals to choose the iPad Pro over the other iPads. Likewise, many non-professional consumers may prefer the iPad Pro because it simply fits their preferences better.
I think the iPad Pro is really for whomever wanted those extra features over the iPad Air 2. It doesn't necessarily have to be only for professionals just because it is a "pro" model.
Nailed it. If you need anymore evidence of that, just look at how they borrowed the naming scheme from the MacBook Air. iPad Air. You could even say iPad mini borrows from Mac mini. It's the same distinction